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in the Hackensack Murder Hell Podcast studio. Keep getting better,
John Schmuck lands better with you. Hope everyone had a
fantastic weekend. We'll take your calls a little bit later
on in the show at two one nine, three, nine, four,
five one three. We've talked a ton about the draft
and now we're gonna feel here lance of what the

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Giants actual roster this year that they're gonna hit the
camp with that eventually hit the regular season with is
going to look like. So now we'll start turning the
page a little bit. We'll still believe it or not.
Three more weeks of no OTA's start to the last
week of May, so we've got some time to fill here, folks.
Would be the theme and we're gonna start taking a

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look at the Giants roster. We'll do a more general
look today and then we'll try to key in on
some things over in the course of the next couple
of weeks. So Lance, first of all, how are you
good to see it?

Speaker 5 (01:14):
I'm doing well, Absolutely good to see you, and I'm
completely with you. I would echo your sentiments. This is
now a bit of the quiet period after the busyness
of the draft, and now we sort of anticipate a
little bit of a build up towards the early stages
of June, because at this point they're not really doing
much activity.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
No media, Ville know nothing. Next week we will get
to schedule, so at least we'll have that to bang
around for a couple of days, which will be fun.
And then you've got at least some stuff at OTA's
in mini camp. And then we'll have the other slow
period from middle of June or end of June to
the middle towards the end of July, when again there's
just not a whole lot going, and we will take
a week or two off during that period as well.

(01:53):
Pearson wants to tie off. I know he's so spoiled,
but that but again. We'll carry for the next three months.
Tried a couple months, Well yeah, two and a half.
We'll try to do some fun stuff with you. We'll
do our team previews, we'll do some other stuff as well,
and stay tuned Dead of the show for a special
second which I think you probably won't enjoy it, but

(02:14):
I know Pearson Wilson. We'll get to that at the
end of the program. All right, two A one nine
one three. But get I don't want your bike on yet.
You pipe down over there.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well, I have to defend myself.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, defend yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Were you working from home a couple of days last week?
I did nice?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
But that sounds nice based on the number of podcasts
I delivered. Was I actually working from home? Sadly? I
had plumbers in my house for five hours on what
was that Friday? And if you guys know what chargers
plumbers charged per hour. Yeah, that was not fun. We

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had a few different things. We had our spigott outside
with the hose was leaking, so but you can't just
replace the spigott. It was also replaced the pipe heading
out to the spigott, and then they had to do
what it was a whole thing. So it was that.
And then when we moved into the house and said,
you know, people have like the Brita filters usually to
filter the water. We had an under the sink system,
so it kind of goes to those little like filters
under the sync and goes back up. Well, there was
one in the house when we moved in and finally

(03:11):
broke so we'd get a new one. And I looked
at it for about five minutes and I'm like, I'm
not gonna be able to do this. No, don't suggest that, right,
So the plumbers came in. They they they did the
sping it outside. There was a toilet that was running
to they had to fix that, and then they had
the filter system under the sink that day to do.
And then it's funny. I walked in about thirty minutes

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after they started doing it. I'm like, yeah, I would
have had no shot at this the parts everywhere. Yeah, absolutely,
And the guy goes, you probably would have called this
at about twenty minutes and I go, no, you're wrong.
I would have been yelling and screaming for twenty minutes
and then then I would have called it correct. So
that was not fun. But we do by the way,
we did Kurt Warner late last week. Is that up
be at Pierson, but it we'll be up at the

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end of the day today, so that'll be up in
the afternoon. We did Court a Cord Winner last week.
We got Corey Black's head coach, Mike Gundy from Oklahoma State,
so that'll be coming your way as well. And if
you guys haven't checked it out, look at that Chase Daniel
Giants little podcast that we had go up in the
last week two. A lot of stuff on Jackson Dark
coming up next couple of weeks that I think you
guys will really enjoy. All right, But for today, and
we'll probably get to the point here, we're gonna break

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down and rank what we think the Giants' best position
groups are. We did this last year. Lance and I
had very different rankings last year, which I think was fun.
We'll do it again this year. We'll see where we're
at and then we'll take your calls. We love to
get your rankings on what you think the Giants' best
position group is, what they're maybe the group that needs
the most help might be, and then we'll go from there.
So Lance, just to talk about the basis of what

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I did here. I had three major categories that I
looked at in each group, and this is I think
my order of importance as well. So is there a
difference maker in the group? That was the first one.
Do you have a star that's going to make a
difference in that clip? That to me was the most
important thing for me. Number two this was the second
most important thing. Is there a hole in the starting
lineup where you're like, I don't know how good this

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guy is? Number three? Is there a concern with depth
those are? And the fourth one that was kind of
a little bonus. Is there a young player with promise
that you're developing. I kind of like that to be
part of the mix too. But those are my three
major criteria when I looked at each one of these groups. Yeah,
I would boost number three. I think three. I know
you would. Well listen, it's a favorite term of mine.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
But there's substance behind it, both literally and figuratively speaking.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
This is why our ranking can be a little bitfre
which is good because think about it.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
I try to look at this exercise also as worst
case scenario armageddon. You have to act like that, And
first of all, everybody's gonna stay healthy for all seventeen games. Okay,
I understand there's optimists out there, but even the ideal
optimist has to come to the realization all eleven starters
on either side of the ball, they're not playing all

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seventeen games. So if you don't feel good about the
third and fourth player, depending on how many starters you
have at a given position, yeah, I'd say that position's
in trouble. John, So I looked at that as really
number one, and then yes, I took it to consideration.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Is there an all Pro caliber player in the mix?
Is there a difference maker?

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Is there a guy that defenses need to think about
or vice versa offenses need to game plan around. That's
the two key pieces of criteria that I focused on
when I put these rankings together.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
And by the way, if you're watching the streaming on
YouTube or in the Giants app, you like our new
fancy l rap that we have in there. So we
started that with the draft. Now we're gonna have it
in there, and eventually we're gonna put Pierce in a
work and put some really cool stuff in that bottom
tracker thing. He's thrilled by the way yeah, yeah, he
can tell he's always looking to do.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Yes, yeah, I mean he doesn't have enough computer screens
in front of them right now. Yes, I think we
could add a graphics computer on top of that.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
At least there's tons of space in there, that's true.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, well, because today you don't have seventy five people
on top.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Of you, Peerson, so we could breathe a little bit. Yeah,
all right, what why don't you go one and then
I'll go to and then we'll kind of go back
and forth.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Sure, my honor, at my pleasure. I really how much
you put thought into allowing me to go first.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I greatly appreciate. Well. Number one on my list is Edge.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
That's where I went me in terms of starting the
positional rankings, and it goes back to the criteria that
we talked about. You've got Brian Burns, who to me
is a difference maker. He's a guy that draws the
attention of the opposing offensive line. Then depth. Okay, well
you got cave On Thibodeau. I really like the addition
of Chauncey Golston. I think that's one of their most

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underrated john free agent signings this year because he was
coming off a breakout campaign with the Cowboys, and you're
not asking him to come in and be a monster.
But you know what, if Golsta could give you four
and a half to five sacks this season and be
a rotational, productive player, Hey, mission accomplished. Another guy that
I wouldn't overlook is Victor d. Mukagee, who had a

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breakout year two years ago. And if you noticed about
his numbers, it's not so much on the line of
what he did over sixteen seventeen games, it's what he
did with respect to his snap count. He's also an
underrated guy if he can carve out roster spot. And
two guys that they brought into me are interchangeable. Jeremiah
Ledbetter has played both positions.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I would slide him to defense, you, okay.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Zoy Robertson Harris also has been interchangeable.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I was talking. I hope both those guys at DT.
I think that's fine. I was talking. The only reason
is that I talked to somebody last week about it,
and they see Roy Robertson Harris is kind of like
that three technique type, and they see Ledbetter as the
backup to Dexter and nose tackle, believe it or not. Okay,
so I would slide him into the defensive tackle category.
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I mean, I look at what both of them did
specifically in Jacksonville and Roy Robertson Harris was with Seattle
last season. I have him penciled in next to Decks
as the main star. But ledbetter to me as a
guy that has a lot of time a defensive end
throughout the course of his career. So that's why I
was willing to throw him in there. But once again,
I'm going to now the fifth sixth guy on the
depth chart.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
You're missing one important guy there, by the.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Way, in terms of edge, Yes, well the guy that
they just dressed. Yes, he's not your lips, so I
know well well no, Well, I know the rookies like
the back of my hand, so I'm not too overly concerned.
This is only a preliminary list.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Make sure he had Victor d Bukaji on the list well.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
First of all, in fairness, Abdul Carter has not played
one snap again, and I don't give guys the benefit
of the doubt in this exercise because you can't assume
that a guy is gonna come in and all of
a sudden take the league by storm. That's not how
the league operates, So that's another reason why he wasn't
on this list.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I'm with you, though, I think your breakdown is strong.
I would definitely certainly put Abdul Carter on there. I
think when all said and done, he might have the
second most STAPs at that position group over the course
of the year. You have two guys that you can't
single team on the outside, or if you do, do
it at your own peril. Keevon Thibodau can beat single
teams as well. And I'm with you. I think Chauncey
Golsen was an underrated guy here, and I'm also going

