April 25, 2025 • 61 mins
John Schmeelk, Paul Dottino and Shaun O'Hara break down everything you need to know about the Giants 3rd round draft pick, Toledo defensive tackle, Darius Alexander. Presented by Crestron.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to our Giants Draft reaction show, presented by Christron
John Schmelk, once again joined by Mike compatriots Paul Tatino
and Sean O'Hara. We're gonna take your calls here, guys
at two A one nine three, nine four five one three.
We're gonna go for one hour. That's what the league allows.
The Giants are six picks away, though the Ravens pick
is in. I think the league's a little behind here.
I think there are about to at least two picks
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behind in terms of picks being in and them announcing
the selections.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So commercial considerations gotta pay those sponsors.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, you also hope they have a lot of like
people coming up and they're doing emotional presentations and such,
so that's taking up.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Some extra time.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So we're probably i'd say around twenty minutes or so
away from the Giants selection. I say, give or take.
We'll have that selection for you here. We'll tell you
who the Giants take, we will react to it. Will
Bob Papa join us after the pick and then we
will take your calls, and we want to get him
before the pick too, to tell us who you think
the Giants should pick. We can do that as well
at two to one nine three, nine four five one three.
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All right, so we haven't had that many big surprises
here in round number two. I'll go through a couple
of them. I'm not gonna list all the picks because
I'm sure you're tracking this on your own, folks. Mike
Green is still on the board, the edge rusher from Marshall,
who has some off the field legal issues from the past.
But I had a you know, I think he's a
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first round type player in terms of talent, but he's
still on the board. Tyler Shook went to the Saints
Shardoor Sander's still on the board. Aaranta Urseri went. A
couple running backs are off the board. Travion Henderson and
Quinn Shawn Jenkins, Luther Burden, Jaden Higgins, Jack Besh, Trey
Harris off the board at wide receiver, defensive tackle just
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Tyler Williams and t J.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Sanders.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No one else off the board yet at that spot.
Will Johnson and Benjamin Morrison, the two banged up cornerbacks,
they are off the board at that position. No safeties
have gone off the board yet today, and those are
and three tight ends I should have mentioned Elijah Royo,
Mason Taylor, and Terrence Ferguson are off the board at
that spot. Offensive line, Ozzie Trappolo off the board, Jona
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seven Ia off the board, he's a guard, Tate Rattlers
just got taken. And Anthony Belton, the offensive tackle of
MENSI State is off the borderlowth ariante Urseri. So those
are the major guys that are off the board. Let's
kind of start here with you first, Paul, what are
some of the spots and players that you're keeping an
eye on? The are heading in to pick number sixty five. Remember,
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the Giants only have one selection today. They selected abdul
Quater third over. But then you just picked ninety nine
and thirty four. Tim, We'll have to pick twenty five
to select Jackson Dart. So, Paul, who are you looking
at here for the Giants loan pick on day three
at pick number sixty five?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
In what positions?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think the positions for me would be a defensive tackle,
It would also be offensive line, and it would also
be running back. Those would be the three spots that
I would be looking for the best player available and
see how high the value is I'll give you one
guide each position. John, how about we do Yeah, let's
do that. Joshua Farmer, Florida State defensive tackle. I think
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there's a legit shot he might be there at sixty five.
I think Alexander's going to be gone before that, so
I'm going to go former.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'll see there's not that many picks left in A
defensive tackle has not gone since pick thirty three when
Alfred Collins went. Him and TJ Standards are the two
defensive tackles off the bit.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
It is interesting. I was a rush on edge rushers,
but not really the interior g Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, So I would be looking at Scatabo if from
Arizona State, Cameron Scatibo, if he could get there at
sixty five again, I'd be surprised, but hey, you never know.
That would be very exciting for me. And then on
the offensive line, Marcus Mabou out of Purdue is probably
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the guy right now who I think could potentially be
at sixty five. And he's got some swing guard tackle versatility,
and I think he would be a guy that might
be interested for me there.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
All right, I'll give you one name in each position.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Two and then Sewan you can kind of give what
positions you're keeping an eye on here. You don't have
to give names. You can just give spots if you want.
I'll give one offensive line. I think Whitt Millan would
be the next best guy on the board for me.
He played tackle college. Think he's more of a guard
in the NFL, but he's a good player. He's a
guy that I think you can consider at guard. At
a running back, you mentioned Cam Scattabow, I'll bring up
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Caleb Johnson and Damian Martinez and Dylan Sampson.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Those are my next three running backs.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I think they're all a little bit different, to be
totally honest with you, in terms of play style, and
I think they're all good players.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And then the other position you have was defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You mentioned Darius Alexander Schamar Turner is the other guy
a throw out there, a defensive tackle who's very talented.
I think he's a guy that I would look at
here if you're looking for more of an upfield guy,
if you're looking for more of a plugger type, I
think you're looking at the CJ. West Jordan Phillips group
for the next plugger type. Or if you like Jamari
called loll a lot. The defensive tackle of Oregon was
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a big man. He's a large fellow. That's another guy
you can look at that spot. If you look at
a wide receiver. My man Jalen Knowles still on the board, Baby,
I'm a huge fan of his. If he's still around,
I'd be tempted to take a look at him. Sean,
what are your big needs year and things you're focusing
on for the Giants?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Well, let's start off where you ended with the receiver. Noel.
He's a burner, right. I think he ran like a
four to three yep, so he's got some wheels five
to ten, two hundred pounds. So I definitely think the
Giants look the offensively, we need points like so we
need some offensive firepower. Yes, Jackson Tart, Jackson Dart was
a great draft pick for us last night, but he's
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probably not going to see the field in the first
half of the season if things go you know, as
well as everybody hopes they do. But I definitely think receiver,
you need some youngers guys. You need somebody to pair
with Milaigue neighbors, and anytime you have a guy with
that kind of world class speed. You'll find a way
to get him out on the field, to find a
way to get him involved in the offense. I think
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the other guy that I was looking at, Kyle Williams,
is still out there. I like Besh, we were talking
about best before, but he just went. Kyle Williams is
a guy that's out there as well Washington State. He
is part of that air raid offense. That could be
another possible fit. I think the running back thing, we
we all talked about it earlier. I think the Giants
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would like to add another running back, and Caleb Johnson
from Iowa still out there. You know. I think he's
a pretty physical guy, physical runner, so that that could
be a good fit. I'm never gonna say no to
no old lignment. You guys mentioned offensive line. I've already
thrown it out a couple of times into cav Hero
over there. I'm like, hey, Wow, we gotta got a
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guy to get after the quarterback. We got a quarterback.
