Fight for Ghost Rights (Featuring Kim and Ket)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio
and Doctor John Paul LLC.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Black Stuffin Podcast,
where all the intersections of identity are celebrated. I'm one
of your hosts, John, also known as Doctor John Paul.
And while we are all running on fumes because we
are tired of living in America, I just wanted to say,
I'm grateful to see another day.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
How are you, Joho? How's everything over there in your world?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Girl?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
First of all, hey, fam, it's spooky girl, It's booky girl,
Slash Score, Brave, bust down, Joho or Jordan's.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I have to.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Asked, is getting older just complaining that it's too cold
for one day and then too hots? Yah?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is there ever? Whether that just feels good?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Also today today I realized, like no, I actually am thirty,
and I cannot operate the way I used to operate
when I was in my twenties.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
And I was insane that.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I know, and I've been not listening. So I'm like, no, John, Like,
that's that's not me. That's not who I am. It
is who I am. Unfortunately, because why I go at
four o'clock and when I wake up at nine forty five,
I was like, oh my god, why am I up
right now? There's a shower to get here, girl, it's
a show. To open the computer. I had to take
my morning pills, I said. I said, way, girl, I

(01:22):
ain't take my morning pills first.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, my morning pills wait till you hit forty, because
then that totally everything else changes once you get I'm
I'm right on the cusps be forty. And there are
days where I literally look at the clock and I'm like,
do I really have to do this another day? Do
I really have to do another day? But then I
do it, and then I'd be happy that I did it,
and then I'd be so happy. So I definitely want
to say this real quick before we actually jump into

(01:47):
the show. One I will I will say thank you
to everybody who has been sending both of us love,
whether it be on the road or whether it be
I send a video to Joho of someone who was
I don't know, did you even watched that video, girl, because.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
You can go on it.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Girl, I did not. Oh my god, what.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I sent you a video? So anyway, after this recording,
you need to watch the video.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
There was someone at my bookstop who sent you a
special message and I sent it to you because they
were They were like, can you send this to Johan?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
And I was like that, so one one about that.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I want to say that, but I also want to
say shout out to the guy who was sitting next
to me when I was coming back. I was actually
coming back from Where was I coming back from?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Shit?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I have no idea where was I at last? I
think I was, Oh, I was in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I was coming back from Dallas and I was sitting
in As soon as I walked on the plane, he
like sat next to me and he like, you know
some people you like, you wonder like what the fuck
are they staring at? He was giving me that like
look like he knew me. But I was like, why
what are you looking at? And then he turned and
he was like you that podcast, nigga?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And And I was like wait, I was like how
do you?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
How do I He was like, I was like, how
do you know?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
And he was like I know you. He was like,
I'm seeing I've seen your podcast. He's like, I don't
know where I've seen it, but I know that it's
a big podcast.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
He was like you're on iHeart and.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
He literally was clocking my tea and I was okay, okay.
I was like, you better know, so shout out to
the dolls who know us.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
And you know and yes, because let me tell you
so because right now I'm in San Francisco and I
went to his book so called Fabulous of Books in
the castro Yes, and I saw your book front and
center and I went to buy it and they're like,
oh my god. They were like to buy it. And
the bs they're just here last week. They're so good.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Do you like know that?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
And I was like I was. I was like yeah,
you could say I know them and they're like right.
I was like, oh, I'm in the acknowledgements right here
and they're like yeah, and they're like, oh, you're on
the show.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I was like, yeah, you're a.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Class yes, and you are my sister of the show.
So just handy wad just wanted to say shout out
to the doll who clocked my tea. And I'm so
grateful and so thankful because that was a very the
turbulence getting out of as salt Lake said, he was awful,
but he was really cool and We talked pretty much
the entire time, so shout out to him anyway. All

(04:09):
that to be said, it is hot, and it is
getting hotter, and it's also getting a little spooky and
scary around here. Was that being said, We are in
foot treat because we're in a foursome.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Please do it.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
With two friends who we were on their show last
year and it was absolutely a fantastic time. And we're
gonna jump into kind of a little midsummer scary situation
right this little scary scary kind of like woo spooky season.
It's coming a little bit early, y'all, but we're gonna
jump into our horror back and we are going to
invite them in. These two queens run their own podcasts

(04:47):
where they explore horror films and figure out whether or
not they survive. Are they the final girls? Please join
us in welcoming the host Kim and Kat stay alive?
Maybe Kim and Ken? How are y'all?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Baby? Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
Gosh been, we've been wanting come on your show for
a minute. We're so excited to be here.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, it's been. I'm really excited because I will say this.
Me and Jojo talk about horror here and there on
the show. But I'm like really excited, Like I've been
looking forward to this all week because people, a lot
of people do know I write horror, but I'm also
very into horror, and so having like a horror themed
podcast like episode, it's everything, and I'm sure like we
can probably we will probably rerun it in October because

(05:33):
obviously Halloween. But with that being said, I'm just really
really excited that y'all are here and that we were
able to make it happen.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
So say yeah, and I.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
Will say in honor of things that are a little
bit spooky, we are recording on the summer Solstice today.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
We are.

Speaker 7 (05:58):
Associate witches with yu though we are, we are much
more than spookies.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
But it is baby, we got the maginess.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I woke up this morning and in my head it
was like doo do do do do intro?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I don't know had that in my hand when I.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
We're so happy to have all horror girlies in these streets.
I won't keep our first segment fun with our still here.
It's always gonna give our flowers to our girl Sasha
Campbell for us still here, Cement, and I think this
is a phrase for this question. Follow us today. So
if you were in a horror film, what would be
your weapon of survival? We're still here at the end,

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so I'll start Kim John for me. This sounds wild, y'all,
but I feel like I eat the little staff or
a lance like you know, you know, long ass is
a little short at the end.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I did martial arts when I was younger.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I was a.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Brown and I did weapons swinging with a long stick, crawl.
I was out here, that's hot. I like I was
in kolor Guard, trolling ship around stuff like.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You're giving the show.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Okay, listen, give me some bitches up with the tomatoes,
like damn.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I feel like I will find a little staff. I
follow father spirits. I would make a little shank attached
on via some tape and then bitches.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's how I know that's right. I know that's right.
What about y'all?

Speaker 7 (07:38):
Can you want to go first? Do you want me
to go first?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (07:41):
Well I have two kind of separate answers. One I'm
just like, one is my dream kill, oh, my dreamway
to kill someone, which like obviously everyone has, and.

Speaker 7 (07:52):
Of course I mean like it's like one zodio, what's
your and how do.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
You want to kill someone?

Speaker 8 (08:00):
But it's like when okay, you're like sitting at a bar,
but then you grab a bottle and you break it
and then stab them. Okay, stream killed, but that's not
like weapon for the apocalypse, you know, or anything.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
Exactly.

Speaker 8 (08:17):
So I have to go with my just because it's
my signature sound, which is the chainsaw.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I'll be transparent and saying. And
I don't know if this is epigenetics. So somewhere in
my lineage, a black person in my history probably had
some type of situation with a chainsaw. But I am
terrified a chainsaws. I don't know why the sound scares

(08:46):
the ship And maybe it's because I was I was
really young when I first saw chainsaw massacre.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, it probably is. I think it may have sund
you that.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
But I'm oh the chainsaw anytime, even at like horror nights,
when I hear it, I immediately freeze, so terrifying.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
Really scared nights.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
I know they take the chain off, but in your ear.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
I'm also just like, okay, you took the chain off,
but like, did you take the chain off?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right right.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I've been moved because I will punch people and you
know it's not.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
And they're like, no content with the performers is a
bit in my ear with a damn chain right right
to be here, But.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
You signed up to.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
So I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, the weekend Mays last year is one of the
ones that almost got me in trouble because I almost
hit a performer.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
But yeah, anyway, how about you?

Speaker 7 (09:45):
Okay. So I have a lot of fun weapons, and
I also know that Kim is going to have a chainsaw.
And one of the ways that I know I'm going
to stay live is because Kim and I are a
team and I will not leave her side. We have
skills that really compliment each other. So like facts, this
bitch ain't going no where. She's going to be right
next to me. I felt like I really needed a

(10:08):
weapon that could multitask because I needed to make sure
that I could fend off corporeal human horrors but also
potentially be ready for some supernatural horrors. So what I
have chosen is an axe with a whittled sharp point
at the bottom, so I can use it as a

(10:29):
blunt object if I.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Don't want to like axon.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
I can use it as an axe sharp and I
can also use the bottom of it to stake vampires.
Ye yes, Swiss army knife.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, she's thought about.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
I very much thought about it. And I've also like
very much thought about like how Kim is intricately tied
to my survival plan. We have just been doing this
for so long that we have both gotten each other
out of situations that the other was not necessarily equipped for,
and you were only alive because the other one was there,
so become as a package deal for sure.

Speaker 9 (11:11):
Yeah, that's actually that's actually really yeah, you know, And
so it's funny because even in my head I have
not put together like if the world was to go
the walking Dead route, who would I initially want to
keep in my my circle?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
And so that's actually a really good thing to think about.
I mean, of course, joho would Joho, I know, because
I know you're asking cook. So that's the thing I
was for is because I know that you like you
also are good with like I feel. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, so I'm definitely would keep me alive in

(11:48):
that sense. I am very clumsy. So all of these
things sound very deadly to me in the sense of
I'd probably end up killing myself with one.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Of them, very.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Very very clumsy.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
But I had said the only one that I had
thought about, because you know, my girl said lance and
then y'all said, you know, an axe and all of
that knives and knives don't really do it. I said
some type of bazooka. And the only reason why I
said bazooka is because I know a gun can't stop
a vampire, but right, but like a bazooka can. Right,

(12:22):
So like if you like, for instance, if you blow
them up, they like they fire.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
Pieces right right, I mean have to be detached from
their body, So like that is important. I'm not gonna
lie that. Now you told us how clumsy you are.