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to include him in my defensive tackle group because he's
gonna be a three technique pass rusher, you know. I
think Roy Robinson Harris is probably more of an early
down player at three technique, and then Golston I will
be a guy that reduces into there on passing a
pass rushing down, specifically third downs. Yeah, all right, So
I'm going to my my group here. I'll go on
number two. I went running back here, Lance and I

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think Tyrone Tracy has the talent to be very good
running back. There's no all pro Pro bowler in this group,
at least not yet. I love Scam Scataboo coming out
of the draft again. Guy guy can do everything. And
then I think Devin Singletary is somebody that can do
everything too. So you have three running backs in that group, Won,
a reliable veteran Won, a young veteran in Tracy heading
into a second year, and then a rookie in Scataboo.

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Three guys that are really interchangeable. To me, you can
put any one of those three on the field and
any down and feel good about it, whether it's pass,
pro receiving, rushing. They're all complete running backs. And if
one goes down and you got to go to war
with the other two guys, it's just as a two
headed monster in the backfield. You could do that too.
So I think you feel good about maybe not an

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extremely high ceiling of play, but a better than average
running back starter along with good depth of veteran and
there's no hole. So I think while maybe nothing you
know knocks you off your chair, I think the group
it's a very safe group and you're gonna get very
good production out of the group, no matter which one
of those three guys is in the lineup.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, I had running back three, so I mean we
were in the same vicinity. I would share a lot
of the same sentiments that you just throughout. Plus I
wouldn't overlook I mean, we don't know how many guys
are going to make the roster, but I think there's
still potential with Eric Gray and also Turbo who is
still a young player too. So there's actually guys behind
the top three that you listed that you know, I

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would be okay if they made it as the third
or fourth running back.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
There's at least some potential there.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Singletary has had starting experience where he could carry the load.
We know what Tyrone Tracy could do based on a
very productive rookie year, and Cam'skataboo was probably one of
my favorite picks, if not the most favorite pick, especially
once you get into the middle later rounds, because of
his collegiate resume and the versatility that he brings to
the table, not just his power running but also his

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ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. So
that's why I put running back in the same territory.
But I had them number three.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay, So what's your number.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Two on my list. Maybe a surprise to some, but
it goes back to what we were talking about. I
had offensive tackle as number two. Andrew Thomas is an
All Pro. By the way, this is where it gets tough,
Like this was not an easy exercise.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
No, not at all. I thought it was very difficult.
You go backwards and forwards, and there's no right or
wrong answers.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Remember in this exercise, it's to each their own in
terms of how they view players and so forth. But
Andrew Thomas, unlike the running back group. Okay, you have
an All Pro. Now you hope he could stay healthy.
But hey, I don't have a crystal.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Ball and Lance. I had them at four and the
Andrew Thomas injury stuff made me drop them there. And
that's understandable. I get that. It's just I can't. He
just hasn't stayed on the field consistently enough. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
I just the reason why I elevated tackle was I
think they have some options behind the starters, Guys that
have starting experience, not guys that you're drafted and.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
You're hoping for something.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
You're talking about players that have also been interchangeable a
little bit, right tackle, left tackle, and I'm talking about
James Hudson and Stone foresyth And in previous years, more
often than not, the Giants had been relying on John
somebody that maybe they had drafted in the mid to
later rounds they were hoping would make a jump, and
josh A Zudu, I'll throw into this category two. So

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I think there's a little bit more proven talent at
this position to make me feel not overwhelmingly confident. But
God forbid Andrew Thomas or Jermaine Luminor goes down and
you need a spot start or two from one of
those other guys that you're not throwing a guy into
a baptism by fire situation. You're turning to somebody that

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at least has been out there, not as a swing guy,
but that has had a number of games under their belt.
And those, of course are Hutson and forth Sight. So
that's what changed my philosophy this year, maybe as opposed
to us having this conversation at this time last year.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, I'm not sure I've seen an enough from James
Hudson yet, because I just haven't seen him up close
and personal to be like, all right, you have to
start him. You're great I know the people. The Browns
let him walk, right, he could have been their swing tackle,
and they let him walk out the door for not
an exorbitant if the reports are correct, the exorbitant amount
of money. So I want to see more with him.
But I'm with you there. They're kind of in this
middling group that I was going back and forth on, Okay,

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my number three. Now I'm up to you, right, I'm
gonna go defensive tackle. And again the emphasis herees you
have Dexter Lawrence there, who might be the best defensive
tackle on football, which is a huge part of this.
And even though maybe you can argue that you don't
know who the second starter is really and again the
Giants are and Nickel most of the time. So I'm

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considering the not the three man line. I'm thinking about
the two man line.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
You might not know who that second guy is every down,
so I think maybe there is a little bit of
a gap in that starting lineup. But you already mentioned
a couple of the players you have led better. You
have Roy Robertson Harris, you have the young developmental guy
in Darius Alexander that I think you really like. I
like again on third downs, chewing Golds reducing into a
three technique pass rusher. So I'll include him in that
group here because I think he will get a significant

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amount of time as a pass rusher on third downs.
And then you know you have other young guys. DJ
Davidson still here, Jordan Riley still here, Casey Rodgers is
still here, and then Nacho the veterans still here. There's
just so much depthier Lands that I lean into the
depth argument with this one. So you nail two out
of three on this one, which is why they land
in the third spot. For me, you got the superstar
and then you have a ton of depth, So that's

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why they kind of push their way into the three
spot for me.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
They were number five for me. My concern with this
position group is not volume. My concern is, and we
saw this last season when Des gets hurt, is there
somebody that moves the needle John enough? And I understand
realistically you're not gonna get in all Pro, but are
you gonna get somebody that can up the ante in

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terms of the sack total, can help collapse the pocket,
not just a guy that's gonna stop the run. I'm
just not seeing it on paper. Yet and that's what
concerns me. So my hesitancy with this group was more
of the lack of production at the pass rushing position
within the defensive tackle group, and that's why I held
them back. They made the top five, which is an

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accomplishment in its own based on my very tough standards,
but I still I need to see somebody if you
got to a situation where decks not to say he's
gonna miss the season, but let's say he misses four
to five games, are you going to get a drop
off like we saw last season? And my answer right
now is I would be concerned about that drop off.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, so my top three or edge, running back, defensive tackle.
You have edge at one, offensive tackle, two running back
at THREECE, and let's use your number four in position. Now,
this is a big jump from last year. Quarterback.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
I have number four, and one is I think they
made a really big upgrade based on the personnel. Russell Wilson. Okay,
he's not necessarily an All Pro at this stage into
his career, but he has a wealth of experience. I mean,
you could take everybody on the roster last year, combine
them and Russ still run circles around them. But you
have a good guy that protects the football and is

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a good decision maker, and that to me counts for
a lot. Jamis Winston is another guy with a lot
of experience, and then you have the grooming potential in
Jackson Dart. So I think where they are on paper
at least this year compared to where they were last
year is night and day. And I also took that
into consideration. Why I move them up immensely.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I think there were eleven for me last year
or something like that. I have them at seven, So
I'm with you. I have them right in the kind
of the middle of the group here because again, you
don't have a difference maker. There's not a hole in
the starting line up lads. Remember the Steel Loos. Though
could have brought Russell Wilson back, they chose not to.
And then the depth is great, so you have two
guys that have started the game teams. And then again
I'm gonna give a little bonus to the group because

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you have the young quarterback you're developing, because I like
that as part of the mix. So I'm with you.
I have them at number seven. I think I feel
better about the room in total than I have here,
probably since Eli was backed up by Gino Smith. I
think it's probably as good as I felt about the
group since that time. To be totally honest with you.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, in terms of the starting experience for numbers one
and two on the depth chart.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Okay, so that's your four, my number four, and I
have the quarterbacks at seven. My number four is safety,
and I'm leaning in here because I think you do
have a difference maker in Javon Holland. He doesn't have
the hardware yet to show that, yeah, in terms of
the Pro Bowls, in the All Pro, but I believe
he can be that type of player. So maybe I'm
anticipating a little bit here rather than going off track Redick,
which is fine. I think Tyler Newban hanging into a