How about somebody to protect the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Your guy Tate Rallige and Pearson's guy Tate Rallige both
off the point though. The the the mullet stash combination
is no longer a potential selection here.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah, yeah, Tate's down. And you know what Tate had.
I mean physical dude. He's a self proclaimed dirt bag,
so right out of the gate, I love him. But he
was a little banged up as well.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think he was actually an extra on Eastbounding Down?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Was he really.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Won't? I never actually watched Span Down. I just known,
you know, I never actually did watch it.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I think that's something you should keep yourself. You just
you just aired yourself out.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I have a lot of spelling. I have many shows
that I want to.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Watch three things at once.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
How is that possible?
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Though?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I haven't.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
You're you're a multitasking you can find time.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
The problem is that actually like to focus in on
like a show. So if I'm gonna like do one thing.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's what.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
It's great. And it's great.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I heard it's a funny show.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It is a good show.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
He annoys me a little bit, though, the actor what's
his name? Yeah, he's a little annoying anyway, bride.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah, he's still not in the whole conditioning thing into.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The whole condition all right, back to test any idea
what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
No, I love that he didn't even you haven't watched it, Paul.
It's not even on his hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
No, it is not all right, they canceled blue Blood.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
That's all I need a loan blue Bloods. Wow, you're
watching TV with my dad.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I was literally about to say, if it's not on
CBS at nine, not o'clock, Paul's not watching it. He
literally named the show that's not CBS a clock.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
That's awesome, blue Bloods. Blue Blood is a great show. Anyway,
what were we talking about, Toms Tom Selleck. Is he
available for the draft?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Oh dude?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Okay, So I have to give the last two picks here,
because of course, the Baltimore Ravens picked the last guy
with the first round grade on by board and Mike Green,
and you know, he's gonna go to Baltimore. He's not
gonna get into any trouble. He's gonna be a saint
and he's not gonna have any issues. And he's gonna
have like eighteen sacks of the Ravens because that's what
happens with players the Ravens draft.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And then my guy, yeah you are j Harvey.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I had a second round grade on him and no
one else really did and I thought I was out
on a limb, and then the Broncos gonna pick him
at sixty. He is fast, he's elusive, He's a lot
of fun. Sean Payne is gonna have have a ton
of fun with r J.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Harvey.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What do they do with Alvin Kamara for all those years?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, that's what they're gonna do with r J. Harvey. Yeah, man,
that is a good pick.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Oh that annoys me just because that's such a good fit.
And I wish anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I forgot what we were.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Talking about off as line. Yeah, we got distracted by
that was Miles Frasier was another guy that's out there.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I like Fraser, but I think for the next round.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
You know, I think the interesting thing with the Giants
is they need a guard and I think they also
need to tackle. So but you're only gonna probably take one,
you know, I don't know if they can draft one
of each. So do you get a guy that played
tackle and can also play guard or a guy that
played guard and can also swing out play tackle.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Hey, Gary Clark announced in the pick for the Command
there's excellent wide receiver from the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You can make argument He should be in the Hall
of Fame, by the way, if you look at the stats.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I mean that whole receiving crew, right, Gary Clark.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
ARBONGK TJ.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
S not t J.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Sanders. What was the first name of the Rickey Sanders?
Like Sanders. That's a good pick, a good pick for
the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That is a good pick. I thought he was an
early second round guy. That's a good get for them
right there.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
All right, So that's sixty one.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So we're we are three picks away close.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Jalen Knowle still available. Caleb Johnson is still available.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Cam Scattabo is still available.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
You know there was a run on tight ends there
too for a little bit. I'll tell you. I think
if we could have got one of those tight ends too,
that would that would be that's good for the offense.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, Harold Fannon stole on the board, but I'm not
sure if that would be where the Giants would go
here he is, he is a good move tight end.
I think right now, of all the players we talked about,
Darius Alexander, Jalen Knowle, and Caleb Johnson would be the
guys that I have the highest on my board that
are left.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
So I think those are interesting guys to talk about.
We'll you take your calls.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
By the way, if you want to getting guys before
the Giants their pick, you can do that at two
one nine three nine four five one three two one
nine three nine four five one three. And I'm showing
no something you wanted to say, unless Paul, you have
something else on the guys left?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, okay, I saw you shuffling your paper. You are
right now.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm just shuffling to go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I'm sure there's some callers out there. I want them to,
you know, we should, you know, maybe take another quarterback. Right,
everybody's still talking about shador.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I think the better question is that if I made
an every day your shuffling reference of Paul and now
where that came from, I would say probably not that
is from like fifteen years ago now, but I think
it had to be for thirty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, exactly right. And then anything no nothing, no idea,
no idea.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Okay, it was worth the shot, all right, Sean, You
on how to point you on to make about the
giants two draft picks yesterday that you had a bit
of a revelation on driving home last night and the
wee hours of the evening that that that you wanted
to say today.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, I don't know if it's a revelation, but just
there was this feeling of euphoria that as I was
driving home last night and I was just kind of
channeling the Giants fans that were in Met Life last
night and as they were driving home from Met Life,
I was just thinking about how many times I've driven
home that same drive in the last couple of years,
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just kind of scratching my head, like where we headed,
what's going on? Like a lot more questions than answered.
And last night, for the first time in a long time,
driving home, I started thinking about Giants fans, and I'm thinking,
you know what, Like they are so giddy right now,
like getting Jackson Dark, getting Abdua Carter, a player on
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each side of the ball that could completely change the
trajectory of this franchise for the next five to ten years.
Like that's got to be something that's resonating with every
Giants fan. When you woke up this morning, when you
were driving home last night, you're talking to your friends.
I mean, I'm sure you guys are all getting text messages.
I can remember the last time that the Giants as
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a franchise had this much good happened to them in
one night. And I think look as a as a
former NFL player, I never looked at draft picks like, man,
they're going to come in and save us, or they're
going to come in and now we're going to win
Super Bowl because of this guy we was just drafted by.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
The way at Dual Carter.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Maybe, but let's not put a cape on Jackson Dart,
who's going to not even as Brian Dable said it yesterday,
is not even going to start right away.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Absolutely. I think that's where it's kind of like, all right,
I'm saying this because this is I'm extrapolating it over
the next few years. Correct, that's fair projecting it as
to what this could look like this franchise in the
next three to four years.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
If it works out as they envisioned it, and we.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Could very well look back and say, wow, you know
what that for that night, The fact that they were
able to get ad Duel Carter and get back into
the first round and get Jackson Dark completely altered the
direction of the franchise. And I think that's huge, and
I think That's what the draft is all about. It's
all about the potential of changing your team, the potential
of assembling some stud players. And I think the thing
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about Jackson Dart and Adual Carter, not just their talent,
not just their performance on the field, their production on
the field, that the quality of guys that they got.