Speaker 8 (12:36):
I'm a little concerned about that.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
You want to go, I don't know where to get
a gun, but.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Like you could kill us all that accident.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
I was about to be like, I was about to
be like, we need to all make sure we're like standing.

Speaker 10 (12:58):
Behind that, y'all. Yeah, so you can be the keeper
of the amen.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Amen, Yes, yes, I'll be the lady who kept the
guns and stuff organized. Yeah before she like you uh huh, yeah, yeah,
but I'm definitely if y'all can't figure it out.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm a huge Walking Dead fan.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So a lot of this kind of goes into that
world for me of like what would I need to
be doing?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Who would I be?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's actually a really good question of like if you
are into that show, Like I don't know what character
I would be, but I'm very much that that mind,
that mindful person of like what is going to be
the thing to actually do the kill?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Like even have any of you seene sinners? Yeah, I
don't want to spoil.

Speaker 11 (13:41):
Anything, Okay, so not Yeah, So I've seen it three
times already, and so there's a scene and I won't
say what or how, but there's a scene with a
what do they call those things where you pull the
little thing you throw it.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
And I'll.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yea yeah, but I was gonna say grenade is also
another one that like between I was like bazooka or grenade,
one of them would be one of the things that
I would like to just throw it and just blow
air thing up to make sure, you know, I take
care of business. But anyway, all that to be said,
this is really fun and this is gonna be I
feel like this is a great segue into our next segment.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
So we're gonna take a quick break.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
And now that we have decided that we are the
final girl in every movie, we got to make sure
that we pay our bills before they turn off the
night on this and then we'd be crawling in the
dark and be scary some of the dolls do. With
that being said, we're gonna take a break. We'll be
back in a second. All right, y'all, we are back

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my spooky ookies, and I want to start our conversation.
And you know, as you all know, me and Joho
have talked about all of our loves of scary things.
We've gone, We've talked about going to horror nights, We've
talked about our favorite scary movies. We've talked about all
of these things. But really with this conversation, you know,
for this category, is we're really gonna get into kind
of this notion of like what is horror? How do

(15:12):
we feel about it? What are some of the tropes
and things that we've like we would love to see change,
blah blah blah blah blah. And So for those of
you who don't know, I was late to the party
when it came to scary things because obviously the way
I grew up. My mom even now, you know, she
knows that I love horror, but she's like, Ooh, don't
talk about that, don't bring that into this household. I
don't want to hear nothing about that. My family is

(15:35):
very we don't want to know demons in here, and
I'm like demons, Like whatever, girl. I love horror because
I just think it's fun. I think it's a very
like I love that feeling of like the chase and
knowing it's like faith, but it's also real. I don't know,
it's really really fun. So with that being said, you know,
now knowing that my favorite films are jeepers, creepers, a

(15:56):
lot of people know this about me. I'm a huge,
huge Juju ju Ju's. I'm actually wearing an insidious shirt
for that reason. I love the insidious world. Annabelle, Jeepers, Creepers,
all of those things are my goal to comfort. Movies
don't acts. I do not know why, but I will
cut those on and it literally brings me so much
joy when I.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Need to reset.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
So I wanted to ask y'all, where did your love
of horror films come from and and and where did
it start? Like what draws you to them? Kim Marquet,
You can start whenever you want to, whoever wants to start.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
Yeah. So first of all, we did a whole Insidious
May Journey last year. We did like all of the
Insidious ones one by one by one. It was so fun.
So I actually my parents kind of got me into
horror movies. And it was weird because like they were
weirdly strict about what I could watch on TV, Like

(16:54):
like I couldn't watch nine O two one oh, but
they were like, let's watch the Exorcist.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Wait.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
Yeah, so like yeah, so you know, it was just
like but I think that they felt like there was
like an artistry to like it was a classic.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
You know.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
So it was like they were and my dad when
we would vacation in Cape cod there were these beautiful
thunderstorms in the summer and he'd be like, Okay, let's
turn out all the lights, light some candles, and I'm
going to read you some terrifying Edgar Allan Poe like
he you know that kind of thing, but like don't
watch Melrose Place. Right, Yeah, it was it was wild.

(17:33):
And then I think as a little little girl, I
just always wanted to be an actress, and I think
horror movies like getting to experience like the tippy top
of human emotion. I was just like, bring it, bring it.
I just want to like be a hundred person in
my body, in my feels like it just it felt

(17:55):
it felt so exciting what those actors and actresses got
to do. So that's that's sort of where it started
for me.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
M hmmm hmm. I love it.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah, for excuse me.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
For me, it started I think with books, like you're
doing the Goosebumps the earlier.

Speaker 7 (18:14):
Yeah, loved it.

Speaker 8 (18:18):
And then I started reading the Christopher Pike books. I
don't know if you read those ever. That was like
the teenage hor you know, like it was like the
more grown up and so it really started with books,
and then I watched it like the original.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
The original.

Speaker 8 (18:35):
I watched that, yeah, which is so funny because if
you watch it now, have you watched it anytime recently?

Speaker 7 (18:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
We did rewatch the older one.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
In nineties TV movies.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
Yeah, but it was someone hilarious. Yeah, it was literally
a TV movie, but it was this thing I'd ever
seen in my life. Yeah, yeah, For me, it's like
all that like like you said, like the excitement and
like the thrill. It's like white people like roller coasters

(19:10):
and stuff, you know, like yeah, love like the jump scare.
I like some people are like not into that.

Speaker 7 (19:16):
I love a jump scare.

Speaker 8 (19:17):
I love the tension of like will be a jump scare. Ye,
So I think just like that excitement and then usually
like the mystery too, is like really what draws me in.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
It's really a good point because I think a lot
like a lot of horror films they rely on like
really they were like multiple like forms of tension building
right like you hear it in music you see and pacing,
and I think a lot of like we're drawn to
them because it gives us a chance to feel something different,
right like we you know, we like we like we
want to like we want to feel something to something that.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
We come to the movie and it's like a safe
place to.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Feel all the like sometimes like nothing that's better than
being terrified with like a group of people, like and
in the control environment.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
It does feel good.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
I feel like horror, you know, while scary right often
also explores really powerful themes like fighting death or your
past or grieving like every saw not a Station Found
the Station Bloodlines, and I loved that. I thought it
was like one of the best foundation movies, like in
the in the franchise, and you know, I thought this,
there's this through line and the whole franchise right about

(20:34):
accepting death as a part of life. It does that
in really gruesome ways, like the Death and this last movie.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I was like this. I was like, this is a
raming girl.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
That's so good, crazy, and you know, but I feel
like I feel like that, that's like I notice that,
like like death is.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Never pretty, but it's real.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
And so I'm curious, like what you might think about
the these horror films and even they might tie into identity.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
Well, yeah, I mean themes are It's gonna sound so vague,
but I mean it, like, themes are everything in a
horror movie.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Ye.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
And one of the things that really pisses me off
is how horror movies are seen as sort of this
like lesser art form. I think that that probably comes
from sort of like the low budget eighty slasher films
that we all saw, which is like, yeah, they're not
necessarily like cinematic masterpieces, but we've really moved beyond that.

(21:34):
And I think that the themes that horror movies are
now exploring is one because I think the horror community
has demanded it, like they're like, we know why we're here,
and we want you to keep stepping it up with
the horror movies that you make. And I think it
is a safe place to explore your take on how

(21:59):
you feel about certain things, and I think it helps
us process things. Kim, I think you said it where
it's like it's a safe space to experience those emotions
and like the only reason that Kim and I have
a full zombie apocalypse game plan is because we've been
able to explore it horror films. And yeah, I don't

(22:24):
think I don't think horror films exist without themes, right.

Speaker 8 (22:28):
And I agree, like it's the genre is able to
do something that I think some other genres aren't able
to do as well, where it's similar to a fable,
where it can give like it can speak on social
commentary and politics and different things, but it doesn't have
to like hit you over the head with it.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
It's coming in like a tail versus like this is
the message that I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
You know right right right.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
Makes people think and I think like the more and
more modern day ones are that are coming out, and
especially I think it highlights how much we need like
diverse filmmakers. Yeah, that clearly make so much of a
difference because interestingly, Final Girls, you know what I mean, Like, like,
women survive so much at the end of horror movies,

(23:18):
but they're so often made by men and the eighties
and things like that that it's like it's final Girls
through the male gaze. It's not whereas movies like I
Love I never know how to say her name, but
core Lifefargite we got Corelife. Yeah, she just did the substance,
but she also yeah Revenge.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
Oh so like she like there's I feel like when
it's like a diverse filmmaker basically so this is a woman,
there's two different things that can happen, where like, well,
many things can happen, but like core lifefargit is so
good at being like I'm gonna fucking tell you what it.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
Is like to be a woman.

Speaker 8 (23:59):
Yeah, And in the movie Revenge.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
It's so intense.

Speaker 8 (24:03):
I don't know you've seen it, but like I think
to show you what it feels like to be raped
like you are in it. It is happening, yeah, and
obviously everyone's experience is different, but it is so fucking
intense and avenge all the feelings that come afterwards, and yeah,
it's so good.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
And then same thing with the substance.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
This is what it feels like to be a.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
Woman into these beauty standards, aging.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
Like she like throws you inside it versus then like
other people. I don't know if you've seen the movie Lyle,
it's like super small in being it's like modern day
Rosemary's Baby kind of, and so Gabby Hoffman's in it,
and she's like in a lesbian relationship but it's Rosemary's
Baby and so like the filmmaker is a woman. But

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Stuart Thorndyke and I remember like when we did it,
we like read an interview or something with her and
she was like, I thought I'd be interesting to make
a genre film with a lesbian couple where the story
wasn't about how hard it is to be gay, right right,
Like it just it's just representation. So it's like it
can go either way where you're like you can be
like this is what the story is about. And I'm

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going to show someone who doesn't live in this body,
like what it is like to live in this fucking body.
Or you could just be like, Hi, this is just
a person living their life and it has nothing to
do with the story at all, but it's still representation.
So I just think, like horror, like I think, you know,
ultimately diverse filmmaking and all genres needs that, But like

(25:30):
I think, horror is really such an open space.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
For it and so good at it in a way
I love.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna say to your point.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
So I watched, As you all know, I've been on
the road and I've been flying a lot, and so
I downloaded and watched Woman in the Yard. And right
after I was done with Woman in the Yard. I
don't know if if you've seen it or if you're
familiar with it. Yeah, literally, it's it's new ish. It
came out I think around maybe September or October. No lies,
it came out little Lady than that.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
But it's been. It's been.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
It's been like a trailer and then nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah, and I'll be transparent.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
It did not get supported by Universal at all, but
it honestly and I don't know why, but I will
say this. I remember I saw and I thought it
was going to be a really truly, truly creepy film,
and it is.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
There.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
There's elements of that that scary horror of like what
what is really going on here? And obviously they're building
the tension, but it's a story about mental about mental
health and this idea of you know, they said it,
and all of it is around a black family and
you're watching mental health impact every single person in the role.