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second year as an ascending player. The reason Safety did
not get higher is that, how about the depth? You know,
behind them, you have Dame Belton, who's played a bunch,
he has improven, he can start, and then after that,
I mean giant fans. I know the names, but if
I pulled what one hundred giant fans that called into
the show, Lance and I listened to Anthony Johnson Junior,

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Raheem Lane McCary Page and Tommy McCormick. How many Giant
fans would know more? And heck, one of those guys
and be very familiar.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
With I'd say very slim, if not none. Heck, if
those three guys walked down the streets of Manhattan, they.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Walked down the Hallway, Yeah, you know, expand our horizons.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
If they walk down some random street in Manhattan and
you had the most die hard Giants fans that you
could come up with, I would still be confident that
the die hard Giants fans would not recognize.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
And I should note, by the way, two of those
names are reported additions as undrafted rookie free Just I'm
just reading off the Hour Lads depth chart here. The
Giants have not confirmed any of those guys in and
undrafted guys That list usually gets usually not released until
the morning of the start of mini camp on Friday,
so I wouldn't hold your breath on that guys. But again,
I'm just going off the depth chart here. So again

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I think depths in issue there lands for safety. But
I really loved the two starters so much I was
willing to put them up here. At number four.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, and I had Safety in the same vicinity. Safety
was just outside my top five. I have them as
number six, okay, but I'm just as concerned about you
as the depth. I mean, the fact that Dan Belton
can at least be somebody that can correct be thrown
in in the event that Holland or Nuban gets hurt
makes you feel somewhat comfortable because Belton has been exposed

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to snaps in previous years. But if you lose two
of these guys, John, I mean, that is a huge
question mark, a huge wild card. So I like the
potential of Holland, but remember it's a proven commodity. Holland
is a really good player, but at least from a
recognizable standpoint across the league, he hasn't gotten the recognition

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yet compared to a Dexter Lawrence or Andrew Thomas, some
of the other proven commodities that we were talking about.
So that's why I wasn't willing to boost up Safety.
They're just outside my top five.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Okay, So you have we've talked about all of your
top six right now. That's right, all right, So my
number five has not been mentioned yet, So let me
give that was. That's what your next one is too,
and then we can I'll let you take a lead
on but my number five is wide receiver. They are
your number seven if I'm not If I'm seeing that
is pretty right, yep. And why don't you take the

(21:09):
lead on this and then I'll kind of follow up
on it. Why do you have receiver at seven?

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Well, receiver is seven for me because of concerns about depth.
I'd say that's the number one question mark. You've got Neighbors,
you have Slade, and you have Robinson. Behind those three, John,
they did bring in Zach Pascal and little Jordan Humphrey. Okay,
you got some veterans, but those two in particular haven't
necessarily been wowmy guys at their previous stops for a

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variety of reasons, whether it's injury, opportunity, you name it.
They're going with some young potential outside of those two.
So you look at Wandel Robinson. Has it been the
poster child of health, Darius Slayden has dealt with some
injuries in his career. You know, Neighbors has only had
one year under his belt. Miss Jay and Hied on
your list, Yeah, hiat two is another guy. But you know,

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once again high in ennis snap counts last season, where
does he fit in? I think he alone is in
interest conversation we could talk about before even discussing the
rest of the receiver position. So he gets thrown into
the depth conversation which right now may have bodies and volume,
but not a lot of substance behind that. So that's
why wide receivers to me with seven, Remember this exercise

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is not about neighbors. Is great, he's a special player,
but one guy alone doesn't necessarily rescue an entire position group.
And you have to at least think to that line.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
And I think that's why why they got pushed up
a little bit more for me, because that's my number
one criterias or a difference maker. That's what they got
at five to me for seven. For you. My concern here, Alance,
is that they just resigned Darius Slayton. He's a really
good player. But again, if you look at what the
reported contract is on him, his salary is in line
for what a number three wide receiver would normally make, right,

(22:47):
maybe even a little bit less. Like look what Gabe
Davis's contract is. He's he's a number three all right,
and then compare that to Darius that hasn't made a
little less than that either, right, So they don't have
a true number two like Wando has improven. He's like
a legit number two wide receiver. I love Wando, he's great,
but he hasn't put up that consistent production year a
year yet. And again Slayton has proven that he's really

(23:09):
good at what you want him to do. But again,
look what the market just was for him. It was
the market of a number three wide receiver. Number two
wide receivers in the National Football League now are making
twenty million dollars, Like, that's what it is. So I'm
making thirty Go talk to Jay and'ahnell and t Higgins, right,
So I don't know if you have that number two
that's going to consistently make you pay if you pay

(23:32):
too much attention to the neighbors. So that's kind of
where I'm looking at here. You have Hiatt. I think
you can still develop him a little bit. You mentioned
a couple of the bigger Vets that are also going
to be special teams players like Pascal and little Jordan Humphrey,
who I think could be nice players. And again little
Joorhan Humphrey. Again, they playing some tight end people see
about that. I don't know, But so that's why I
have them at five. I'm just worried about the lack
of a true, like tried and true number two. Like

(23:56):
just look at the division. Deebo Samuel is the number
two receiver for the Commanders, DeVante Smith is the number
two wide receiver for the Eagles. Now the Cowboys also
lacking up two number two. In fact, I'd argue I
think the Giants receiver corps is actually better than Dallas
right now. I think you know, Slaton has more pelts
on the wall than whoever the number two is in Dallas'
wide receiver room. So but again, that's what I would

(24:17):
say looking at that wide receiver. As much as I
love the players and I think they'll do a nice job,
you don't have somebody that's proven that they're like a
pure number two wide receiver yet.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, I mean the Cowboys, you're looking at Jalen Tolbert,
who has shown some flashes. He's their third round pick
from twenty twenty two, and they acquired Jonathan Mingo, remember
from the Carolina Panthers late last season.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Who's done less than you know, I would put Mingo
in kind of.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
The highest category, right, like third year guys, there's still
sort of looking for that potential. And then Cavante Turpin
who's been a special teamer, but he's also been a
speedster that they've utilized on offense. So you could say
there's question marks after C.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
D lamp. I don't think that's a stretch at all.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
I mean they're also looking for, you know, maybe some
of their younger guys through the pipeline to maybe have
an opportunity to steal some snaps here or there. But
the way that I would look at, just to add
to what you said with respect to the Giants receiving.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Core is and let's stay in the division.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
If you are Dallas's defensive coordinator, Washington's DC, and Philadelphia's DC,
and you're playing the Giants this week, okay, and you're
talking to your entire secondary and you're going through the
scouting report and you're saying, okay, guys, this is what
we need to be aware of when we're playing the Giants.
You're gonna point out things about Russell Wilson and his tendencies.
You're gonna say Okay, this is what neighbors does we

(25:30):
really need to maybe roll a safety over give him attention.
I don't think you're necessarily having an entire dissertation on
Wandel Robinson and Darius Lane. And that's not in disrespect
to those guys. It's just they're not putting fear in
the eyes of specifically the division opposition where they're staying
up late at night John and they're overly concerned about

(25:53):
how those two guys are going to be backbreakers.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think you would say, watch out for their speed.
Let's playing in Hyatt specif because they can win over
the top. But otherwise, yes, I'm with you, all right.
I think the funny thing here, Lance, our top sevens
are both exactly are both the same, So the same
seven positions aren't each of our top sevens, which means
we're in agreement on what the bottom four position groups are.
And this was this was kind of where the cut

(26:16):
off point was for me, where I felt really good
about quarterback at seven and then I had trouble ordering
these final four. I don't know if this is that's
kind of how you fell with that. So I'll go
with my number eight. Since you let off with wide receivers.
Last my eighth position here is guard center. And for
a few reasons. One, I don't think there is a

(26:36):
hole in the starting lineup right Greg Van Roten showd
he can be a good starter. Last year, John Runyon
Chody can be good starter. Last year. We'll see about
John Michael Schmid if he keeps getting better. But there's
not a gaping hole there where you're like, oh boy,
you know this is this is gonna murder you. But
there's no difference maker right now. You know there's not
one Pro Bowl YEP or pro or pro in the group. Right,
and then I feel okay about the depth, which is

(26:58):
why I think I pushed them ahead of the other three.
Aaron Stiny's been in the league a long time, He's played
a lot. I think Jake Kubas is somebody that could
elevate himself to one of the primary backups this year.
They loved his development last year. They're very high on him.
In the building, you have a young developmental player and
Marcus Bow And then again, maybe this is me being
too optimistic. I still believe that Evan Neil could be
a good guard. I think with his movement ability, his