I think these two guys they care about football first
and foremost.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
They're not looking to be celebrity. They don't want to
be on page six. They're not coming here because their
social media and their brand and they're trying to grow.
They're coming here and they're all business. They can't wait
to get to work. Anybody that talked to Abdul Carter
throughout that process knows that he's all business, and you
know he I think he thinks a lot of what
he can bring to the table. He already asked for
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Lawrence Taylor's number, which.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I don't know he tongue.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I don't think he asked for it.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I think he's I think he said, I have other
ideas and fifty six is come to mind because it's
a great number. I don't think he he legitimately asked
for but he said fifty six.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Are you trying to turn Paul against the giants? Start overall?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Pick is the minute you mentioned someone at LT in
the same Tentince, Paul gets very old.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Well know, Paul would be upset if he asked for
Pepper John's you know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well, to be honest with you, earlier today when he
was asked about that his media session, handled that very well,
He handled it extremely well, and.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well he well, I think he saw you in a
three point stance off the side of the stage.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Ready to charge up there. If he didn't answer it properly,
He's not.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I can't see there's any way that anybody is getting
fifty six.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
No, and I don't think he's getting eleven either way.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So yeah, but just to put a bow on that
whole conversation, the draft is all about hope.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You know, it's about hope. You took the way I
was gonna say. The draft is about this is.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
About hope for your franchise. And you know what, like, Okay,
we got some guys that you know what we can
we can get back into that. We're heading the right direction.
And look, Joe Shane has has been a pinata, you know,
for Giants fans for the last couple of years, and
as a general manager, like he knows it. He's like,
look that that that's part of the job is to
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look when things aren't going well, you're going to take
the heat and take the blame. But I think you've
also got to give him credit when he does a
good job. And last year's draft unbelievable production. And now
when you see what he just did in one night,
I think it was I think it gave a lot
of hope and I think that there are a lot
of positives that came out of that. So now they
got to go out and perform. But I thought that
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that was this This could be a big shift for
the franchise and for and for the fans.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, I'm with you, and I think this is even
more of a reason for you know, a lot of
Giant fans have been in the.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Ohank for the draft pick mode.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
This is even bigger reason now to try to, you know,
really hope this team wins a lot of games this year.
You know, because if this is a quarterback that Brian
Dable wanted to develop, you want to keep that connection together, right,
And I think you get that by having significant improvement
and have them winning a lot of football games. So
I think it makes its perspective during off asive coordinator
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Danielle Jones. So just go back to all these Sam
Darnold or Gino Smith. Go to all these high drafted
quarterbacks that's taking a while to develop or they've never developed.
It's because there's a lot of instability earlier in their career,
so it's important to try to keep that stable moving forward.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, I think you know the fact that he's coming here,
and by the way, Jackson Dort himself was extremely professional
and well composed when he addressed the news media.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And we had the press conference.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
To say, the reason I didn't bring it up, Paul
because both guys were so solid and didn't say anything
that I thought was worth noting.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I just didn't think there was much to talk about there, to.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Be honest with, They both handled themselves as professional. They
were great, and quite honestly, I didn't expect anything else,
because you know, we met Darrett at the combine John
and he passed all the tests with flying colors in
terms of his personality, his presence, his smarts.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I even talked to him in a really smooth.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I talked to him in a small scrum at the
Senior Bowl and he was the same deal right after
a practice, right, And sometimes the guys are a little
bit more don't have their guard up as much right
on the field after a practice because they're not thinking
about all, right, here's.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
What I'm gonna say, I'm gonna meant to compare for that,
you kind of just get them.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And both him and Tyler Schuck for that matter, both
those guys were very put together on the practice field
at the Senior Bowl. We've had two defensive tackles, by
the way golf the board here, which is a significant
for the Giants. Omar Norman Lot from Tennessee. He goes
off the board to the Chiefs, but you put him
next to Chris Jones on that's at and then the
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pick before that the Bears who need some pass rush,
they get Shamar Turner, defensive tackle out of Texas A
and M.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So if you wanted a.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Three technique pass rusher type, and that's what those guys
are really, Darius Alexander is really your last guy left
that I have with a relatively high grade on them.
So if you want to plug her there stole some guys,
but you're you're running low on three techs d that
in mind.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, I think he.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I think he would be the one guy that's left.
And the thing about Alexander, he looks like a really
good player. He was really good at the Senior Bowl.
But he's a five year player. He's almost twenty five
years old, and he didn't have a lot of production
playing in the macket Toledo. So that's something that I
think raises a red flag for some people. But he
was really good against Power five guys at the Senior Bowl.
They couldn't really block him up front, so I think
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you take that into consideration as well. All Right, I
see a couple of calls, So the Giants are now
two picks away. The Eagles are up. Their pick is in,
which means the Giants pick is probably in two. But
the TV continues to be the network is behind where
the picks are. So we'll try to squeeze in a
couple of picks here before a couple of calls, rather
before we get to the pick. Let's go to Peter
down in the Florida Keys. Peter, you're up here on
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the Giants Draft Reaction Show. Presented by Crush Drown in
the Hack and Sack Meritney Health Podcast Studio. Keep getting better,
stop laughing and me Peterson, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Peter? I got it right this time, Peter. What's up?
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Hey? How's it going on?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
We're good?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Hey, you thank you so much for doing this. I
didn't even know you guys are still on. So I
just randomly called the number I memorized, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wow, Oh, we've been on for fifty hours straight.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Actually, well, Paul has in his own head, we've actually slept.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Sorry, did you say you have the number memorized?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Is a regular course not just in.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Your cell phone? Why you just pressed the you just
press it right? Are you actually having to press the
numbers on you?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I memorize it all right?
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah, you're on a road, David.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
You're not on a landline?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
No, no, no dial up? You know I'm using the
modem stuff. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, kids don't know, kids don't know what.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Blow my ears out? All right?
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Here?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
What do you got on the draft? What do you got?
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Two quick things? Who are you guys really hoping for that?