(26:38):
And it was so it was so I'm very glad
I purchased it. I I genuinely love when people can
subvert horror with this this message that I think is
is larger than this, this idea of like, oh, mental
health is scary for everybody, but when you drop a
black family into it, and a black family who doesn't
want to talk about mental health and this idea of ideation,

(27:01):
I was like, oh my god, this is so smart,
this is so smart. And so I was like I'm
sitting there on the plane crying because this is it's
just it's a really good film. It's it's creepy, it's eerie,
but at the same time it has such a good message,
and I think that's the thing for me that really
draws me into a lot of horror films.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's like when you can really I mean even thinking.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
About so like I mean what we talked about it right,
Insidious and I know you said you I'm actually really
excited to go back and listen to all of those
because a lot of people don't know this about me,
But I always told myself if I ever sold a film,
the first person that I would want to tap is
James Wand because I wouldn't want him to have anything
to do with anything that I'm working on, because I
think he is the when you talk about like a

(27:43):
current horror girl who gets it, James is that girl
for me. Like a lot of other girls do it good, right,
But I feel like James just he encapsulates creepy so well.
And I know I can go on for hours about
how good it is. But I think with Insidious, it's
the same thing. Right, You're watching this family have so
many issues with one another, and you know, with the

(28:04):
loss of their children, this baby that you know they
don't want, they don't want to, they don't really want
to deal with this idea that she lost a child
before the two children she had came into the world,
and so I think, you know, as you're as you're
watching it, especially when you start to get into Insidious
two and three, you're like, oh, that's why this is
such a big issue. This is why these demons are

(28:25):
coming after the husband. Okay, I get it right, and
it just it's it's just the world is done so well.
So anyway, all that to be said, you know, I
will say this, I think I don't know, have you
all watched Companion on Max? We feel okay, so Companion
joho if you have not watched. I went into Companion

(28:47):
not knowing anything about the film, so I downloaded it
because it's kind of like I need something new to watch,
and it looked new and it looked good, and so
I watched it and I was blown away at how
good and how well ly done that film.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Was the only tidbit that I had was I wish there.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Was moment black girl see it.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I wish there was more black people in it.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But anyway, all that to be said, that's a whole
other conversation for a different day. But I will say
when we were on your show, I know, we talked
a lot about characters that made us, that made us
think about what we call white girl decisions, right, characters
who do silly things and films, And like you said,
I think it kind of goes back to that original
point you made ked about the white male gaze rite,

(29:31):
this notion of white male directors who are creating these
these scenarios for these women in these films and not
really understanding what it's like to be a woman, or
to be a black woman, or to even be you know,
different in this world, right, you know, in terms of survival.
So you know, as we know, these movies explore tropes
that sometimes become tired black people dying first, the white

(29:52):
girl making dumb decisions, et cetera, et cetera. But I
definitely would love to ask, you know, are there any
good horror or you know, are there any good horror
tropes that you feel like are done well or are
there any tropes that you think that we need to
like move past or that we need to get we
need to get away from if that makes sense.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
Well, I mean, I loved this question because one of
the things that I've learned about the horror community sort
of being now like intimately involved in it is they
don't fuck around, like there is a demand for reinvention constantly.
So there's an appreciation for like, as I said, like

(30:35):
the classics, Like there are people that love sort of
the cheesy eighties slasher, but there is also like, if
you make a movie that doesn't deliver to its community,
the community absolutely just tars and feathers you, which is
an issue to an extent, but it also means that

(30:57):
they are demanding that you think be on certain tropes.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I don't want to cut you off, but if if
you all have not been following, or if you weren't familiar,
that they slash them conversation, I think is a really
good place to start with this.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh watch that film. I have not followed a lot.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Of talking about it.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, they ate that film.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And then I also say to the remake to what
is uh pet Cemetery was also one. I watched people
tore that film up but go off.

Speaker 7 (31:28):
Yeah, And so I think that there are you know,
there's still classics being made, like things where it's like
I want to go to the movie and I want
to I want to you know know what I'm going into.
I want to see this this, this, and this, Those
are great too, Like I love that, but I do
really tend to gravitate towards the ones that completely subvert
expectations or they're telling a story in a way that

(31:50):
I'm like, I don't know how y'all are going to
do this, Like what how in the world is this
going to One of the ones that I loved was
Late Night with the Devil.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yes, so good.

Speaker 7 (31:59):
Because the the story device that they used, like this
is happening on live television, Like I was very much like,
I don't even know how you're going to construct this,
Like I don't know how you are going to make
this a linear story that makes sense, and goddamn it
if they didn't do it, Like it was so interesting

(32:21):
the way they chose to tell this story. And I
think it's a story that we've seen one hundred bajillion times.
They were like, yeah, but you've never seen it told
this way, which I loved, So I thought that was
that was really great.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
And shout out to them not killing off the black character.
I was really happy she lived.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I was really happy. Yeah, yes, I was really happy
about that.

Speaker 7 (32:48):
What about you, Kim?

Speaker 8 (32:51):
Just some of the ones I was thinking about was
the tragedy Girls that one, because that's like the women
are the serial killers or they're like girls. It's like
high schoo I mean, it's a lot of like high
school social media bitchiness and.

Speaker 7 (33:03):
Things like that.

Speaker 8 (33:03):
It's like very funny, you know, it's like much like
lighter but just like having like the female leads as
the killers. And then also like Barbarian, great leading you
down the path that you know and you expect, I know,
and then it's a completely different movie.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
And also the final girl there is a is a
black woman.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, yeah, m hm, you'd love to see it.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah. Barbarian was a very interesting because I because I
got halfway through to I was like exactly, yeah, it
was like this is good.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
Yeah, I'm like, but it was I was like, oh,
this is good.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
This is real good.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I'm never mad when they put over I don't
know his name, but when they put him in movies.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
Just los gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I think it's so I think a great actor knows
his job.

Speaker 7 (34:01):
I know what you want me to do, and he's
just like that's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to
deliver on exactly what you need me to be I
know what my brand is, and here I am.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yes, every time he always delivers the same. It's like
the father in Crumpus. I don't know his name either.
I'm real bad with Adam Scott. Yes, he's another one.
Whenever you see him in the film, especially in a
horror film, you know exactly what you're getting, you know
exactly what he's going to give. It's always this, this,
he like. He's another really good actor in my opinion.

(34:31):
But all that to be said, yes, I'm very much
in that mind that, yes, you all nailed it.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I will say this too, and then you know, I
know we need to move on, but I will say
I'm also very happy that we're starting to see more
women slash black women in lead roles for scary like
for horror franchises or for him like. And I know
that that was a critique that everyone had of the
new Exorcist movie, right, Everyone was like, oh, this is
but I was like, this is perfect, Like this is
exactly what I wanted to see out of out of

(35:01):
a film like this, right, And it's cool that, you know,
I know they're having a whole bunch of issues with
doing the second iteration of that. But I'm very much
excited to see what it's going to look like because
I know that the director said, this is the vision,
this is the idea, and it's going to be inclusive,
and y'all just want to deal with it.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
So, yeah, did you see the Deliverance? Yeah, Deliverance, uh huh.
We did an episode of that, and I thought that
was an example of taking real life horror and interweaving
it with horror like with our with with the the
ghosts and ghules and things like that, but also being like, uh,

(35:42):
weaving it in with like the daily, actual real life
horrors that people you know, have to deal with in
our are our world.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah yeah, m hmmmm yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
So I'm curious to ask y'all. So okay, So y'all
are saying things I'm just like, make me think about
so much? Excuse me? Was my throw girl? Okay?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
At that party? He was doing this.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I love it, but honestly too much.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
So okay, So last question I have for y'all is
what is the scariest I ever watched and said?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Girl, I'm doing that again.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Mm hmm, yeah, no, I'm good on that again. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:35):
Uh, mine was surprising Kim. I don't think you're going
to expect what I'm going to say. But Kim told
me a movie early on in our uh in our
podcasting life, and I did not know that I was
like a claustrophobic person or someone that had an issue

(36:57):
with like being trapped or small spaces. But Kim sent
me into a full mental breakdown within an episode when
she was telling me forty seven meters down.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Oh yes, and.

Speaker 12 (37:12):
Girl it it unlocked something in me where I was
just like, okay, so like now my my nightmares are
like pre forty seven meters down and post forty seven
meters down and.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Hold on, pop up? Is that the one I'm sure
I've seen it? Is that the one with the caves?
Or is that the one with hold that thought?

Speaker 7 (37:35):
So this is the one with the cage. But what's
so funny is it then was reiterated that I'm terrified
of small spaces that I can't get out of with
the dissent, which is the one you're talking.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
About oka caves.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
Okay, I the idea of my shoulders being pinned and
not being able to move is yeah, like makes me
love like I cannot deal.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
So thank you to.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Kim for.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
About myself.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, there's a film, so I don't know, I'm I'm
I'm drawing a blank of the name of it. But
there's these people who go like scuba diving in this
foreign country.