(27:20):
size and his strength. He has it in him to
be a good guard in the National Football League. We'll
see if that develops. We'll see if he can actually
stay healthy for an offseason where he can work on this.
That's been a big problem with him, guys. He hasn't
been able to work in the off season because he's
always hurt. He hasn't been able to develop. So I
went guard center here at number eight because I like
the depth lance even though you don't have those difference makers.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
At the top.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Yeah, and the lack of the difference makers, I guess
was what held this group back for me. I have
them tenth on the list, ten of eleven, ten of eleven.
I'm not as optimistic about the depth perhaps as you
painted it. Not to say that they don't have volume
and options, but you know, Evan Neil, we have never
seen play guard in the NFL, so that's you banking

(28:00):
on things. Bo hasn't played one NFL snap. Aaron Stinney
is a veteran player, but there's a reason why he's
been limited in terms of opportunities throughout his career. I
think Greg Van Rodin proved that he can be a starter.
I guess when I was going through the offensive line,
my feeling was Andrew Thomas, even with the injury concern
has proven that he can be a Pro Bowl, All

(28:23):
Pro caliber player. John Michael schmidts between the injury concerns
still and even at his finest full health, has not
proven that he can be an All Pro, Pro Bowl
caliber player. So that was also part of my thinking
as to.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Why I had them tenth out of eleven. And that's fine,
all right, so why don't you go to your number eighth? Then? Yeah,
eighth for me was cornerback.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
The addition of Pollard ninety both by the way, so
basically in the same category, same vicinity. Deontay Banks, who
clearly has shown some potential, you still want to see
some more conssicity, Drew Phillips I think is an ascending
potential player, or they'll Flott has experience, and you know
Corey Black who they just recently drafted. But you know,
I'll focus more on the top heaviness of this group,

(29:08):
Debo and Banks. I think you feel good about your
two edge cornerbacks. You know, Phillips at the slot, Flot
is a guy that can move around. You know, these
are not four players where you're saying, what do we
have in them? I think you've seen enough at least
on the field in the NFL, where you've got a
good grasp of what you have in this group. You
certainly want to see better consistent production.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
But especially from Banks, and I think that's where I
look on this one. Well, that's the guy of all
that you'd circle.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
And in fairness, listen at Deebo's a nice addition, but
he's coming off an injury. Then whether or not he
can hold up has to be in the back of
your mind. But if those two guys can a stay
on the field, I think there's at least some good
upside in that group before you even entertain what is
playing behind them.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I'm with you, I thin again one of my is
there a difference make? I don't think the Deebo's ever
made a Pro Bowl, right, No, he's so you don't
have a guy that would categorize as a difference maker.
Drew Phillips I think is a chance of develop into
one of the top slock corners. He's not there yet.
Is there a hole in the starting lineup? Deonty Banks
has to play better. I'm not willing to call that

(30:17):
a hole. But am I testing? Am I walking around
like testing the floor a little bit?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
You want to see more? Sure, I want to test
the floor. And look, they know Deante Banks has to
play better. I've seen him play better. I know he
can play better. He's a very talented guy and he cares.
It's a good kid. I think he can play a
lot better. You know, maybe with the you know, coach
Manuel in here, you can get some better play at
him and Jeff Burris at corners. You can kind to

(30:43):
get more out of him as a as a defensive back.
So and again, just once you get past flot you
have your top four. You know, you have Corey Black
who's a seventh round pick who's no guarantee to even
make the team, Trey Hawkins, Art Green, Nick Jones. You know,
these are guys where you don't know what they're gonna
give you, right. So that's why I have them at

(31:05):
nine because to your point, the depth past the top
four is not great. And then you worry about your
number two outside corner, which is part of it getting
quarter flat. Is that trouble staying healthy too, So you
can throw that into the mix. There as well. All right,
I will go with my number ten beause I quarterback
in nine. So I'm at my tenth team, tenth position,

(31:25):
and I have tight end there. Quarterback at nine or seven?
I thought I quarterback at seven, I say cornerback. I'm sorry, sorry,
So I tight end at number ten. Again, no difference
maker at that position. And is there a hole in
the starting lineup. No, But I mean THEO Johnson's been

(31:46):
the league for a year, right, Daniel Bellinger has been
in the league a couple of years. You have Thomas Madoni,
who I'm a huge fan of, very high on him
as a guy that can come in and do something.
Chris Manners is a reliable blocking tight and you feel
great about so I think the depth theory is very good.
But you, I mean, you don't know if you have
a top twenty starter in the league at this position yet,

(32:06):
you know, you just don't know what THEO Johnson is.
You don't know what these young guys are yet. So
that's why to me, they're at number ten. I think
THEO Johnson is a real good chance to be a
really good two way receiving why in line blocking type
of titand that could do it all. But again just
one year in end of the year injured. We'll have
to see where he goes next year.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
I had tight end at number nine. So once again,
same area in terms of what you were talking about.
Greg Dolcich is another guy I throw into the tyerstition.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Ye, another veteran.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Yeah, they have a cluster of players where you're not,
once again using my defensive coordinator conversation, you're not worried
about the group overall, and even some of the individuals
that those are the guys who have to take away
from the game planner that you're worried about them doing damage.
But I think that they have at least options in

(32:55):
the receiving game. They have options in terms of blocking
it the line of scrimmage. The tight end group doesn't
have to be sexy by trade. Okay, you could get
away if you just have a group of guys that
can fill various roles, especially since let's be realistic, Okay,
and this was how I was looking at the tight
end position. There's only one ball to go around, okay,

(33:17):
and Neighbors is gonna get a lot of targets.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm sure this season.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yes, we're also gonna see the running backs get some targets.
We're gonna see Slade and Wandel Robinson get some targets. THEO,
probably of all the tight ends, is the guy that
you could bank on every game being involved in the
game plan. Yeah, I would say he really so outside
of THEO John, realistically speaking, who else, even if you

(33:41):
had two other names that are more intriguing, are realistically
going to play enough snaps and get enough targets At
this point where I'm worried overwhelmingly about the tight end position.
So if anything, I'm looking at this group. Can the
guys block more so than can they run routes and
do damages receiver? And that's why that thinking had them

(34:04):
perhaps slightly higher than you did.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
And then I guess we're both of us. The final
position on our list is inside linebacker, right it away?

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Yeah, Well, you like Bobby o'caraka until he got hurt
last season, so there's a little bit of a concern there.
Mike McFadden's been a staple, but I mean after those
two guys, John, and you saw what happened when oh
Karaka went down late last season. You know, Darius Muissau
has shown some flashes, but we're talking about a very

(34:32):
small minute sample size. Deontay Johnson, an undrafted player who
you know made a significant jump out of Toledo, so
you know the jury is still out there. And then
after that, it's basically it would be the same thing
as we were talking about with the safety position. If
you had a lot of these other guys walk down
a random street in Manhattan. I don't even think some

(34:54):
of the Dieharts would recognize them.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Special teams guys at least one linka before they got here.
You know, Flanning in full and Chris board that will
play mostly special teams, but heck, maybe they can step
in a play linebacker too. I'm with you, and I'll
just throw on long term. Lancey Summers, Yeah, last year
of Mike and McFadden's contract, Bobby Ocaake third year of
a big contract he signed yea and Darius Moussau just
second year as a rookie. So just moving ahead with

(35:17):
the Giants, I think you know their biggest needs still
moving forward is to making sure you have that second
really good guard across from running long term solution at
that position. You hope it's Evan Neil. If you can
get a chance to do it this year, maybe you
can develop into him and resign him. He could do that.
Oh yeah, Grey Vanmerone could start this year, but he's
thirty three years old to thirty four years old, whatever,
you so that's not a long term thing. And then
inside linebacker I think will be another one. And then

(35:40):
offensive tackle just because Jermaine Iluminor is on the last
year of his contract and you got to figure out
what you're doing at that spot. So those would be
the three spots for me, lance that I would kind
of keep an eye on in terms of like your
next set of needs when you're thinking about the draft
next year that you're looking ahead into the future as
positions that you kind of need to fill out a
little bit. The reason I input tight end in there

(36:00):
is because you have so many young guys. I hope
one of those guys steps up for you. I hope
Deontay Banks a corner steps up plays well. Then you
don't have to worry about falling the spot at cornerback either.
But those are the spots that I will kind of
keep an eye on here and then if yeah, that
to kind of, you know, try to improve those spots.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Moving forward, well, linebackers still needs to be a top priority.
It was a position we talked about leading into the
draft because remember they struggled mightily in stopping the run
last season, John, and you could say, okay, well, the
goal is if you have better play up front, then
that alleviates the.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Play of the linebackers.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Of our linebackers correct is still critical and you can't
expect that every single play the defensive line is gonna
stop the guy from penetrating. They're gonna get to the
second level of your defense. It's going to happen, and
it's gonna happen quite often. So that means that your
linebackers better be in position to prevent that running back
from getting to the third tier against the safety or

(36:53):
the corner on the perimeter. And once again, if o'kara,
kay and McFadden go down and the Giants have to
look at giving Muisau and Johnson a lot more playing time,
you know that could become troublesome and problematic. And that's
where you could tell me all you want about the
attractiveness of the guys up front and how they have options.