We picked the next couple I have in the in
the two picks. I'm actually looking for Samson or nol
Those are my two hope that we could scoop up
the running back or a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'd be happy with either one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I think Darius Alexander has to be in the conversation
here too. I think Caleb Johnson and camp Scattabow I
think they're both also very very good players. So I
think any of that group i'd be I'd be pretty
happy with Paul.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I feel it's got to be the trenches or power
running back. I cannot take a wide receiver here.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
You like, you like Dylan Sampson running back from Tennessee.
You know there's some There's some tackles out there too.
I mean we were talking before about you know, I
mean Marcus Imbel from purduees out there, Charles Grant is
out there, Dylan Fairchild from he's the other guard from Georgia. Yeah,
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I mean, I think I think if you get a
guard or a tackle here in the third round, I mean,
that could potentially be a guy that could end up
starting for you for the next four or five years.
I think that could be solid too.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
That'd be awesome.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Hey, look.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
About the first round.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, look, I will say this, you know, I appreciate it, Peter,
and thanks a lot for the call. Look, I think
Darius Robinson for me, you know, I have a pure
round two grade. He's the only defensive tackle left with
a pure round two grade, in fact only they have
two other guys with you know, end of round two
grades on them. So that's the guy that to me,
that's sticking at like a sore thumb in terms of
depth at a position of need. For me, I still
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think there's a bunch of wide receivers that are really
good that are on the board, and a bunch of
running backs. So that's where I would lea Paul Darius
Alexander for me at least.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I mean, I don't think there's any doubt, you know,
there's still quality at the positions the giants are thin at.
And I mentioned my guys before, you know, Farmer, I
mentioned Scatterbow, I mentioned Mabell. There are guys who you
can get right now who are going to compete and
push people on your depth chart. And that's the important
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thing because remember, especially now, I mean what we're talking,
we're talking the start of the third round. You need
somebody who's going to push. Okay, it's not just like, oh,
can he make the roster. No, the guy's got to
be able to push. He's got to be able to compete.
If you're taking him at the start of the third round, well,
that's the key.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The Eagles just replaced Chauncey Gardner Johnson with another underside safety. Yeah,
this guy's a missile. He's a lot of fun to watch.
Andrew mccooby. He's just under two hundred pounds. He makes
plays on the ball. He's like shot out of a cannon.
I had a better great on Xavier Wattson than him.
But he is a really really good player and downhill safety. Yeah,
but he he has ball production. Man, that guy makes
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plays on the football.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
That's that. That's not gonna be fun going up against him.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
No, so let me get this trade. The NFL's number
one rank defense last year just added the linebacker to
Campbell and mccooglet mkoogle. So we need some offensive fire
party here. Consider it all what we're just talking about
with Philly, Like we need some we need some offensive.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Talent here, all right, giants are up here, guys, And
again I think mccooby is a good there. The three
highest guys on my board just in terms of ranking
are savonn Ravel. I really like him as a corner,
but he's hurt and the Giants don't even need a corner,
so I'll push him aside right two spots away from him.
And actually I have Jaalin Nolan, Darius Alexander touching their
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players forty one and forty two for me, Noel's at
forty one and Darius Alexander is at forty two, so
I'd be more than happy with you again at one
of those two guys. And again, I just think defensive
tackles more of a need here guy, So I'm gonna
go out on a limit. I'm gonna take a guest and
say it's Darius Alexander.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And that it'd be a really good pick. Again, Farmer
is a little bit of a different style of guy,
but if you want defensive tackle with him, Alexander is
a really good pick too.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Jason Seahorn is going to be announcing to pick for
the Giants today.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I don't know that's sending a message. They've had a
lot of the guys actually at the same position as
the picks.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So I'm not sure if you know they've announced these
guys a long time ago, but now, yeah, they brought
out it looks like service members from each one of
the services out there.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Roger Goodell shaking some hands.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, that was It was pretty cool. The Rams did
their draft picks from the the LA Fire Department.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Where we were, and this is the end of the
second round, since the Giants did the first pick and
round three, that's probably why they're doing this.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, so you have all the services here.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I wanted to see what the Space Force uniform look
like because usually they do bring out someone from the
Space Force now, because they are one of the services.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I think that might have been the uniform at the end.
I couldn't tell. They didn't give me a good watch shot.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
By the way, did you like that story about the
Giants two first round picks who wear different face paintings
to mimic Star Wars characters, Yes, so interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Abdul quarter with the Darth Vader on the EyeBlack because
I guess he spent a lot of time in one
of those hyper barrack chambers heading into that Bowl game
against Notre Dame, where he you know had the shoulder injury,
you know, and obviously Darth Vader gainst submerged, and Dad
he does in the back to tank to heal with
all the burns and all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
And then so was he watching all the movies while
he was in them?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And maybe he could have been I don't know if
a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I think he felt like Darth Vader in the hyper
Battle Chamber probably, and and and then apparently Jackson Dart
has the one streak of EyeBlack because.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
The Annan Skywalker star.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So I guess we need like a big Yoda fan
now or maybe a big obi Wan fan something like that.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Let's just hope the force is strong with both of them.
But I think can we.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And we also hope the force is going to be
strong with the Giants next election.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Like I love it. Okay, that's great that that's there
in their free time there there, you know, I want
to keep it in. But like the last thing that
I want to tell a team and and these fans
like this the minute I get drafted, is like I'm
a treky.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You would rather be a Star Wars fan than a Trekky?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, Okay, but like I like, you know, I mean,
all right, it's it's a little bit out there, but yeah, sure,
I mean I think it works out great. Darth Vader,
you know, the dark side you're on, you're playing, you're
on defense.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Wasn't gonna bring it up, but Paul culture reference that
he could relate to, and I think that's where we go.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Remember John Randall with the Vikings, should wore that blue
a purple deep purple shield inside his shelmet, and he
looked like somebody from Vader's side of the forest Giants.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I am a big chewy fan.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Here we go. Well, you're an offensive. We've had way
to it, he said.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
And that's as far as I'll go with the Star
Wars stove. But I don't think things ended well with
with Anakin, right well, I.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Mean, hey, he became don If there are kids out
there listening that haven't seen the movies, I don't want
to ruin it for him. Soiler from like nineteen eighty
one and the Giants pick is in It is Darius Alexander.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Defensive giant on the spot. Occasionally I get.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
One wow, look at that, Thank goodness, snatched somebody in
the trench that's a nice So let me give you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I'm gonna give you the details here on Darius Alexander. Right,
he's a fat of four wing Indiana. He's gonna turn
twenty five years old in August, just under six to fourth.