Speaker 8 (38:12):
That's forty seven meters down to on cage.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Oh okay, on cage, Okay, okay, yeah, and then yeah,
and then the creepy people in the difference they don't know, yes,
taking them out. Yeah, okay, that's what I'm thinking about, Okay,
because I was like, that also is a fear of
mine too, when people, let's go splunking.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Up right, Not we'll not We'll never do that.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
No, that is not a place for human beings. No,
that's no. No, splunking is terrify list. Yeah. So that
was system a fun little thing that Kim unlocked for me.

Speaker 8 (38:43):
I guess that you're learning about your Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, I love that journey for you.

Speaker 8 (38:49):
Mine is just like paranormal ones, Like I still am
so scared.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
We do this every week. We are watching them.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
Constantly, and I still to this day will not watch
my movie like Home alone at night, like I'm just
too scared, Like I will have nightmares.

Speaker 7 (39:08):
The hereditaries The Conjuring. I love Exorcism of Emily.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Rose, Likester Horror Honey.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
Just like they I have not like what's the word
when you're like, I've become numb to it.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
I have not become I'm not.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
That's me. So I will say the movie.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I will say this because I think it was probably
one of I'm not a huge fan of the The
Evil Dead like franchise.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Because it is a little too bloody for me. But
I loved the last one.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I loved, loved I thought was with the Mom was
the last one like Evil Dead Ride Evil Dead. You
want to talk about good horror, that is some good
fucking horror. And when I talk about like the idea
of like they have a queer kid in it, they
have it's woman centered, It's there's a lot of commentary

(40:15):
on Mother was wild, Yes, wild, the whole I was
like like the the the God. I hope I'm not
giving away too much, but like the trauma around periods, right,
like if you want to talk about this, yeah, there's
a whole storyline around the way that we fear women's

(40:36):
bodies and this notion of of of how we treat
the whole period covers there's just it's a very very
smart film, and it's a very smart film, and my
husband's like, oh, it's not that great, And it's always
funny because he's he's also a huge horror person, and
so when he's like it's that good, I'm always like,
it's not good to you because you probably didn't really

(40:56):
like no shame, get it, get it right?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, yeah, it goes you don't, don't, right.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I lived in an intersectional lens.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, I love when a film really like goes there
per se. But I will say that too, Like I
always say, like, I don't find the Exors is scary,
but I am not stupid enough to watch it by
myself alone.

Speaker 8 (41:16):
Sure, Yeah, like I exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, I'm one of those films that makes me be like,
oh my god, I'm so afraid, like I.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Don't something you scare me.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
But I respect it enough to know I'm not watching
this by myself at night, but I'm alone in my house.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I know better than that. I know better god.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Oh okay, interesting, Well y'all another we have got y'all
holding on tight to your rosaries and preaching. I'm gonna say,
my son of a maku saw you're gonna take a
quick break, come well.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Back in just to bed.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I did my big one with that right in there.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Uh, and we are back, fam and I have a
hot take question for us for our What's Popping segment.
I'm gonna ask what are our favorite franchises, what do
we think are the worst ones?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
And why?

Speaker 4 (42:24):
I'm gonna go first, well pasta Him and Kat and
then John. I heard one, and I think one of
the best ones is the Conjure Universe. Like you mentioned earlier,
the Conjure Universe, it is just it is so so good.
I mean, first of all the different Mecas was one
of my favorite actresses that can add down. She's in
gegro Sace Booky Patrick Wilson Live the Man has range,

(42:47):
like I mean and like and like I live, I
don't love.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I don't love when I see what. I don't love
when I see black folks get get get terrorized. But
I do love White post Rise.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
But the University is just so expansive, Like I think,
I love that they like dive in, like I know
about like Annabelle is a real doll, or like I
don't know the rain wore until till this movie.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
And I'm really into spooky ship.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
And like that that that's the movie where like I
cannot watch it home by myself because I actually will
truly I this lily, But like I know that I
will never buy a two story house because every movie
where there's a ghost, they have a two story house.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I have not want to go in a ranch style
home or see the story home.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
For me, girl, Okay, so I will know what movie
was that was it. It's not Kevin Bacon, but it's
the man who looks like Kevin Bacon. He moves into
a house and he's writing a book and as he's
writing this book, uh, something's terrorizing him in his family
and they're telling it's telling him to get.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Is this is it the first it's sinister, sinister, Yes,
story house ethan, No, it's a story house.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
It is.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
It is a one story And it's the scene when
his son gets up out of the bedroom and walks outside.
He watches his walk from the room to go outside
and he's standing in front of the trees.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
Is there a basement?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Don't have a basement? Basement?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
They may, I don't know, I don't. I don't makes.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
A two story to me, girl?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
The basement. It is ground.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
Jojo says, no, two stairs. I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
When there's stairs.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yeah, when there's a ghost, because the ghost is always downstairs,
upstairs somewhere right. I will, I will, I will be
watched this now and be like and find out because
if there is not, if there is no a basement,
I will be creeped out even more.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
So.

Speaker 8 (44:51):
There's definitely a basement or an attic, because that's where
they get the film reels from.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yes, it's because I remember him. He tries, don't you know.

Speaker 13 (45:03):
Don't.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
Absolutely tanking the real estate bubble because no one will
buy anything with stairs now, honestly, thank you so much, because.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
My mom's house isn't at it and and like she's
should go up there to get and I'm like, do.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
You want to hear something even more crazy?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Not crazy? I have to stuff using that word. We
want to hear something even more weird. So I recently
just saw I don't know if it was a TikTok
or real or where I saw, but a woman said
that she moved into a house and she heard rustling
up in her atic and when she went up there
to take a picture to see what was up there
it was a man.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
There was a man up in her, living in her.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
I'm more scared of that than a ghost.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Was a man living, yes, so much more terrifying.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
This is like this is our version of the man
or the bear, because I'm like, give me a ghost
over any.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Day, because if I go up and you're a real
person there, yeah, like like I can't ask questions.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
But that's like the Boy, right, was it the Boy?
Wasn't that the movie? The Boy were the one boy?

Speaker 2 (46:18):
The little animal thing was real or demonic or kept
moving and then they come to find out at the
end of it in the wall, right, somebody was living
in the walls.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
My god.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
Yeah, And I am aware that this will be my demise,
Like I hear it and I know it. But like
there is this really ridiculous part of me that thinks
I can negotiate with ghosts and like.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
That same.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
Like someone, Yeah, you to be like, what's your finished business?
Do you want to talk about it?

Speaker 3 (46:51):
You have to fight me? I got your.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Yeah, I always the last homeowner and yeah, yeah we
friends and.

Speaker 7 (47:03):
The houses are expensive?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, I don't talk about that real quick, can we put?

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I always thought it was real interesting, so in Insidious,
the first one when they were tired of being Uh so,
let me. I just want to say this because this
has always been on my mind. I never had a
platform to say it. It was interesting to me because
they live in Los Angeles, right, and in the first house,
they're getting terrorized and she's like, I want to move,

(47:30):
and they.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
Just up and move and he's a teacher. No, we
talked about that.

Speaker 7 (47:39):
Got family, family money.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Hell are you just going up and move in l
A to.

Speaker 7 (47:43):
A family house? Yeah? Trusty?

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Should they should make a horror film about the housing market.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
That's the commentary we need from a filmmakers.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
It wasn't the early twenty when when stuff was rising real.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, can you just can't just up and move?

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Give me a slash film killing Agent or killing that
the hobby marked houses?

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Like, yeah, that movie.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
But people who are like I can't move into this
house because someone was murdered there, I'm like, well, hold on,
let's talk about it, like if how much, well the
price is there a discount is anyone can get? Can
I talk to the ghost Let's see if we can
work something out before we just say no haunted houses, Like,

(48:36):
it's just it's unrealistic and frankly, it's speaking from a
place of privilege. It's like, you know, not.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Everyone want to live here because of a ghost, because
it's haunted.

Speaker 7 (48:46):
Okay, all right, we thought.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
We had a ghost in our in our in our
kind of when we first moved here, and my husband's like,
I feel like there's something here, and I was like,
they just got to get comfortable with us being.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
Yeah, honestly.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Destigmatized. Not all ghost bad.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Very I'm fining for ghost rights in the in these
streets a ghost bad, then you.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
Go right take for ghost rights.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
T shirt, that's like the Demon Union.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
T shirt.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah so much, you are so good.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
It's true.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
I love this fighting for ghost rights.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
So now I have to say, my my my worst franchise,
and this may be controversial something, okay, but I think
Halloween's the words the worst franchise scandal.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Let's put in some scary music, put in the Halloween.
Oh my god, it's not for me.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
We respected.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
I think I think it explore seems a mental health.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Yes, do I buy the idea that that that that
this doing people for like thirty forty years and keeps
escaping people and no one solves him.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Do I like, dud dude? Do I buy that? Do
I buy that? Jimmy as his sister cannot stop up?
I just I can't. I can't.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
And truthfully and truthfully, this man don't run. He just
walks and he kills people. He just maybe he power walks.
He tries to feel you.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, he will still be God running. How does he
find like? Literally, how does he find you here?

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Magic?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
I know he mask? I know.

Speaker 7 (50:34):
I was like, but you know, Michael Myles is a daddy, so.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
What he but like, however I see him, I'm just like,
I'm just like, y'all know this is not like if
y'all came out on this man, you no offense. You
deserve to get god, girl, because what what?

Speaker 3 (50:50):
How did he find you? Also? If he like this
man is.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Nothing but but a glorified like four year old person
wearing Lulu woman walking their dogs on the street.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I've seen the person. I've seen this girl.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
I hear you. Can somebody please make that? Can someone
please make a Lululemon lady walking her dog with a
Michael Ware's mask on.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, thank you very much. She's very much giving. I
have to get my steps.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
I know, oh, I know, I know his Apple watching
going off seventeen girl.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
One thing about me is I'm gonna kill you, but
I'm also getting steps.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
I'm getting these steps.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
He's like, you do rumbach that because it will take
me tanking to get you ass.