(37:16):
But that goes away, John, quickly. If there's no, I
call the linebackers. Those are your cleanup guys. Okay, those
are the guys that wear the hard hats.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
They bring their lunch pails to work every day, and
they do the dirty work. It's not always flashy, it's
not always sexy, but they do enough of the work
that prevents a small issue from all of a sudden
becoming a major problem. And if you don't feel good
about the interior play of your linebackers, that could whittle

(37:47):
away at the rest of the structure infrastructure, specifically of
your defense. So I would put that position right now,
even as we're evaluating it, miles ahead of what still
remains a concern to me as you pointed a long
term interior guard play.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
All right, let's get to your calls, folks. Two one nine, three, nine,
four to five one three again my list, just real quickly.
Edge running back, defensive tackle, safety, receiver, offensive tackle, quarterback, guard, center, cornerback,
tight end, linebacker at lance. What was yours from.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Chian's edge offensive tackle, running back, quarterback, defensive tackles, safety,
wide receiver, cornerback, tight end, guard, center, rounded out by linebacker.

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us off. Marisa Montclair has been holding the longest. Then
we'll get to Joe and Chris worries. What's going on?

Speaker 6 (39:01):
Hey, how's it go on, guys, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (39:03):
We're good?

Speaker 6 (39:05):
Hey man, Listen. You guys touched on a lot of
the things that I was going to reference, uh surf
sort of like the line back in depth and the
offensive line. And primarily you touched on something specific, John
that I really liked, Me and my boys talked about
was the wide receivers as far as us not having
like a significant number two guys but here's the deal.

(39:26):
While I was sitting back listening to you guys, this
was also something on my mind. Can we figure out
what Graham Gano's gonna do. If he's gonna if he's
gonna be the guy, can he kick? Can he actually kick?
I love Graham, but I heard him, you know, I
think I heard him discuss something last season where he said,
like you know what I did. He didn't want to
bail out. You know, he wanted to uphold on the

(39:48):
contract and he wanted to fulfill that. But like you know,
he dealt with injuries and the bumps and knicks and bruises.
You know, what's the deal with with Graham? And I
had I had one more, one more, But like you
can just quake that down for a second, if.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, Maurice, I'll do it quickly. I don't really have
much of an update on Graham yet. You know, the
guys are just entering phase two of their offseason workouts today,
so they hit the field literally for the first time.
I don't have an update on Graham. I gotta be
honest with you. Well, we'll get to talk to the
players in a few weeks, Maurice, But as of now,
the fact that Giants have not brought in another placekicker
would intimate to me that they feel pretty good at

(40:24):
moving forward with with where they are with Graham, and
I think that's kind of where.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
We said though, they could very well bring in another
leg for training camp if they don't want to overwork
Graham Gano.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I wouldn't necessarily rule that out. But the fact that
Jude Mcatomny's in the building as well, yeah, way.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
So, I mean, I don't think that there's an overwhelming
amount of concern given the fact that there wasn't a
lot of dialogue about that in the off season. I'm
sure based on his injury. I mean, I don't know
if he had any offseason procedure. I don't want to
speak out a line, but I'm sure he took care
of his body in any way possible given what he
dealt with last season, and keep it my remember it

(40:57):
was early in the year and those are the killers.
Is when you get hurt early in the year and
things linger, you don't have the time, even with a
bye week, to overcome that. So, I mean, that's the
big reason why last year was troublesome for him, because
it happened relatively early in the year.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Gotcha, Okay, I just want to wrap up with saying this, Hey, John,
I heard you say a few episodes ago, and I
swear I loved it. You said that Abdul walked around
with a swagger in the edge to him. No more
choir boys. The Giants has done good thus far in
the draft. Continue to bring in guys that has this mentality.
And lastly, what was the last thing I was talking about? Oh,

(41:39):
Joe Shane ain't done. I think Joe Shane ain't done.
I think looking back at his back record, I feel like,
you know, he's probably not done adding to the team.
And John, can you do me a favor, because you're
so good at it, could you just give us the
listeners like a landscape or like what's out there left
in free agency? In case you know, you know Joe
Shane wanted to go back in there and probably add

(41:59):
a few assets.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
He's a good question. I don't have that list in
front of me. How about we say that for tomorrow show.
I think Paul and I will look for a topic
for tomorrow. Why don't we Why don't we tackle remaining
free agents in the market? I think that might not
be a bad idea, but the Giants will have to
free up some money in order to make those signings.
Based on some of the public available information out there,
the Giants are pretty tight right now in terms of
money they have available. So you would have to probably

(42:20):
renegotiate a couple or just you know, convert some money
to signing bonus on guys like Dexter and Andrew Thomas
and guys like that in order to make that work.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
But well, and remember if guys are still on the
free agent market, there's a variety of reasons. Some it's
a product of they just don't want to be in camp.
A lot of veterans think that way, but you know
others either maybe they had off season surgeries. I just
if you're a fan thinking that there's gonna be a
huge difference maker walking through that door at the beginning

(42:49):
of July or late July for the start of training camp,
I think you gotta be a little bit more realistic
in terms of how you think.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
But you can even look at the roster. Every year
is different.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Last year, you know who came in at that time
in the summer that you look back and say, wow,
made a tremendous differenceation. I mean, even go back a
few years now, I'm trying to think of in my mind, John,
the only example that I could think of, and this
is back when the Giants added Leon Hall, the former
Bengal secondary player. Right, if you remember, that's the best

(43:21):
example I could give you. When Leon came in, he
was a nice late addition, and I thought he made
an impact.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
But I'll say Greg van Rode last year, okay, right,
he didn't sign till what June? No, actually it was
late July, right, Greg? Last year they started seventeen games.
So that to me, is the type of guy you're
looking for. And if you look at the guys that
are out there, it's glanced to your point to veterans
that probably are okay, not going offseason program stuff. I'll
just go off of the spot track list real quick.

(43:51):
Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper, a wide receiver, Shaq Mason, Brandon Sheriff.
On the offensive line, Matt Judon, Preston Smith, Zadarius Smith.
In terms of pass rushers, Von Miller is a pass
rusher on I'm but he's gonna retire, right, von Miller.
I mean he's at the talent end of his career.
We you know, we talked about wide receivers. You know,
there's rumors of Marik Cooper might be going back to Dallas.
I know Jerry Jones apparently would be a fan of that.

(44:13):
But you know, Justin Simmons at safety along with Marcus Williams,
you know those types of guys. Steven Stefan Gilmore is
a player that's signing back to Dallas too.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Actually, oh really some talk, yeah, really even after they
drafted Ravella. That's but there's been some talk at least
that there's been some conversation. I'm not saying that anything's imminent,
but it's possible.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
We're Stuell Douglas is still a free agent. He's a
good player. Yeah, So there are some guys that are
out there, But you're looking at kind of those veterans,
stop gap types as guys that can kind of come
in and help you a little bit. So I think
that's really what you're down to here, and there there's
a ton out there of guys that are really gonna
help you. Two one nine three nine four five one
three Joe and Pennsylvania. Joe, I haven't heard from you

(44:52):
in forever? Man, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (44:54):
Oh I'm I'm here and listening.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm happy here, don't Joe. Honestly, I was worried about you.
I'm happy you're well. Man.

Speaker 7 (45:00):
You don't have to worry about me. I just disappeared,
like Lance a little bit. There. You're always here?

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Were you guys hanging out together? Hanging out with Joe?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I can't speak for Joe's whereabouts.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
So no, I was very happy with the draft. I
did see. You know, the last time we drafted a
number one defensive end and a number one defensive tackle
or number two defensive tackle. You know who that was.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Let me think.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
You're talking about when you say number one, meaning the
first guy that went off the board in the draft, Well,
I mean what do you mean by.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
A number one? They went number one in the draft
for a number one picking, although the Giants had two
number ones this year. But he was a number one
defensive end and then the tackle was the number two.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
No, who would it be? J?