The combine he measured into six zho three seven. That's
sixty three and seven eights, three hundred and five pounds
thirty four inch arm shot. Nice, and that's at the
combine where they were measuring all the arms shorts, so
he was probably closer to thirty four and a half.
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He had seven and a half sacks for Toledo last year,
five and a half the year before, twenty two career sacks.
He was again in school, he played for five years,
had a six year that was a red shirt year
back in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
That's why he's a little bit of an older prospect.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Jump thirty one inches, broad jump over nine foot, so
pretty good athletic testing numbers as well.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Just a bit of an older prospect, but he is.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Your long, athletic, knifing upfield type of pass rusher that
I think will fit very nicely next to Dexter Lawrence Throw,
Chauncey Golston, into that mix there as well as a
potential pass rushing three technique with Abdul Carter. Let me
tell you this, Giants defensive line is young with promise,
and they're impressive.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
You don't watch on We're looking at a possibility now.
If you were to put Alexander the three technique spot
next to Dexter, you could have Golston playing the edge
as the hold the edge and setting the edge against
the run as a defensive end. You don't even have
to move Golston. You could play him next to Alexander
on the outside edge.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I mean, but then you got to take Burns, Thibodeau
or well Abdul Carter off the field again.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But if it gives you, it gives you some options, Yes,
it does, especially if it's going to be against the run,
because we know that Abdul Carter at the beginning is
going to be more of a pass rusher than he
will be on obvious run stopping doubts. I think this
is this is this is a real healthy pick. Alexander
has a lot of, as you said, athletic tools in
his toolbox. He's got a lot of moves and a
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lot of tricks up his sleeve. He can do a
lot of things to escape and to shed guys, and
next to Dexter, that's gonna be a real headache for people.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And again I watched them with the Senior Bowl close up,
and he just has the body of a defensive lineman
that looks like is going to be successful in the
league for a long time.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Sean, let me ask.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
That there were some people that said that he kind
of he had some flashes of Leonard Williams, who the Giants.
I don't think he's jet trade, but in terms of
Leonard Williams was a long armed guy, and like that
was one of the biggest things him coming out of us.
See all of his highlights. He was just ragged on.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But it was like watching the Three Stooges, I think.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
When Curly would hold him back there. But as soon
as you mentioned long arms, like that's one of the
things as an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I was gonna ask you that question.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
You would literally you watched me like, dude, this guy's
got go go gadget arms, Like JPP was one of
those guys where it was like you can't like you
just felt like you were waving your hands in the air.
You know, trying to block him. So if you get
a guy with long arms that uses his hands really well,
it's really tough. I mean, it makes life really challenging
as an offensive line when trying to get to that guy.
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So you know, it's interesting because they're they're talking about
him he's a penetrator. So you get a guy with
long arms like that, that's that's the penetrator. You know
that that's tough like that, that's that's something that's disrupting
things in the a gap knifing through. And to couple
that with Dexter Lawrence. Look, this defense, it's obvious that
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the Giants came out of this past season and said, look,
we've got to get more physical upfront. We've got to
get faster and get more explosive Abduel Carter and now
with Darius Alexander, I think they accomplished that. You know,
I think when you look at the fact that he
went to Toledo, like you said, so maybe he's a
little bit raw, He's still got some things he's got
to learn. I think dra Patterson has got to be
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so happy right now. He's grinning ear to ear Sewan
Dre Patterson I've known him back when I was in Cleveland.
He has coached some of the best defensive linemen who
have ever played in his game. And what is Jade
is phenomenal at teaching these guys how to get better
with their hands, the techniques, add some moves to their
to their passwords, repertoire. He's he's a heck of a coach.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I'm sorry for jumping on you. But the one thing
that and he's told this me that Andre Patterson values
is length. He likes are long. He talked about that
with Dexter Lawrence. I was talking to the other day
Roy Robertson Harris, the other defensive tackle they bought, and
he's got thirty five inch arms. He was excited about
him as a player. So you know, he's a guy
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that I think can can play really well.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
One of the things I noticed about Brian Burns the
first time I saw him to super long arms. Yep,
Like he can standing straight up.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
All right. So I'm gonna this was my summary on
Darisa that I was there, and then we're gonna bring
him Bob Papa here. This is These are my notes
strong long athletic defensive tackle for from a small school
that flashed dominos on tape but lacked dominant production. Rod
Pass Rush relying mostly on length, strength of athleticism with
potential to grow despite being an older prospect. Very strong
run defender uses length well to get off of blocks.
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Got it, That's what I saw from watching.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I like your opening line, strong long found to get
the friction on. I think there's a song.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
What is that from?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I'm not gonna sing you guys.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I just try to get you into trouble. I think
I either stay where you.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Were going with that jo wound to get the friction on.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, that stop, please?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think it's the who wants to talk about the
Giant's picking round number three?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Bob? How you doing, buddy kind.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
I'm surprised Sean didn't have thrown a random like nineteen
ninety eight movie reference.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Oh you missed that? Actually we already did.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Yeah, wait, we did the eastbound of Down thing. Smoke's
not a fan. Paul's never heard of it.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Oh, unless it's unless it's Godfather Won Paul hasn't.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Heard of it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, Paul did take a Star Wars reference, so he
it wasn't move from the seventies, just the rog one, Bob.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
All Right, Darius Alexander right, defensive tackle John I heard
all the things that you said. I talked to a
bunch of people independently that were down at the senior ball.
They were really intrigued. Obviously he didn't come from a
major program, but I think, you know, you just keep
adding depths on that defensive front, right, I mean you
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got Nacho, You've got Roy Robertson Harris. I mean, you're
you're adding all these pieces. You bring some youth into it, because,
let's face it, some of the guys that they've brought
in the last couple of years, I don't know if
they've distinguished themselves.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So I like it.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
I really thought the Giants might go running back here
because of the some of the players that were on
the board.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
And you know, I really still feel like they got
to upgrade the running back room. I'm sure they can
get one in the fourth round because Gray has been
unimpressive to this point. But uh yeah, I mean I
like to pick. I like the fact that clearly he
must have been the best player on their board because
it's not an area in which you would be drafting
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from a need standpoint. Still no old Lineman Shan, which
is kind of interesting. But yeah, I think they're trying
to hold true to their board at this point.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, and look, I mean there's there were definitely a
couple of tackles that I'm sure that they were kind
of looking at. But you know, again, like you said,
they're going based on the grade, and you know what,
maybe they had a late third round. I mean, it's
one thing to have a third round pick on a guy.