Speaker 8 (51:44):
Yeah, I gotta close my ring.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
He's actually when he's stabbing people, that's just his just
trying to close his exercise roy. Yeah, he's like, I
got now, I got to get my reps in.

Speaker 14 (52:02):
Yeah, that was she was so silly that she was
so funny that that's mine.

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Mine's the conjuring too as well.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. It's just it
delivers so good. It delivers. That's what it is. It delivers. Look,
some of them don't deliver, but then.

Speaker 8 (52:33):
It delivers overall delivery.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah. The last one that they it's the rule of average,
right you know.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, the second one too was kind of but the
first one was great.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
The first one was really good, right there, What what's
the what's what's the one that you're like not so much?

Speaker 8 (52:51):
I wasn't sure, and I kind of just picked one
that I haven't seen much of, just because I don't
feel drawn to it and that was child's play seen
the first one, but like have no real desire to see.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
I understand that. I'm not saying it's right or wrong,
but I understand it.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
And it's never been my thing either, even with like
the growing I've never been drawn.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I think like, I.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Don't think Chelsea is like it's just camp. Like I
think it's just like it's.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
It's very it's a gay man who did it.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
It's right right, It's like it's very clear child play
to with with with playing Tiffany. Yeah, camp than that
this little bad bitch doll doing cigarettes?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
What are you? What are you doing? Girls?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
And then they haven't like what the child when they
got child?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, then they have an binary It's it's like there's
no I do.

Speaker 8 (53:45):
Want to watch the new show, though I haven't watched.

Speaker 7 (53:49):
Shout out to our podcast daddy Devin Sawa.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah we have, yes, yes, he the show is cute.
It doesn't hold up. Season season one is better than
season two and three. I can see why. I can
see why they canceled it, but I will say it
was it was it was fun. It was fun for
what it was worth, yea. But I also agree. I'm
right there with you. And again it's not to say

(54:14):
that I don't like Chucky because I laugh every time
I think about that scene, the first one when she's like,
tell you.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
Say something to tell me before I throw you on
the fire.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
He's like, I was like, that is funny.

Speaker 7 (54:27):
I just thought that's my husband last night, say something
before I throw you on the fire.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah, but he like Chucky is Chucky is a key?
So I love that. But anyway, yes, so I'm right
there with you. I will say, So I'm gonna go
I'm gonna go down. I'll be transparent and saying I've
never sat down and watched I've probably watched two of.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
The Evil deads in the franchises. There was one where
they were in a wood and they were like in
a camp situation, and that was the one I think
that came out maybe two, three, four years, five years ago.
And then there's Evil to Yeah, it remake that one
came out.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
It was Okay, Evil Dead is good in the sense
of the Evil Dead Rise. So I what I will
say is this, I'm not a huge Evil Dead girly
in the sense of like that's the first scary go
to movie.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I want to go to.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
But what I appreciate is that there's consistency. Every Evil
Dead that I've I've at least seen, or at least
I know, the consistency of like, you know what you're
gonna get, you know what kind of scary you're gonna
walk into.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
You know the scares will be good. You know they're
gonna be bloody.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Like I said, not that's not not for me, but
I definitely appreciate the fact that kind of like like
what you said, Halloween, I don't know my husband has
this is really if you get him into the conversation,
he'll go off about it. I guess he said that
there was like these hollow like the original Halloweens, and
then some singer.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Took it off, Zombie Rob Zombie took.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
It over, and then it came back.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
And that's kind of what I'm happy that Evil Dead
never did. I love that it's always like every Evil
Dead has always been associated at least what I know.
And again, if if I'm wrong, please correct me. But
from what I know that every Evil Dead has always
had the same people connected to it, and I just
love the consistency. And so that's that's the thing I
would say I love you know, in terms of but
again conjuring yes, I can go for hours. Insidious. I

(56:19):
love the Insidious, the Annabelle offshoot, the Nun. And it's
funny because I actually know Bonnie, and knowing Bonnie is
it's it's funny because there are moments where we'll be
talking and we'll be laughing and I'll see her and
I'm like, fuck, I'm talking to.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
The nun.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
Laughing yeah, yeah, and stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
So it's always weird for me because it's like I
can see, like we'll be laughing over something, or we'll
be having dinner and I'll look at her and I'm like, fuck,
that's the nun. And so it's it's just funny to
me because I love that. But anyway, all that should
be said.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
The other the one I will say that really actually
kind of pissed me off, was I was so mad
about the third Jeepers Creepers because I loved the first one,
adored the second one. I thought the second one was
also very camp. It was also very much giving, like
teenagers stuck in a bus and this thing is, you know,
haunting them, and it's, oh my god. Like I love

(57:12):
the second one and then the third one, it was like,
what the fuck is this? Like it felt so disrespectful
is the right word to.

Speaker 7 (57:20):
The people to the story?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, yeah, it was disrespectful to the story, but it
was even to me as as someone who loved the franchise.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I was.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
I felt disrespected and it was like you, like, you
put this out thinking that we were gonna be okay
with it. That's like, yeah, yeah, I was really upset.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah. And then the idea is that we waited.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Forever for it, like we waited forever for this third
Cheeper Screeper, And I understand the money wasn't there. Some
of the producers had taken their hands off because oh boy,
you know, he had a whole there's a whole legal
thing around him. So I get it, but it just
it felt very disrespectful to me, and like I would
have rather them not put it out, make it right,
not make it, or don't put it out and let

(58:07):
us just have one and two to live off of
and just kind of be like you get what you get,
you know. So I just felt very kind of thrown about.
The third one was absolutely terrible. If you want to
watch it just for shits and giggles have a good time,
but it's one of the films I probably will never
watch again.

Speaker 7 (58:23):
So that actually, so asking this question made me realize
something about myself as I was going through being like,
what are my favorite franchises? What are my least favorite franchises?
And I had the realization I was like, I don't
think I'm a fan of horror movie franchises, Like they're
ones that I like and appreciate, but in general, I

(58:43):
think I tend to like one offs. And I'll tell
you why.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
It's because there's.

Speaker 7 (58:48):
A freedom to there not being any material that needs
to be covered. There's no there's no people that we
need to please, there's no consistencies that we need to maintain,
there's no politics that we need to accommodate. It's like,
I'm making this one off movie because one of the

(59:09):
things that bothers me about franchises is when you can
see the things that were done in order to make
money or appease people, It's like, that's what I'm coming
to the movies for. And then I tend to just
be like exhausted by franchises, like we this is not

(59:31):
going to be a secret to our Sammy's I know
this is going to be shocking. They know it, they've mourned,
they've dealt with it. I motherfucking hate but Friday the
Thirteenth franchise. I hate it. I hate it.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I hate it.

Speaker 7 (59:46):
I think it's so stupid and like people like love
it and I get it and I respect it, and
you do you, but I'm not a fan of gore porn. Really.
I'm like, I like a good kill, but deliver it
to me.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
You know, on someone and then getting killed just stupid.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
Yes, I'm exactly, And so like just in general, I
like the freedom of a one off horror movie and
where people are like, I have I want to tell
this story, not I want to tell the studios story,
right right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah, well that's like I mean, and I'll say this again,
like with Cinners, Sinners, you know what's his name said,
He's like, I never and he's like, I never wanted
this to be a franchise because everyone's like, oh, we
need it too, and I'm like, no, we don't need
the second one. Like I'm very much okay with the
way that the first one ended. Yeah, like we don't

(01:00:36):
need we don't need a second one, Like it is
okay for us to leave it alone and for us
to walk away from it and say, let's let's do
something else.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
It's kind of like, I mean someone saying, like, let's
do a get out too, no.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
Story.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I don't need.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
A second one. I don't need another like the same
thing I've never I don't need another. Nope, I don't
need any of those. I don't need us like those
like we're created with it to end where it now
us I could, I could see them at a second.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
You know, I thought that there's some reays I feel like,
like would make sense to continue a story one more time,
like us makes sense because I'm like because I have
questions of like how did this world come to be?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Like I might.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
A prequel would yeah that, But yeah, I'm very much
in the mind of there are movies. When I'm done,
you know, you walk out the theater and you're like,
I don't need a second one for this. I really
don't want us to make a sa like I'll even
say this, and i'ma gonna get a lot of triple
saying this, but Meghan.

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
I don't need Okay that being said, the trailer, I
was just like you they made that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
They didn't make it, I know, I know, but did
we need it either? But I also want to say
this so that way, I don't get no shit. I
love the fact that there's a black woman behind there
behind it, so yes, black women in movies getting paid.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
But I'm also in the mind and like, I don't
think we needed another Magan, but hey, it is what
it is. The money was there. It made a lot
of fucking money, and they said, hey, we're going to
make a second one because we want more money. Okay,
I got it, but yeah, that's just why. But yes,
I agree wholeheartedly.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Yeah that being said, one of the most like commercialized
produced money grabbing franchises of all time is, in fact
my favorite franchise, Scream. But it's because I do feel
like with all of the things that they were tasked
with doing with each consecutive film where they had to

(01:02:50):
please they had to you know, be in the same
arena as the first one, which was almost perfection, and
then they had to please you know, the studio heads,
and then they had to give the horror community something differently.
They had a task to do, and I think they
did it professionally and beautifully do. I think every screen

(01:03:11):
movie is as good as the first one. Well not
the last one was awful, but I feel like there
I like them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
But I mean the thought that they took it to
a whole city. I was really here for it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I appreciated that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I just there were there were just just I'll say this,
decisions were made, and if I was the writer or
producer on it, the decisions made some different decisions. But yes,
I so the wig, the wig, the wig, which we
hope that there was an echo on that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
Let me tell you, there is enough money. There's enough.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
She's already blonde and she got good hair. Why don't
you do her like that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Wild? But I love brought her back. That's my girl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I love brought her back there. And that's the that's
the reason that I'm pissed. There's money franchise and you
have this shaking a wig on it. Girls, everybody out, everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:04:22):
I do like the way that you said about Evil Dead,
how it is kind of one straight through line scream.
I think does a good job of that because I
will say, look, I love Halloween, but like you do
need a flow charge understand the franchise.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Him crazy literally had to I believe in one of
our post words and actually presented a to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Me, don't don't be for Halloween.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
You can't look at those are different Halloween and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Then from age to oh you gotta go better one, right,
you can't look at those four the four if you
look at the yeah yeah, and it's h two all
part of the original ones.