Speaker 7 (45:58):
It was in twenty ten, Jason, Pierre Paul and Lymbull. J.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
That's a good one. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Yeah, you know they wouldn't be bad if we you know,
again have them like that. So Nope, that's that was
it there. And I hope Evan Neil can come around
because of what is run blocking there. I think he
can make a difference that uh running back. When he signed,

(46:27):
how's he with injury because he don't shy away from contact.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Skataboo, you're talking about the guy they drafted. Yeah, Scataboo. No, No,
And I think that's one of the reasons he dropped
in the draft. Talking to people around the league, they're
not sure how long he's going to be able to
stay healthy running the way he does. Joe, But look,
running backs, you don't assume you're going to have him
past the first contract. You assume you can have him
with the first contract and everything else you kind of

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just roll the dice on anyway.

Speaker 7 (46:52):
So I was just saying, how was he in college?
Was he there most of the Yeah?

Speaker 5 (46:59):
He played twelve games in twenty twenty three and thirteen last.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Year and he was at Sacramento State before that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Correct, So I'm just looking at his Arizona State numbers.
I think the other concern is it's actually the ironic
part of your question is I think they look at
it more of he held up in his college career,
he was utilized a lot. There's a lot of wear
and tear on his body. So does that mean that
eats away at his longevity in the NFL? That's the concern.
I don't think it's so much. The concern about can

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he get through seventeen games is if this trajectory continues
and he's utilized a lot. Though I don't think that's
gonna happen with the Giants because they have other running backs.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
That to me is the concern more so about his durability,
and I think Joey I hope since with his running style,
since he's not going to be playing eighty percent of
the snaps like he did at Arizona State, he can
run with that style and just leave it all out
in the field. But he's only going to be touching
the ball like twelve fifty, you know, twelve times a game.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
Yeah, he breaks into the secondary, he sees defensive back
or corner. He don't trying to sowar. He goes right
for No.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
He embraces contact. Yeah, no doubt about that.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
He too, were talking about the free agents, and I
was just saying, I did hear about possibly Keenan Allen
coming in. I don't know if he's heard that. I
think he would be a good uh.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, well's got great hands and he's a good route runner.
He should always good differ for you. Man. Don't be
a stranger.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
There's no doubt about it that you know, if the
Giants want to entertain talking to him. I mean, there's
nothing that I've seen report wise, but he's a free agent,
so he's out there. I mean, you could always utilize
and add another veteran into the mix.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
He's really he's a slock guy these days, so you'll
probably take Wanda Rumson off the field. I'm not sure
you want to do that. And Alan did not have
the best year last year with Chicago.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
And again he had a rookie quarterback, so I think
he got to maybe take that into the g Also.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Was banged up a bit too. He was banged five
or six games. I think hamp hamp shame. Maybe I
don't quite remember, but something to keep in mind going forward.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
I brought up, by the way, Scataboo's Sacramento state numbers
just to look at it. He played double digit games,
but the first year he only had fifty seven carries,
so that was not much. One hundred and ninety six
his second year. So the last three years he has
had at least one hundred and sixty four carries.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
All right, let's go to Chris in Rochester. He's done
next night, Chris.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
Hey, guys, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
We're good man.

Speaker 8 (49:19):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
So I had a kind of off the topic, so
I was curious to see how Abduall Carter matched up
with with his like prospect numbers, like with guys like
Nick Bosa, Chase Young Miles Garrett.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Von Miller matchup having production line.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
What kind of grade did you guys have on those
other guys like Nick Bosa, Chase, Young, Miles Garrett, And
then what grade did you have on Abduall Carter.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Oh? Well, I mean I don't go back far enough
to have to have grades on some of those guys
you're talking about, like a von Miller, Chris. That was
that was before I started, you know, really kind of
doing this where you kind of write those things down.
Miles Garrett, I mean, he is basically the highest grade
you could possibly have for a defensive end. I mean
he's sixty six, two hundred and seventy five pounds and
he wore runs around like he's two hundred and fifty pounds.

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So no one's in Miles Garrett's class. I would put
Abdul quarter right in the same category as Chase Young,
Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa. You know that that type of
pass rusher.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
Sure, yeah, I remember the Niners. Wasn't it the year
before they went four and twelve and then they got
Nick Bosa and the next year they won the NFC
championship game.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, because I believe Grousei Orgaroppolo got hurt, right, and
they ended up having to go with Mullens. And who
is the other quarterback, Bethird I think.

Speaker 8 (50:43):
And the end he came in and ignited him. So
and then my other thing is I want to know,
because you guys are in the building, I have written out,
Oh Evan Neil So the dude when you see him
in the hallway, he's still six six, three hundred forty
pounds and like super athletic, he's got a good attitude.

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What if he moves inside, I don't see how he's
not going to be a stud. It seems like every
like that guy from Dallas there, Smithyler him as a
tackle and he did crappy out there. They put him
inside and he was like all world.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Well, honestly, I appreciate the call good stuff. I don't
ever think Tyler Smith was that crappy at tackle. I
just think they thought he was gonna be better at guard.
And I think the issue with Neil you said he's
a super athlete. I think some of the lateral quickness
stuff with him is some of the things maybe that
are holding him back at tackle and the bounce and
Evan's talked about you know, that's something stuff he's working
on still. But I think those weaknesses are mitigated to

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your point, caller, when when you move him inside. So
I'm with you. I think if he gets the opportunity
to play inside and we'll see if he can get
on the field there, I'm sure they'll work them in
practice there. Joe and Dave said they're going to work
them all over the place, and that'll be one of
the spots they work him. I think he is a
chance to be a really good player there.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
Well.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
The difference is he doesn't have to worry about as
much space when he plays guard versus tackles, So that's
good news. But you gotta deal with though a lot
of power though that's coming your way from the interior,
so there is a bit of a trade off. The
trade off is, Okay, he doesn't have this immense amount
of space, but now you're seeing bigger, stronger guys on

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the interior, and you can't necessarily always look for the
center or the tackle to help you out because you
know they have their own problems and issues that they
have to deal with.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
So it's not to me. He's also taller, by the way,
taller guards you have to worry sometimes with the leverage
and you gotta crunch down exactly.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
So that's why I said, it's not so easy and
simple that you just throw a guy inside. As far
as the grating, just out of curiosity, John I looked
it up. NFL dot com grades all the prospects come.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Out on and len Zier line has been doing that
for a while.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Yeah, so just if you want to look at it
as a basis, so as a means of comparison, Garrett
got this is their prospect. Great, he got a seven
point five, and then his next gen stats was a
ninety seven, which is considering an elite.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Category and the seven point five means perennial all pro
in terms of their project that is like a Saquon
Barkley like grade. That's what that is.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Nick Bosa Pro Bowl talent projection, he was a seven
that sounds about right, and then in eighty nine, which
is considered good based on next Gen stats, Abdul Carter
got the same grade as Bosa, a seven projected to
be a Pro Bowl talent, and his next Gen stats
one point higher than Bosa ninety, which is in the
elite category.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Carter also very different than Bosa. Bosa is more of
your big body defensive end. I think he was two
sixty five at the combine. Carter was just two fifty
on his way, and I think that was at his
pro dead. He didn't actually weigh in at the combine.
So they're different types of edge players too. Yeah, he's
more in the Chase Young category. Bring up Chase Young Lance.
I'm curre out of curiosity where that him. I guess
that he's going to be right in that same category

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as those other two guys. And I think he was
probably like two hundred and fifty five pounds maybe at
the combine to sixty Chase.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Chase Young seven point three seven perennial All Pro, so
he was higher Carter and Bosa, and then ninety four
for next gen stats, so higher than both.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
And you know what, he's heavy. He's two sixty five.
He's heavier than I thought, and he is almost thirty
four in charms. All right, his his measurables are very impressive.
I understand why he would maybe be great a little
bit higher than those two guys.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Which is also a reminder that nothing is guaranteed, and
given injuries, where you're drifted. No, sure, yes, correct now,
injuries certainly played it toll. But I think on top
of that, based on what Washington needed out of him,
I would not say that he fulfilled where they took
him now that you look back at years later.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I mean he had a super serious knee injury. I
mean it was more than just a torn ACL. He
had a really bad knee injury.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
And that he's never he's been okay with the Saints
since he's come back. No, he's hung around and he's
gone from team to team. That he's fair, but he
has never gotten back to that. And it just shows
you how important athleticism is for that defensive end spot.
So you can bounce back in other spots after serious
injuries still be okay. You require to be a good
defensive Inadland so much explosion, you know, off the snap

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and his get off was one of his biggest traits.
And when you have that kype of serious lower body injury,
it robs you.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Of some of your explosiveness.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Yeah, well, especially you gotta all over tackles less. I
would say wide receiver is another tougher position, right. If
you can't beat guys to get open man to man coverage,
what do you have to lean back on?