This was the first pick of the third round. So
like essentially it's if you had a second round grade
on a guy, that's what you're going to.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Tell you ideally want to pick a second round grade with.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Like, if you have a third round grade on somebody,
you want to take him in late in the third round.
Now you feel like, oh, you're getting somebody that you
know with better value or even in the fourth you know,
top of the fourth.
Speaker 8 (35:29):
Yeah, well, I was thinking of the Wellington Marras story
that we told last night. I mean, you know, lands
zer Line from NFL dot Com and numerous others have
a second round round grade on this guy. So you know,
they might have been debating over people in the third round,
and you know, someone might have stood in front of
the electronic board and said, well, wait a second, we
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got a second round grade on this guy, so they
took him again. I don't have a problem drafting when
you have a position of strength. If he's the best
player on your board, you know, it's meritocracy. Let the
best man win. And if you were drafted a couple
of years ago at that same position and you haven't
done much, well guess why you're going to get your
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butt kicked by somebody new coming in. It's better than
you or earn your keep.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah, and Bob, you know what, Like you mentioned he's
coming in and you said, you know, get some fresh legs,
get some young talent. Look, we also the Giants brought
in Jeremiah Ledbetter Detackle from Jacksonville. You mentioned Roy Robertson Harris,
but they also Chauncey Golston. I don't think we talked
about him as well. So this D line room like
they're gonna have to add some chairs to that D
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live stacked. It's I mean, that thing is loaded. We
might we might be running a five three defense.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Needed to be.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
It needed to be, You're right, Paul, because last year
they couldn't stop the run to save their lives, and
they couldn't stop the run in twenty twenty three to
save their lives. You know, we remember the you know,
the hiring of Bowen and and Dave was saying, you know,
he's good against the run. Well, they weren't good against
the run last year, so that's right, you told bodies
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at it. I kind of almost look at Goldston as
like a three four pass rushing end more than that
ru run stuffer. But they got a lot of bodies
in here. Competition is good. It's a meritocracy. At the
end of the day. You're not tied into a ton
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of money to anybody. So except bri ian'm the best
man win. And you know, maybe the other thing is
get to the end of camp, or you get somewhere
in camp and suddenly you spend one of these guys
off in a trade, not a lot of the guys
they drafted.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I think it's important to remember that. Just yesterday when
we talked to Joe Shane, he spoke of how important
it was for him to hold on to pick number
sixty five when he made the trade to go up
into the first round to get Jackson Dart. He said
the sixty five was incredibly important to him. He wasn't
moving that pick. He moved in ninety nine instead in
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that deal probably cost him that third rounder next year.
But in his mind, he must have believed that he
was going to get a bona fide, serious, serious player
in this slot. So I feel very good about his
intent and what it is that he probably put into
making the selection.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Well, he was probably also thinking that some of these quarterbacks,
you know, Jalen Milroe still hasn't been drafted, while everybody's
on Shador watch, which you know, the NFL has now
spoken all thirty two teams have spoken twice, and you
know it's not you know, people are like, just think
about the Giants fans that were calling in the BBK
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and on my podcast and on my serious x Cmer
NFL radio show that we're talking about tanking for Shador
and the Giants might have blown it by winning an
extra game and now they can't get Shador. Well in
the third we're in the third round right now, he
hasn't been taken. So the NFL scouts, GMS personnel people
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and NFL coaching staffs that have gotten their eyes on
them few them as a backup with maybe the potential
to be a part time starter. Nobody's used him as
a first run starting quarterback in the NFL, right, and
the league has spoken here's where we are. So I think,
you know, when you take a look at all this
and Paul, you know you talked about not wanting to
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surrender that first pick of the third round. You know,
guys get pushed down the board when quarterbacks go. Then
teams have some people off their board that others don't.
So Joe Shane didn't want to give up this pick
because it's basically a second round pick. You're getting a
player with a second round grade when you have the
first pick of the third round.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Sure, Bob, good stuff, my friend. Any party words before
we say goodbye?
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Yeah? I mean, I think if you're a Giants, you
have to be really impressed and you have to be
very happy by what the team has done thus far.
Hopefully they add some on line, Hopefully they had a
running back in here somewhere along the way. But you know,
I think the Giants, this is a feeling amongst Giants
fans of immense optimism right now, not that they're going
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to necessarily knock the Eagles off and win the division
or whatever, but that the Giants are going to be relevant,
and they're going to be competitive, and we're going to
get to December based on what they've done defensively and
the other moves that they've made, and we're going to
get to December and the Giants are going to be
in the conversation with well, if we win this one
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and that one and this happens, we got a chance
to get a wildcard spot. I think that's all fans
want to see at this point in time. Yeah, we
wont super Bowls and championships, but after what people have
been through, just stay relevant, just just be in the mix.
And if it doesn't go then you know, all right,
we'd hear the little touch up we need moving forward.
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But you know, you know, I think fans have been,
you know, gotten tired of being eliminated by Halloween or Thanksgiving,
and I think there's a real energy with the Giant
fan base right now.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Thank you, Bob Papa, Bob Papa, Voice of the Giants,
appreciate Hopeully.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
We'll see up here soon, Bob. Enjoy the rest of.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
Your You'll see me on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I can't wait to see it. Bob.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
All right, but there's Bob Papa, the Voice of the Giants,
joining us right here on the Giants Draff Reaction Show,
brought to you by Christron Sean Harrah has to part
here Darius Alexander is waiting for him. You could talk
about how he can use his long arms to keep
you off of his h offie.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
All right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, his office so long you might be able to
reach through the zoom, so that'll be pretty impressive. I
he can do that, all right. I'm gonna slide over
here a fall so we can get little Is that right?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Pierson? Can I slide over the camera?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
We have a comment from Dan Salomon who said, Joe
shanees presser, Oh what has he got? He says that
Alexander is a three technique that we know did a
lot of work on him. They felt they needed to
add some youth to the offen line. Had a really
good week with him at the Senior Bowl. You know
that you were there. He can develop with the depth
they have on the roster quote high ceiling unquote wow
for Alexander.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, that's what I said too, And I'm gonna I'm
gonna read Dame Brugler's description and then James and Georgia.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I know you've been holding a long time. We will
get to you in just a second.