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
I think is like its own offshoot, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, you do it too much?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Girl, Yeah, I will say, h always one of my
favorite ones.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
No, it's you know, it's because it's it's because it's
it's it's a new two thousands and the events of
the previous of the previous three film doing too much
wait the three nor the three Thorn films the Thorn,
which is four.

Speaker 7 (01:05:40):
I literally can't even this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
But my thing is, but isn't Jamie Lee being chased
by him?

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Facts?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
But my question becomes, how is it ignoring the first three?
If Jamie Okay, magine, imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Magine right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
It goes from not the first three, but the previous
three sons Halloween four, which.

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
Starts after Halloween three.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yah yeah in Nos. Four and then the Curse of
Michael Myers.

Speaker 7 (01:06:14):
But also Halloween three doesn't even have Michael Myers in it,
so yes it does not right, No, Halloween three is
its own. Yeah, Halloween three is like, that's just another
different movie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, that's so season.

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
Goes from like Halloween one, Halloween two to h two.
I think, yeah, yes, right, see we need a fight truly,
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
But what is Halloween three.

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Halloween three is the one which with Atkins Thomass, so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
The doctor is basically being.

Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
Terrorized, so there's no Michael Myers.

Speaker 7 (01:06:53):
And I do remember this that Kim told me because
I lost my mind in that episode. Kim told me
and in hire movie called Halloween the Third Installment, and
we get to the end and I go, so where's
Michael and she goes, not available, like not here, and
I was like, what are you talking about? Yeah? So,

(01:07:14):
but so apparently what that was I remember him telling
me was that Halloween did so well that they were like,
we need to make another movie and we just need
to call it Halloween. People don't need the Michael Myers
of it all. They just want a movie called Halloween.
And we were like, in correct, and then people were like,
we do need the Michael Myers okay, yeah, before he

(01:07:38):
comes back.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, that's so bold.

Speaker 14 (01:07:42):
No, we were good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
We don't need him anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
So we're fine.

Speaker 7 (01:07:45):
We're fine.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Oh actually, you know what, Michael, we do need you girls.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I'm so sorry. Baby. We will the rates increased
and we got you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, we got you, We got you, We got you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Okay, y'all, well we got I'd take this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
This was such a key and in such a rabbit
hole about tea tea franchise that live.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
We all take a one more quick break.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
When we come back, we'll be back with y'all's favorite segments.
It's Sam, no Man PAMs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
All right, y'all, so, uh, welcome back. We are going
to get into our guest ma'm and our no mams.
For those who are new to the show, our guest
man in our no mams is usually when we either
give people flowers, or we give things flowers or we
throw them at them. And so with that being said,
this week, mine are kind of short. Both of mine
are kind of short. I may go off a little
bit in my nomnpam, but you'll see when.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
We get there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
So all that to be said, I'm gonna start this week.
Then we'll go to you Kim and Kat, and then
we'll go ahead and throw it to you Johoa, and
we'll wrap all that to be said. So my yes,
ma'am this week, I I know. So when I read
the news, I was like, fuck, why couldn't this have
come out two, three, four years ago? Because I'm worried
about what it's going to be. But anyway, I want

(01:09:01):
to say, I want to shout out everyone who's doing
good work around really anything at this point, but specifically,
I have a friend who works in HIV prevention and
one of the meds that I know that he worked on.
I think it's called yetsugo for those of you who
do or don't know, it was just approved by the FDA.

Speaker 8 (01:09:20):
Your friend worked on that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, he actually was one of the people who pretty
much brought this to life. So yeah, he's that's brilliant, brilliant, honey.
And I saw him all over Facebook talking about it,
and so he's been at it. Actually I met him
probably who jeez, I met him I think in like

(01:09:42):
twenty fifteen, and I've known that he's been doing like
HIV prevention work, but I didn't know how close he
had worked to this, and so when he announced it,
I was like, oh, snap, so you're one of the
people who was on this got it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
So shout out to him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
But all that to be said, yes, very very very
very excited to see this come to life. It's going
to change a lot of people's lives. I think if
and when it can get to our hands, kind of
like ozempic at one point how it was like five
or six or seven hundred dollars for folks to get
and now it's like thirty dollars for people to get.
I I hope we get to a place with this

(01:10:19):
medication where I know it's going to be really expensive
right now, but I'm hoping that one day down the
line it'll get to a place where everybody can actually
afford it and have it if they need it. So
just shout out to anybody who's doing, you know, any
LGBTQ HIV prevention work. And I don't say LGBTQ as
if like HIV is only an lgbt thing. What I'm

(01:10:39):
saying is is I know that the LGBTQ community needs
it more than other communities, and it's really cool to
see that they are catering to a specific demographic of
people to make sure that they are protected and that
they have access to health resources that they need. So
I just think it's really really cool that we're here,
my noman PAMs. So I want to say this. I

(01:11:01):
know in this story, I probably I would say ninety
percent of the story is my fault. I was in La.
I was in LA for an event. I was rushing,
and so I parked. I saw a parking spot and
I parked in the parking spot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
I know where this is going, I'll explain.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
I was on larch Mot and Larche Mot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
If you all don't know, it's very busy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
But all that to be said.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
The parking spot I saw was on the other side
of the streets, so I turned from the other side
into it. I turned into it when I when I
did what I needed to do. I went to the bank,
I went to go get something neat, and when I
came back to my car, there was a meter person
at the car giving me a ticket. And I said, okay, okay,
the man's giving me a ticket because he basically says,
you know, because I initially thought he was giving me

(01:11:52):
a ticket for the meter and I was like, I
paid the meter. He was like, no, I'm giving you
a ticket because you the way you turned in, it's
gonna make it hard for the other car to back out.
I said, oh, okay, fine, fine, that's again. I'm not tripping, right.
I don't know if he was just being an asshole,
but whatever. In my mind, I'm thinking to myself, I
have to go, so just give me the ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Not tripping. I can pay it. I have the funds.
Not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Sure where I where now? This is where my NOMN
PAM comes in. I really want to say a special
fuck you to him, because he was talking to the
other person who was in the car who was trying
to back out, and he kept misgendering me, and I said, sir,
our person, I saw his name on his badge. I

(01:12:36):
forget what his name was. I said, my pronouns are
they them? If you can stop misgendering me in this moment,
I would appreciate that. He kept doing it, and I said, okay,
I said so, I said, I was really nice about
the ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I said, I was really nice about it. I even
told you, I said, I just like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
I was like, oh, okay, you're gonna give me a
ticket for I said, Okay, no worries, I said, I
just I have to go because I have an event
i'm trying to get to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Can you just give me the ticket?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
And he's standing there, having a full on conversation with
the guy in the other car, misgendering me. He's got
to go, He's gonna lookt and I'm going, sir, okay.
So now you're making this hostile. You're making this a
hostile thing, especially when I'm trying to be cool about it,
and I'm telling you stop misgendering me. So I'm where
my point is my problem. My problem is this. You know,

(01:13:23):
I understand you're trying to do your job. I understand
that people are really probably shitty to you about your job.
And I understand that you probably thought I was being
shitty to you because I was trying to get out
of there and I was trying to go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I actually wasn't, like I said.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I tell people all the time, I'm usually only an
asshole when people give me a reason to be an asshole.
In that moment, I was trying to be real cool,
and then you misgendered me and you kept misgendering me,
and that's where the problem lies. So my whole no man, Pam,
is this. When someone tells you what their pronouns are,
when someone tells you what their name is, when someone
tells you how to speak to them, listen to them,

(01:13:58):
and they if they punch you in the face or
you know, or if you get into a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Heated confrontation with them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I'm just gonna say it this way, y'all continue to
keep pushing queer people, to keep pushing black people, to
keep pushing women to these places like to marginalize people.
You keep pushing them and then get upset when you
see them acting out or people like, well, why are
they acting this way? You knew what you were doing

(01:14:28):
in this moment, sir, You knew what you were doing.
And that's just where I have a moment. So to him,
to any LAPD officer, to anybody who's a meter person,
and I was gonna call a meter maid, I was
gonna do all these things, and I'm just like, no,
it's it's actually patty, I'm not doing that. I just
want to say fuck you and fuck anyone who intentionally
misgenders anybody. And I hope your booty itches indefinitely, I

(01:14:50):
really do. I hope you cannot. Like you, there's this
indefinite scratch you just can't get and it continues to
keep happening, and you probably need.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
To have surgery to have it removed. That's where I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
What about chat love that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:15:06):
First of all, I yeah, I just I'm sorry that
you went through that. I just you know, I find it.
It's not like I haven't accidentally misgendered people before, and
it's just it's so easy to go, oh, thanks for
telling me. Sorry, you know what I mean, Like, it's
not anyway, I'm sorry you dealt with that. Mine is

(01:15:26):
significantly less heavy, I would say. And I had this
list of all these other things I was going to do,
but this is really just coming from the heart. So
my yes, ma'am, is the breakfast I had this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I had.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
It was a breakfast that everybody had. I asked my
husband today, I said, did you ever? Did you not
eat this as a kid, and he goes, no, I've
never had it until I met you. So going to
share it with you all toast, peanut butter, seasoned scrambled
eggs on top. You're welcome. I yes, I was gonna

(01:16:04):
give it that face, but can you gotta try it?
No yai faces, no yacke faces till you try. We
just take one bite, but.

Speaker 8 (01:16:15):
I'm not gonna do you do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
So my question is because this is something I, well
even my husband does like right now. I know when
I'm done with this, I'm gonna go upstairs. Any corn, beef,
hash and some eggs and I'm gonna make toast and
put some stuff on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Do you put eggs on your jelly toast? No? Just no? Okay,
wondering because.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I know says everything, says everything interesting, YaST.