Speaker 7 (55:24):
All?

Speaker 9 (55:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Shakes and Baltimore, Maryland? What's shaken? Long time, buddy? How
are you?

Speaker 10 (55:31):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Brothers?

Speaker 10 (55:33):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
We're good, Shakes? What do you got for us?

Speaker 9 (55:37):
All right?

Speaker 10 (55:37):
So I'm listening to y'all in great content, But wilde receivers, I.

Speaker 8 (55:45):
Got two things.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
You're still have you been calling for fifteen years?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (55:48):
You're still on wide receivers.

Speaker 9 (55:49):
I love it, man, y'all, No way, I'm at quarterbacks,
wide receivers linebackers who finally got But for the wide receivers.

Speaker 10 (56:02):
Though, y'all had them ranked low, and to me, I
think it's a little wrong. Hold on, hold on, I
think it's gonna be They're gonna be a little better.
And this is why I get with your point. I do.
I get your point, but I equate a lot of
that to the quarterbacks. A lot of that is to

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the quarterbacks, and of course the protection. But again to me,
I equate that to the quarterback as far as calling
out signals, protections, all that stuff matters. So anyway, with
the veteran quarterbacks coming in, I think they will they
will be better blocking up, better protection, and they will

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have these wide receivers going down the field. Now, the
problem with Slayton is not his speed, not his separation.
He gets open, he gets open.

Speaker 8 (56:57):
He just got to catch the ball.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
And they're inconsistent checks.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I think that is fair right.

Speaker 10 (57:03):
And as far as Hyatt, he didn't have a lot
of chances last year, but in his first year you've
seen he got a lot of deep balls. Posts, but
he got a lot of deep balls. And I think
with this quarterback Russell Wilson, w y'all know, I call Obama.
Obama is going to give the ball to Hyatt. So
to me, I think these wide receivers are going to

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be way better than y'all think they're going to be,
especially with Wando Robinson in the slot.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Okay, let look say, let me ask you. First of all,
I either been number five on Miro, which which is
which was in the top half, So I thought that
was pretty good. Who would you consider if I haven't
had you ranked the Giants wide receivers, who would you
consider to be their number two?

Speaker 10 (57:44):
Slaton is number two right now?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Okay, I was that was one thing if if it
was him Rwandau for you, I was just curious.

Speaker 10 (57:50):
No, No, Wando is in the slot. That's just that's
his position.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
A number two. I mean, yeah, there are receivers that
that are the slot and there's still the second best
wipers on the team. So who do you think the
second best wide receiver on the number two targets? Yes?

Speaker 7 (58:04):
Correct?

Speaker 10 (58:04):
Number two?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yes, correct?

Speaker 10 (58:05):
I got yes, Yeah, I will go with Wanda.

Speaker 11 (58:11):
Okay, it's but it's close though, right, Yeah, Yeah, I
think it's Wander was because he would have all all
those you know, across the field.

Speaker 10 (58:22):
He'll get all those intermediate yeah, a lot of balls
that he gets to run after the catch.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Now, it would not have shocked me, by the way,
if they did not trade that extra third round pick
for Dart in this draft, if that extra pick in
the middle rounds, there could have been a wide receiver
that would not have shocked me.

Speaker 10 (58:41):
I wouldn't have been shocked either. And my last thing
that I wanted to speak on was Evan Neil as
because the last or couple of last coaches or whatever
was speaking on him. And here's the thing with him.
Never been a problem of power or anything like that, right,
he has all these tools. The problem with Evan Neil

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has been the footwork. And I think inside that booth
you don't have to have much footwork. But I think
he's going to have a better season. Now here's the thing,
and here's the kicker that I don't think a lot
of people understand or know. When Evan Neil was put
in last year, he had the highest running grade out
of all the giants of lineman and lineman, including Andrew

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tom Not.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
He is he is a good He is a good
run blocker, shakes no, no question. Yeah, well he has
the big frame.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
He should but I mean, listen, past protection is just
as important, if not even more important, especially if you
want to get the true potential out of those wide
receivers that you were talking about, and get play, get
better play out of shakes.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I'm that be you called because you're one of the
guys that that that goes back long enough to actually
get this reference because you were listening back then, you
were calling back then. I was never super optimistic about
Flowers being a guard, right that was. I did not
sit here and talk about him moving to guard the
same way I talked about Neil moving to guard one
of because Flowers didn't want to play guard when he
was here, and there was dedication stuff with him, right

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and attitude stuff with him that that stuff's not here
with Evan, like, he is into it. He wants, he
wants to help the team. He played guarding college ready,
he has a year of experience playing guard. So I
really and again I don't I want to pump the brakes.
I don't want to get too over excited about it
because we haven't seen him do it on the NFL level.
I'm with you. I think if given the opportunity, he

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has a chance to be a starting guard in the
National Footall League, that will help your team win. I'm
not saying he's gonna be a pro bowler and all pro.
I think he'd be a starting player that can help
your team win games.

Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
I'm about to jump off the bridge. I think he
can be a pro bowler. I think he can be
a pro Bowl and his The thing I want from
him is, and I know it's not going to be
popular with many Giant fans, but I want him to
have the job to lose. I want him to have
the job to lose. Go ahead and lose the job out,

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but I want him to have that right there, like, Okay,
you got that spot, now make sure you keep it
and you maintain it because you've got some young guys
like about Bowl and all those guys that can come
in and fulfill with what you can do. And you
got Van Rodden still in the building as well, so
there is guards in the building. So hey, this is

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your job, but it's your job to lose. That is
what I want for him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
But you know, of course, I just I don't see
that happening. Pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
Yeah, I mean with Van Roden and Van Roden was
not re signed, I could see maybe a scenario where
Evan Neil has the job and it's for him to
basically say, you know what, somebody's gonna outplay me, or
you're just gonna run away with it. But the fact
that Van Roden's back and played well last season, why
would the Giants coaching staff say we're gonna move Van

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Roden to the side to see if Evan Neil will
surge ahead and take the job. He's competing for a
depth and a roster spot. That's what Evan Neil is
competing for.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I assuming Van rod And stays healthy, let's see he
does not get hurt. Okay, does Evan You'll have a chance,
any chance, like one percent to supplan him as a
starter at right guard. No, I don't give him a
chance at all.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
If you're giving me the scenario of Van Roden staying
fully healthy, healthy, he doesn't miss anything, I don't see
a pathway for that to happen. I see a pathway.
Evan Neil could be the backup guard. I could see
that pathway.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I'm not gonna put it at zero, but I think
it's low. Yeah, I mean you're looking at a ten
percent chance. You would have to be really dominant in
games and in practice, in joint practices like he would
have to. He would have to do the equivalent of
like bat a thousand, right, like he would have to
be wonderful and fantastic, which, by the way, I hope

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he does. And by the way, at some point this year,
there's gonna be the chance to start a guard, right,
I mean, you're not gonna have your And if JMS
gets hurt, by the way, you know who's going to
move the center right, probably grave Red Wolton, So that
could open up a spot of guard too. So at
some point this year there will be a chance for
a backup guard to go into play and start. And

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you'll hope that Evan Niel is the guy when that happens,
or he's so dominant to Chake's point, in the spring
and summer, And again, gug, this is not gonna happen
in the spring, So put that aside right away because
there's no contact, there's no pads on. I mean, what
are you going to be able to tell? So we
can start having that conversation when you get to the summer.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Yeah, when Evan Neil puts the pads on and goes
up against number one defensive lineman or even the top
tier number two's and he stands out on a daily
basis John, then you could maybe entertain a little bit
of a competition.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
But until we get there, and that has to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
By the way, it's not just him getting on the field.
It's him getting on the field and making a name
for himself. I'm not willing to go so far to
say that Van Roden has anything.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
To worry about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
That's good stuff. Yeah, absolutely well, Pearson, you want a
serious predictions, he put his head from it while he
wants to lunch. I'm also hungry, all right, Nick, Celtics
get started tonight seven o'clock. I'm I'm just just gonna
get hammered today. But he's got a lance. Who's your residence.
No one hates the Knicks more than does stop that.
That's anath you hate the Knicks. I just don't come

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on lead into it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
I hate the Nicks, And my viewpoint is is that
too many Nick fans are unrealistic. That's my You hate them.
It's got nothing to do with specifically against him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
You root against the team actively.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
I would not say that's a fair characterization. That's not
that's not a fair character is fair. First of all,
it depends on who they're playing. Yeah, when the Bulls
are playing the Knicks. I'm not rooting for the Nicks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Of course, I know. But if I see you come
in here gee after Nick losses, well, but it has
to be.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
It has to do with who the fans are that
I have talked to and that I interact with on
a personal basis. Yes, that could very well influence these
I'm not going to shy away from that. No, But
to say that on a daily basis, I'm invested in
them winning and losing is completely you love off base you,
that is completely.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Pleasure in other people's misseeries. It depends on who the
person is.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Yes, But to say everybody open ended, I don't think
is fair.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I'm gonna go to the Celtics fans first, or do
you want me to go first? Peers? I will, I
will let you produce the segment. How do you want
to handle this? What do you want to do?