Speaker 7 (42:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
This was Dame Brugler's summary and the Beast on Darius Alexander,
which I had not read until now, and it sounds
a lot like mine, to be honest with you. Overall,
Alexander is in yet the full sum of his parts,
but his blend of power, length, and athletic body control
give him the makings of a three down scheme versatile
NFL starter. He projects best in an attacking role, where
he'd be able to maximize his disruptive straits. His peak
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plays are reminiscent of Leonard Williams traits.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Has a lot of really good ones hip.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Absolutely all right, two one nine, three, nine, four five
one three, guys, we're gonna go for about a lot
on the twenty more minutes here, and we'll take your
calls reacting to the giants Bak. If you want to
talk to us about Abdul Carter and Jackson Dart, we
can of course do that as well. Let's go to
James and Georgia. He's been hanging out with us the longest. James,
what's going on?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
How?
Speaker 9 (43:04):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (43:06):
I'm taking my phone call again today. Yes, sir, I
know Jenn was talking earlier about I asked you about
prospects and you ran off a list. So I'm pretty
sure you probably named Alexander.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I definitely did. Yeah, he was in there.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
Okay, I don't think he'd make it.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
To be honest with you, what happened. I didn't think
Alexander would last that long?
Speaker 7 (43:29):
Okay, Okay, A good player.
Speaker 9 (43:32):
Yeah, I like to pick, love the pick that. I
think they're doing a great job in the draft so far.
I was just gonna have a couple of questions, like
how is his is his run stopping like good? For
the conference he played in? Is a decent run stopper?
You know that he fit what we need on this team.
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And then I just got two more after that.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
He sheds very well. That's what we were talking about before,
about trades and tools because of his length. Yes, yes,
so so we can counter. He can use moves to
beat guys right off the snap. Yes, absolutely. Now he's
more than three technique. He's he's a penetrator. All right,
he's going to come off the ball and he's not
going to anchor and just plug a gap.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
That's not what he does. He attacks.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
He's a downhill guy.
Speaker 9 (44:21):
He's not like a snacks run stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
No no no no no no no no no no
no no.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
No no no think think more. Leonard Williams.
Speaker 9 (44:27):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So this is the second year our
coaches coached in the All Star Games.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
And I'm not.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
Sure if one of our coaches, because I know we
will send some a lot of offensive guys actually got
hands on with Alexander.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And Andre Patterson was not down there, so we did
not have anyone down there with him.
Speaker 8 (44:51):
I don't know, Okay, but that's that's so.
Speaker 9 (44:54):
That's been you know, all the guys that we've been drafting,
like I said, especially the last two years, that we've
got a lot of exposure to, they've been working out
so far.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's the idea. The league does that on purpose, right,
They go to the teams that had a difficult season,
and they say, okay, let's get some of these guys
on the stabs of these All Star Games. They want
to try to give them at least some flavor and
taste of those prospects so they can have a better
chance of trying to get better players, to improve the
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parody and the balance of the.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
League media and the mediocrity.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well, that you, James, I'm gonna let you say that tonight.
I'm trying to be nice, Okay, So I've got.
Speaker 9 (45:36):
Too Because Sean was just talking about like the front
they would we would start to run or we could
run with packages. I'm gonna ask both of mine and
then get off, uh.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Five two four?
Speaker 8 (45:52):
What would that look like?
Speaker 9 (45:53):
Who would you put in there? And would it actually
I know it will probably work, but you know, how
would you make it work? And at this point, going
back to Bob's point, and I know a lot of
us have called in the past before, and we were
on board with taking two shots at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
This was before we.
Speaker 9 (46:17):
Find two in the off season, a lot of people
will calling about and I was the one who would
take two swings at quarterback in this draft, and is
I would take a swing at a chador on the
four because you're not losing anything at that point if
he follows that four fall that far.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
And James, there there is any room from the roster.
Speaker 9 (46:41):
Well, I mean you'd have to cut, You'd have to
cut Tommy, You'd have to let Tommy de Beato go.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Well, not just Tommy, you had to let James Winston go, uh.
Speaker 9 (46:50):
For for a for for to bring in a foot well, because.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, you can't have four to the door on the.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
What's it called the practice?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
So yeah, I'm not I James appreciate the call. Yeah
I don't. I don't think that's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
So I looked it up. By the way, so.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Joel Thomas, who was the Giants running back coach, was
now he went back to the Saints. Since then, he
was the offensive coordinator for Jackson Dart at the Senior Bowl.
So I do wonder if the Giants, you know, if
he still talk to the Giants about that, and whether
or not he got some good feedback to them on
Dart in terms of what he did at the Senior Bowl.
Shane Bowen coached the national team. I'm gonna check which
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team Darius Alexander was on.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
The only thing I was going to say about, Yes
Dart is with all of the multiple connections the Giants had,
I don't know how much more information they needed about him,
But I think it's still a good point.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So Alexander was on Bowen's team at the senior point.
He was so Bowen was he was the head coach,
not the defensive coordinator obviously, but that's someone you can
keep your eye on there as someone that he was
exposed to while he was down there.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
So if you're at practice, you could still see practice habits.
So even if it's not necessarily a position coach. Oh, absolutely,
you still know what's going on. And I'm sure he
got reports from the guys working on him.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
So good point that you brought up. Yeah, very good point. James,
appreciate the call. Two on one nine three, nine four
five one for YouTube question if you guys, oh yeah,
what do you got? Here's please asking what this means
for Chapman. If this moves him down the depth chart,
if he's a rotational guy.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I think he's got to fight for a job. It's competition,
that's what it.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Is for I'm sorry, Paul, I'm I'm an idiot. Chaane
Bowen was one of the head coaches at Shrine this year. Okay,
I forget was the head coach at Senior Bowl. I
had those two first yeah, Senior Bowls, and national team
head coach was Mike Kafka. So again not on the
defensive side, but he was there on the same roster.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Somebody who was present. Yes, that's that's the best way
to go about it. I forgot. I'm so fried right now. No,
last three months that we've done well, I remember who
was there. I just didn't remember who was on what
team notes in front of me. As far as Chapman,
it's no, it's competition. It's just that simple. It's competition
whoever was on this roster, especially if you were not
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a starter. Okay, especially those guys. You've got to fight now.
You've got to really fight for your job come August.