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
Ship okay, okay, yeah, uh my no, ma'am again my
food to be separate. I guess he does like she
has a very military she has militarized.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Yeah, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:05):
Rects. I was also so I had this whole thing
about how I couldn't afford to see the Cowboy Carter
tour in Los Angeles. I thought I was going to
be able to see it in London because they have
caps on ticket prices. It's a billion dollars. But then
there were other things where I could get into the
Welsh infrastructure abuse from the UK government I'm not going

(01:17:28):
to do that. And I'm just going to tell you that.
I say no, ma'am to smashing my pinky finger between
a boulder and a brick yesterday, because I did not
realize how much I used my pinky and it really
fucking hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Oh, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
Yeah. So that just like it just trumped everything else
that I was mad about. And don't smash you don't
you're pinky between a boulder and a brick. Don't do it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
So I went to shave this week and I cut
the like inside of my and it has been fucking
me up for like three or four days.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Girl, that little just that little nick I get it.
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Why do you sing so much every time?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Drinking everything you and it makes you more mad about
everything else that was already making.

Speaker 7 (01:18:29):
I was already mad, but now my pinky is telling
me to be more.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
It's cost of eggs, cost of gas. I'm pissed, but
now my pinky hurts, so I'm even more pissed.

Speaker 7 (01:18:37):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, yes, what about you.

Speaker 8 (01:18:41):
Kim, Okay, my ma'am is my city, Los Angeles. It's
just like, yeah, I mean, it's been a it's been
a hard year. It started with the fires and then
now the invasion from ice, and I think like the
way that the community has come together, yeah has you know,

(01:19:04):
like it's been like a beautiful thing to see. Yeah that,
Like you think sometimes I think or people think that
we're like so divided, but it's like when like shit
cuts down to it, you know, like at least like
this city.

Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
Fuck, you know, we are a community.

Speaker 8 (01:19:22):
And we like the way you see people like protecting
their neighbors and like going out in the streets to
like be on ice watch and.

Speaker 7 (01:19:29):
Things like that. It's I went on an ice hunt yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I love it. I love it. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm loving.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Not to take away from you, Kim, but I'm loving
seeing there's a lot of reels and tiktoks of people
who are buying up the street vendors stuff like the
flowers and the folks who are to keep them safe,
so they'll go out really early in the morning, give
them like two hundred and fifty dollars, buy all of
their flowers, and say go home. And they've been doing
that for like the last week and a half to

(01:19:58):
keep them protected from eyes and that. Like I've been
don't like I've been giving money here. Whenever I see
it on my timeline, it's almost like, hey, can you
give us twenty dollars? I will because I'm like, I'm
so here for that, like let's keep these people safe
and also shout out to I don't want.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
To say this because I don't want people coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Me, but I saw that people hate issues with the Dodgers,
and then the Dodgers was like, oh, if y'all think
we're terrible, we'll flip it on you. They protected them,
y'all can't come in here millions of dollars to the
families of immigrants who are having issues. So I don't
know where this rumor came from that the Dodgers supports ICE.

(01:20:34):
I don't know where that rumor started.

Speaker 7 (01:20:36):
But don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Yeah, it's very much giving to me that they don't,
so I'm very much not.

Speaker 8 (01:20:42):
No, they very much were like get the fuck out
that have been like get the fuck out.

Speaker 7 (01:20:50):
Yeah, just protecting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
And it's just yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 7 (01:20:56):
Grateful to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:20:58):
Speaking of UH, there's this group called know Us Without
You LA I think is a group that I work
but they've been like helping know us without u la
if you're looking to help their like they get like
food too. That community and been doing it for like years,

(01:21:21):
groceries and it's like thirty three bucks will like feed
a family of four or something like that. Like, Oh,
they're they're really great.

Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
Okay, my no, ma'am. I can't wait. I'm so excited.

Speaker 8 (01:21:31):
Yeah, okay, I know there's some cat moms in this
group right now.

Speaker 7 (01:21:36):
Watch it, yeah, watch it. Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:21:41):
So we have a backyard, which in itself is a
feat in this lifetime, okay. And it's beautiful and it
has green grass and it's like an escape and I
love it so much. And there is okay, look, I'm
not even sure it's a cat.

Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
Maybe it's I don't know what kind of animal it is.

Speaker 8 (01:21:59):
But some man has decided that our beautiful backyard is
their toilet and they come in every morning and maybe
they do their toilet business. But lately they've been puking
in the backyard every morning and I don't even know
what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:22:17):
I don't see them.

Speaker 8 (01:22:18):
Also, we're fenced in, so they're either jumping eight feet
over the fence or they're coming from the front, so
they're like jumping over the fence in the front and
walking down our driveway all the way around the house
into the backyard to then just throw up in it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Every day.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
I have some carefining questions.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
I've care fine questions for you, A wild question or
just a poops look like because hot pooping and different
are different.

Speaker 8 (01:22:47):
Poops right, different seat in the poop as my boyfriend.
But I've seen I've only seen the puke. What's the
difference of animal.

Speaker 7 (01:23:00):
I don't appreciate him that you are just making wild
assumptions that a cat.

Speaker 8 (01:23:08):
Nandi has has seen a cat because he wakes up
early in the morning, wakes up like five, and he's like,
I've seen a cat in the backyard.

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
Has he taken a pictures or it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
So, if it's it's a cat. If it's like a turd,
it's not a cat. The cat.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
The cat's poop perhaps pop like bellets, or they're small
the small poop like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Cats are tiny creatures.

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
Okay, But how do I make it leave?

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
How do you make it? Stops the question?

Speaker 7 (01:23:37):
Do I make it go away? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I think you probably have to set up a camera
and see what it is and figure out that way.

Speaker 7 (01:23:45):
My question is why are you trying to get it
to go away? And why aren't you putting food out?
The cat really just threw up, has an empty stomach.

Speaker 8 (01:23:51):
So this cat clearly needs help. They should go tell
their parents that you're sick.

Speaker 7 (01:23:57):
Well, cats do throw up a lot. That is kind
of there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I've never heard of a
coyote thrown up or anything. Yeah, yeah, So, And I
don't want you to give away too much.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
I don't, I don't, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I don't want to know where you live because I
don't want people knowing on the air where you live.
But I'm like, I'm wondering just what area it is,
because I know where I live, Like I just saw.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
This is so sad and actually made me really sad
yesterday we saw a dead baby coyote yesterday because we
have a we have a main road, like there's there's
a main road to get to the highway where I live,
and that main road is near a lot of what's
the word shrubbery? I guess, yeah, it's very ferny. So

(01:24:41):
it only makes sense that you know, a baby would
probably get hurt. And I always think about that when
I'm driving, I'm like, what what baby could get hurt?
But where I live is not so much very shrubbery,
it's very developed. So if you're in a shrubbery area
of Los Angeles County proper, it could be a I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:25:00):
Not listen, it's probably a cat. All i'm saying is
I definitely a fence. Fence does all around. I'm just saying,
jumping over. I don't I don't appreciate assumptions that are
being made, the slander towards cats. Yeah, and I just
love animals. I just get out of that yard. Well,

(01:25:21):
you know, I love animals unconditionally. I guess that's what
I'm saying. I'm about to have.

Speaker 8 (01:25:27):
A human who's pee and pup and poop that I'm
gonna have to clean up.

Speaker 13 (01:25:31):
Okay, like we really, yeah, I'm about to be an aunt,
So thank you so much congratulation.

Speaker 8 (01:25:48):
Just come over and clean up our non animal that
doesn't belong to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Us poop while you take baby.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
We got you, Okay, we got you, all right, don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
So that's the floor we kim.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
So when the baby poops and those in the backyard,
then that's cute. But God for the cat does it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
The cat does.

Speaker 7 (01:26:11):
Question, Joe, that's a fantastic question. Yeah, I have questions.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
I have questions.

Speaker 8 (01:26:20):
It's not this baby is coming from inside me.

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
As did my cats.

Speaker 8 (01:26:27):
Yes, exactly, And you would be upset if your cats
were disrespecting your neighbors like I've been razy to do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
I'm okay, my so my name is funny because it
is actually gonna be this whole Kindred thing. So I'm
sorry that y'all have to hear it again. But my
man is to this app Kindred. I'm using it currently
in Francisco, and I had to this app for your friend.

(01:26:56):
It's a home swapping like it's like Airbnb asked, but
airbing because people actually live in their houses and you
participate in it by swapping homes with people or you host,
you get credits to use in other places, and so
you like like people like people will go people have
swap homes, like for example, I could drop about home
in San Diego to Mexico City and seeing city for
a week for three hundred bucks and like a two

(01:27:17):
bedroom too math home like that is madge right, mad
cheap like and then like that's the type of stuff
I like you could do. It's like it's like you apply,
you apply to be on there, they're in. They're like
they're they're still in there beta testing or like not
like like early access. Yeah, so but you're able Like
if if listeners want to code, HiT's your girl up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
I got you with the code.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
You can apply if you get if I get in,
you get five credits for free because not sponsored you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
I'm not sponsored. There's no payment here. But I wish
they was sponsored me because I do want some more credits,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
But but you know, if you if you sign up
and get and you get accepted, I also get two credits.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Just die. But it was literally dope, like I used it.
I was a party. Was like what if I use it?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
It's actually not really like I get here that I've
been dou like the person's actually living here, like girl,
what are you doing? Like just wild stuff. But it's
been amazing, Like I'm in a great area. My favorite
areas in the city, the homeless. It's a beautiful it's
it's a it's a it's a it's like a one
thousand square foot one bedroom house.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
It's a huge.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
It's a huge one bedroom cotable as how there are steps.
There are steps to get up to San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Are you are you in the house up there living
down there?

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Stop?

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Stop stop it, bitch, you got me?