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Serious predictions?

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Well, you want to go first? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Okay, go first.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
I think it's four to one Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Okay, when did the Knicks get that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Win their first game at home?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Do you think game three at the Garden? Okay, Lance,
I think the Celtic's gonna sweep them.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
I think the Pistons in an alternate universe easily could
have walked away with a victory in five games.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
I just my biggest concern is in five games. Oh yeah,
but he doesn't hate hold on a minute in five
took It took a twenty one to er run to
win Game one? Did it not? Let's go over these things.
Did it direct? That's what it took.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
How many twenty one oh runs have we seen over
the course of the NBA regular season? If you even
look back at every game this season, what did it take.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
For the Pistons to be close? In Game six? It
didn't take it over to take a twenty one It
was a twenty to two run in the fourth quarter,
but it was It was.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
A far more competitive game than anything that game won
showcase in terms of.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Every game was closed.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Well, they all came doun to they all came down
to get.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
The series prediction.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
We got lunch to get well.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Certain now, all of a sudden, you don't want to
talk about this because I don't want to go into
the nick hating, Like, no, it's not the if you
would have said the Pistons could have easily won the series.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I would have been fine, and that's exactly what I was.
You said they could have easily won in five games, Well,
they could have, because there were two scenarios.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
First of all, the foul that wasn't called at the
end of one game should have sent the Pistons to
the free throw line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
And then the twenty one oh run. This guy got bad,
the bad call at the end of the Saints vikingbo
Saints Rams game, whatever it was, and fans should have
get mad about that. I didn't say if you make them.
I did not.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
I did not say that the NBA should give the
Pistons whit. That's the reality of the circumstance. If foul
was missed, it happens. I'm not losing sleepover, and nor
should Pistons or nick fans. That's the nature of the NBA.
I'm bringing up though there was contact, legitimate contact to
call a foul said, I'm saying that should call the founts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
So there's a distinct difference.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
I think the Celtics are gonna win, and I could
see them very well sweeping this series because if they
continue to play isolation basketball with Jalen Bruntson. I think
Boston has better defenders than Detroit does, and that's my
biggest concern about this series.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Hey, look, the Celtics are awesome. I mean, in their
last five playoff series, they're twenty and four. I mean,
I didn't realize this. Pierce is gonna tell me last week.
They have not gotten to a game six in the
last two playoffs. They just beat teams in five games constantly. Uh.
The regular season games the Knicks and the Celtics were
not pretty. Uh. The Knicks with kar Anthony Towns are

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not equipped to guard the Celtics and the way they
shoot threes. And I'll give them the gentleman's sweep. I'll
give four to one. I'm with Pearson. I'm afraid it
might be the Celtics win the first three, Nick salvage
a game four, and then they lose in five in Boston.
I would feel good about if the Knicks can get
it to six and only two of the games of blowouts,

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I would feel good about that series win all said
and done. But if the Knicks can really make this competitive,
because no team has really made a competitive against the
Celtics in the last two years, I would be very impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
What was the season like matchup when they played each other?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Oh, it was bad. It was the Celtics annihilated the
Knicks in the first three games zero yeah, four zero
and the first three were bike not it wasn't even close.
Celtics won by I average on like twenty five points.
And then the last game, when neither team was really trying,
it was a close game. So I wouldn't put too
much stock into that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
I mean, the Knicks didn't beat the Calves, the Thunder
or the Celtics this season. They were all in ten
against all three of those teams. Not to say regular
season means much of anything at this stage, but I think,
once again, if we're dealing with the reality the circumstances,
the concern is the Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Are a better team. The Celtics the best team in
the league.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
No, no, but I guess I'm looking at him more
of a Knicks pathway. The knixt pathway is Karl Anthony
Towns has to be a consistent second fourth score.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
He needs to play like an all NBA. Yeah, I
mean that has to happen, has to have If that
doesn't happen, then there's really no point they're talking about anything.
They're gonna put a six to six wing on him
in Jason Tatum, and he has to dominate the matchup.
He has to do. He has to because if he doesn't,
he's gonna get played off the floor defensively because of
all the three pointers the Celtics take. And that's just
the way it's gonna go. And that's assuming Jalen Brunson
averages thirty five agains correct but which he might not

(01:09:36):
be able to do because again, the Celtics defense is
so good. Drew Holliday is now in this series and
listen to Jalen Brown are good defenders do and he's
gonna see all of that, and so is Derk White.
Derek White's also an excellent defense. He's like the forgotten play.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Watch how much the defender on heart helps.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Because they don't get respect. Here's what that's the other kid,
Josh Art has to take like ten threes a game
and make them. Well, he only has to make three
or four, like that's it if you would just but
he has. He has to make the Celtics respect him
as a shooter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
You're just gonna switch off them a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Dude, Porzingis is gonna literally Porzingis is gonna guard hert
He's gonna have his back turn to him, and Heart's
gonna have to make him pay. So to me, and again,
I'm just assuming Brunson is gonna be great, which is
no guarantee. To Lance's point, Hart on offense and then
Towns overall, those are the two keys to me for
the Knicks to have a chance in this series. Heart
and Towns have to make the Celtics pay for the

(01:10:31):
way they're guarding those two players, because they're gonna do
everything they can to stop Bridges Anenobi and Bronson specifically,
and they're gonna leave their worst defenders and challenge Josh
Hart and co Anthony Towns to beat them. And those
guys are going to have to beat them, and if
they do, the Nicks will have a shot. If they can't,
it's not gonna be good.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
And the defense and the rebounding two which is just
not at the same level in caliber of where it
was when Hartenstein.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
No, it's in the mix.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
I mean the one guy that they are missing immensely
is hard In Schine, of course. I mean that is
is a massive hole they tried to bring him back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I have not sure.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
Listen, it's the rules of free agency. I'm not saying
that the Knicks things wrong. They lost them. It's money.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
It is what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
But I'm still saying they're still missing him. That's the
guy they thought they really need.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Absolutely, just so both teams have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
You hope both teams have fun. That's the analysis, per
I would just I would just hope your Celtics are
healthy for the next round. You got two guys with
injuries the holidays for us or something. No, I'm just
saying from a Celtics perspective, injuries have been an issue
this year. Porzingis was hurt throwing the year, Holiday is
coming off a hamstring. Jalen Brown hasn't been the healthiest
he's been all year. If the Celtics went on Piers,

(01:11:39):
I know they are if the If the Celtics are healthy,
them and the Thunder are the two best teams in
the league and they are going to fight it out
in a great NBA Finals series. It's going to be
a great series if both those teams are healthy. And
but we'll see if they are. And nice one, nice
shot on the Pacers yesterday about and I think it's
funny nick fans like I don't want to drop to
the four seed. I was quite like, are you sure
you don't want to drop to the four seed because

(01:12:01):
then you get the and and not that the Calves
aren't really good, but they're not the Celtics. No, and
I would feel much better about playing Cleveland than Celtics.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Man, they'll tell you how good the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Are paying the ass fan should know from last year. No,
they're really they're They're an excellent offensive team. Excellent offensive team.
All right, we gotta go eat, We gotta go stuff
our faces with some sinkle demayo, uh notcho bar and
stuff that's going on in there. It's pretty good. All right,
thanks for being with us. Hackenzack Marine Hell Podcast Studio.
We're gonna need to go to the hospital after the

(01:12:31):
food or about these folks keep getting better. I don't
know what you're insinuating, but yes, little little cornary action
who knows where. Okay, you were taking it. There's some
caso in there that's delicious, That's all I'm saying. Okay,
I was thinking completely Oh no, I was thinking like

(01:12:52):
I was. No, I wasn't thinking I was I was
good food back there. No, I wasn't rushing the stamper.
I just thought that that's what take you to the
all right, that's all we have taught for a big
kick off five percent of my Cadillac, the official luxury
vehicle the Giants. Bonus Basketball caught that at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
We'll see you next time.

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