Speaker 7 (01:28:31):
Okay, it's not interesting. Does that interesting?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Does that count?

Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
Do you think it? If you live there or not?

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Like, it's it's steps, like there's only one floor, the steps,
just get up from the front door.

Speaker 7 (01:28:48):
If there are steps, then I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
My own science. I'm living today, So it's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
But I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Have I have been hearing steps. So I've been hearing
stats and so it's so I know that I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
I know that, like because just go right, like there's
another there's another, you know on top of this one
for sure that but maybe if you have to me
if I've turned back a few times, so I was like,
it's someone here that'll be hearing ship. So I have
been like like like like in my fear, my fear,
y'all is like literally like if on camera, and so
it just goes and kills me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
That's that's my fear. Goes behind me now, But.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Oh my god, right, they'll be crazy or I get
a chance to fight them. But anyways, I'll just say
y'all anyway, I'll just say it's a great place.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Do not de real, don't do real by yesterday with
ship right now. Okay, okay, oh you're.

Speaker 7 (01:29:40):
So right now, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
No, ma'am is going to be to our administration for
cutting off support for the for the trans suicide for
the hotline. It's it's just like and like I get
that they like they frame it as like they're just
collapsing it into like one hot line that like and
we can access, Like you know that people will not

(01:30:07):
be trained, like people will not be trained to actually
handle l g B t Q and I say lgt
Q because they say l g B l g B
t Q pless kids and they won't be able to
people will be trained. And like that that that project
who has done amazing work for for for decades, helpically helping,
help helping you then help with this hot line for
twenty one, that they that the access is cut and

(01:30:28):
all the other providers are cut. It's just really sad
and that and and i'most like if like y'all say
you want make America great, and y'all say you wanna,
y'all say you wanna protect children, but you're actually like
you're you're like contributing to their harm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
So how are you doing? How are you doing that? Girl?
Like you make it make sense, paces it makes sense.
It's not. It's not the sense and sensing to me.
So Mimi him to that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
I'm just like, this country is going. This country is
going to hell and hand basket every day more and more.
And I'm just like, wow, it come to be live ship.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
It's wild to ship to ship and it's going to ship.
And I I just want to say, you know a
thought that I had, And I know we've been going
where a little long in the two of this episode,
but I was gonna say, I find it very interesting
someone had said this, and I don't know what the
inneration was, so I'm just gonna try to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Repeat it off of my COVID brain.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
But they had said something to the avail of it's
it's save the children, save the babies, you know, pro
abortion and all this stuff until it's actually time to
save people like you you're save the children, but yet
you're cutting everything that could potentially save.

Speaker 7 (01:31:39):
The children, like pro birth. They're not pro life.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
And it's just it is mind boggling to me because
it's like all these stupid decisions that are being made
are going to and that's the thing. It's like, yes,
I'm I'm I'm not gonna even say I'm okay, I'm
I'm struggling too, but I'm like, I'm gonna get through it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
But I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Keep thinking about like my nephew is seven and I'm
goal he's getting ready to be seven, and I just
keep thinking, what is my nephew's life going to be
like in twenty years because of all these stupid decisions
that are being made today. And it's just there are
moments where I literally want to scream because I'm just
so none of them makes sense, none of them like
why bring back asbestos?

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
I can't but because I think I think we're sorry.
Evil is the point. Evil is the point. Like it's
because Russia is like the number one producer of asbestos.
Oh God, get me out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
And that's when I said you could send that comment
at anytime. Like I know, I hate joking about this,
but I'm also in this mind of like it's it's
really bad. Like you know when when when you're looking
around and you hear oh so and so passed away
or oh so and so you know, they've they've lived
the good life and they've passed. I'm kind of in
the mind of like they probably just were like, I
can't do this no more anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
And I understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I I totally get it, Like especially a lot of
the like I have friends who are like who have
parents and grandparents that are like in their eighties and
nineties and have you know, opted to you know, pass on,
And I'm like, I get it. I get it. It's
just it's getting worse by the day. But we hate,
you know, I don't want to end it on a
sour note. We are grateful and thankful for you both
being here and we appreciate the love and the light

(01:33:22):
that you brought to this episode. And for those of
you who are listening, oh my god, it was such
a good time. And so I'm gonna do my spiel
and then we're gonna get to the get to the
you know, the finals. This is the saddest part where
we have to let y'all go, and I really hate that.
With that being said, please send us your thoughts, your
feedback and email to Blackfatfempod at gmail dot com. You

(01:33:42):
can also send us your thoughts via Instagram, Blue Sky Threads.
You can send them via Carrier Pigeon. However you want
to send us your thoughts, please send us your thoughts.
We would love to have them. Kim Kat, where can
folks find you?

Speaker 8 (01:33:56):
You can find us on all the social webs at
k Sam Podcast and you can listen to our podcast
anywhere you can find podcasts. It's called Kim and Katt's
Stay Alive Maybe.

Speaker 7 (01:34:08):
And we also have we have a new spin off
sister show that is hosted by me and my husband
who is also the producer of Kim and Katt's Stay Live.
It's called Major Slage Kat and Eric rewatch Buffy the
Vampire Slayer. So yes, that is on YouTube right now.

(01:34:32):
And Kim was already on an episode and she will
be forced to come back to many more Major Slage Pod.
It's at Major Slage Pod. And again it's a it's
a YouTube show. You can find us on TikTok, Instagram,
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
I love that so much.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Yeah, Kim, do you have any is it the same socials?

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
I just want to make sure that I'm not skipping
over you.

Speaker 8 (01:34:55):
Oh yeah, no At kk Sam podcast and also just
thank you so much for having us this. It was
like a great respite from the world.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
Yeah, yeah, really was because usually time we have really
deep conversations are really great. But I'm just like a
little like who I think this felt so just like
so nice and fun, just like talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Thank you for bringing so much fun and laughter that
I swear that Halloween I'm still thinking about it right
being in Michael Myers and Lululemens him closing them rings
took me out anyway, Joe, where can't the dolls find you?

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Michael's Michael Moles confessionals would be wild, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
You can find me at Jehoa Dann's, across all socials,
my website trails out there, and Joindale dot com. If
not there, you will find me trying my best to
stay home and stop being fast.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
But John will know, John will know that I will happened.
John will John will have me to say, bitch, why
are you out? Why is you here?

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Your location all the time. I'm like this, bitch is
not home.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
I've been taken like I just I just I just
woke up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Knowing always Mother is always out. I guarantee you're supposed
to leave today. I know you're gonna get up from
this and go do something before you get to the airport.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
That's why your ass is always tired. I stay on
face yes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
My flights at ten thirty pm. Greg got the whole day.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Grow and ass before you get on that plane.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
And that's why when I text you about something, you're
gonna be crying about putter, or even on Monday, when
I text you about something, your ass is gonna be tired.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Ah, I already know. I know my sister very well
in mine.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
You can find me down to the socials at Doctor
John Paul again, Black Fat Fin Pod everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
I also want to share their three So by the
time you hear.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
This, this goes up Tuesday morning, I will be in
New Orleans, and Friday I'm in Columbus, Ohio, and then
a week from then I will be in Minneapolis. I
don't want, I mean for friends, miss I'm missing. I'm
not doing I'm telling you right now, I love you.
I'm not doing any more bookstops after July eighth. I

(01:37:25):
have had people hit me and say, oh, I'm so
sorry I missed it. You missed it. I'm sorry, love,
you know, I just I can't. I've I've done twenty
stops for this book, and I am I am at
my capacity. So if you are in New Orleans, I
will see you then it is. And all of these
are free, that's the thing I want to say. Some
of them have not been. These last three ones are free.

(01:37:45):
So if you're a New Orleans Girly, it's free to join.
If you are Columbus Curly, it's free. If you're Minneapolis Curly,
it's free. We do have some other online stuff that's
coming up. I think like July fifteenth, I have something
that I'm doing online, and then there's talk of us
doing something online in August as well. But all that
to be said, I am just grateful that I've been
able to sell as many books as I've sold and

(01:38:08):
for all of the support and the love, and I
definitely want to say a real big, super deep shout
out to whose books I just like I said, came
back from Dallas, whose books in Dallas you will forever
have my heart y'all. The just the energy and the
love and the support like it was so like I
I'll say this and I don't want to make it
sound like no other places special, because every place is special.

(01:38:29):
But the way that I saw people like hustling in
from work to come to my book tour with this
like I gotta get I gotta get there, I gotta
hear John like it was just the most special. Like
I was watching people come in through the door, and
it just felt so special to see people so passionate
about being there for me and for my work. And
so I just really want to say thank you to

(01:38:49):
everybody who came out to Dallas and everyone who helped
make that happen. They are listeners to the show, my
pr doll, I want to say thank you so much,
Joy for all of the support you've given this book
tour and also the sport you give the podcast. I
know people listen to the show because of you, because
they will tell me, oh, Joy sent me. So I
definitely want to say just thank.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
You to that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
So with that being said, and uh, and I know
we're getting Like I said, I know we're going along.
I want to thank our producer Bay Wang for handling
all of the logistics, and everyone over at iHeartMedia for
keeping the show up and going. It's it's just it's
all love and I also want to say shout out
and thank that. We are so thankful to our wonderful editor,
Chris Rogers, because without him, we will not have no

(01:39:30):
audio or no visuals down to the tubes of you.
So thank you Chris, period, the daw and the love
that you are. Also yes again, continue to support us.
We've been nominated for the Full Figured Industry Awards, so
thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
For Outstanding Podcasts. So share that. Yes, come on ding
ding ding, shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
And I know that we put our name in for
a Signal Award, so hoping that that comes to fruition
as well. But with that being said, this has been
another show. Stay black, fat, femine, fabulous and remember what joho.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
We may not be your cup of tea, but girl,
get yourself some pa.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Light, some some water.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
You need all the above anyway, bitch Sky Yeah, all
your knees will get weak.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Amen, you probably need it anyway. I love them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Now, Oh Lord, get your honey cream honey. All right,
y'all love us by

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