And there's nothing wrong with that because maybe the best
win win. That's how you get better. You have multiple
competitions at multiple positions, and every guy who wins is
supposed to make that position better. Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
John, all right, So we have Kyle Williams. By the way,
I should update since the Giants bake Dawoys. Yes, Ashton
Julot went to the Chiefs. Very good edge player. They're
really strengthening their trenches. There they picked an offensive lineman,
a defensive tackle, and an edge player.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Good players too.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Browns took tight and Harrold Fannon Jr. Not sure how
that works with Ndjoku.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
But maybe they're gonna go to a lot of twelve personnel.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I guess they could do that, Darien porter Al Davis
selecting guys with great testing, very raiders type of there.
Then you had Kyle Williams go to the New England Patriots.
They finally select the wide receiver, and a pretty good
one as well, though going ahead of Jalen Nole was surprising.
I don't know why he's dropping so much. Man, Maybe
you know I was. I've been wrong on receivers before.
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Vernon Brown to the New Orleans Saints. The Texas He's
a run stuffing defensive tackle type. Bill's at seventy two
selected Landon Jackson. He's a good, powerful edge run stuffer type.
So I think that's a nice pick for them. And
then the Jets just picked Florida State cornerback Azare Thomas,
so he'll be a good bump and run player for them.
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Remember that's the scheme that Aaron Glenn wants to run.
He wants to be up in your face, bump and
run type of defensive coordinator. That's what Azaree Thomas does
as a big, powerful, rangey type of cornerback. So I
think good pick there. All right, let's get back to
the phones. Marcus and Rochester is up next. Marcus, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Man?
Speaker 7 (50:51):
Hey? What's up?
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Man? Hi?
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Yeah? I wanted to say, man to the like the
Giants fans. I think we're doing a great job what
we're doing right now. We pick in need and value
and it's matching both in areas we need and definitely
with the Jackson Dark I like that pick. I like
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all the picks we make in and I'm going to
be a head coach in college down in North Carolina.
So I just got this one thing to say to
Joe Shane. When you start listening to the fans, you're
gonna start sitting with the fans. So you know, just
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keep doing what you're doing, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Not appreciate the call, Marcus, And look, Joe Shane's not
No NFL team is gonna operate that way, right, So
I think you're absolutely right. Follow your process, trust the
way you do things. Pick the guys that you think
are the best, and that's it. That's how you that's
how you need to operate if you want to be
a successful franchise.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
There's a lot of outside noise in New York. It
gets really loud, but Joe Shane is good at blocking
it out.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, so far that that's for sure. As the Giants
have picked some pretty good value guys here in this drafting,
including trading up to get a quarterback that they help
can develop into a franchise. Guy Dean is in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
He's up next. Hi Dean?
Speaker 10 (52:19):
Yeah, Hi, how are you doing?
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
We're great? What do you got?
Speaker 10 (52:23):
I have my thought about shadow standards why he hasn't
been drafted drafted then. I don't know if you guys
agree with me or not, but I feel like coaches
of all these teams are might be worried about their
job security by if they draft Standards because dancers are
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his dad might over might become the team coach the
following year if I may.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
And I'm going to be very nice and polite about this.
What everybody reads in the media, whether it's in the papers,
whether it's on radio, or whether it's on television, is media.
It's not the real scouting reports. There are times, and
I know some some people find this very hard to believe,
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but the teams who spend millions of dollars to have
dozens of scouts who scour these games around the country, bleed, sweat, tears,
all kinds of work that they put in for expensive,
expensive pieces of research, they know what they're doing a
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heck of a lot better than the folks who are
draft gurus. Not that I don't I don't want to
disrespect those guys, but they're not spending millions of dollars
sending people across the country every day, leaving their families
for weeks and months at a time. Okay, sometimes the
hype that you read in the media gives you a
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very false sense of the value of a player, and
maybe that's exactly what's just happened here.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Well, and look, and even if you talk all the
guys I had leaning up to the draft, not one
person I had on the Giants Otle podcast told me
he was a top fifteen player, top ten player. You're right,
they didn't. They had him as like a second round
type of quarterback. And based on what people were here,
and going into this about half the league had Sanders
ahead of Dart and vice versa. Right, it was kind
of a coin flipus to which one would go first.
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It turned out Dart one first, and then Tyler Shuk.
We've talked about him. His tape was probably just this
year better than any other quarterbacks tape it was, except
for cam Ward Like that's how good he looked at
Louisville this year. Now you have the agent, injuries and
all that stuff, and then look there's stuff that goes
along with Chador Sanders. It just is I mean, look
at all the attention he's getting for not being drafted.
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What happens if you know he's not a guy that
was gonna go in there and start right away, much
like Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
He was gonna need some seasoning. The minute he goes
on your team, on your bench, the pressure's just gonna
build to play him if things don't go well, without
a doubt. So all those things going to the equation.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Obviously, I'm not going to comment on the reports of
the meetings and how those win at the combine and
all that stuff that's out there. You've heard it. I
don't know if they're right or wrong, but they're out there,
and look, do you don't have that many teams that
had picks that were in dire need of a quarterback.
The Steelers passed on him, the Browns have now passed
on him multiple times. Clearly that's not a guy they
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wanted in Cleveland, otherwise they would have picked him by now.
The Steelers are coming up here in about ten selections.
I think if he's still there, I think the Steelers
would probably pick him in that spot. All the reports
were that they were really in consideration with him in
the first round, So if he's still there, would imagine
he would get picked at that selection. If he's still
on the board, so wolf to wait and see when
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he gets picked. In appreciate the call, but look, Dame
Brugler had him and I think in the thirties on
his big board. But look, quarterback is a very specific
position to scout. You're either gonna want the guy to
be the leader team or you're not based a lot
on his personality. And look, that's just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Some of the NFL people that we did talk to
at the combine, and we're talking about not media people,
but NFL people flat out said he's gonna have to
go to a place that's going to be conducive to
all the things that he does do and covers up
the stuff that he doesn't do well. He was gonna
need to go to a place where a really good
offensive line. John, we heard that. We heard that they
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were going to have to have a good run game
as well. We heard that. We also heard that his
receivers were gonna have to be really special receivers who
are going to be able to attack the ball and
get open. We heard that too. Well, you're now asking
about three pretty big boxes that have to be checked simultaneously.
You know not every team in the league can do that,
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right now.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Don't disagree?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Two one nine three nine four five one three two
A one nine three nine four five one three. Let's
wrap things up our final call the show. It's lenning Columbia, Maryland.
Speaker 7 (56:53):
Len.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
What's going on? Pal?
Speaker 7 (56:54):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (56:54):
How you doing? Guy?
Speaker 3 (56:55):
You must have been happy with mister Alexander Len.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
How about that? You know? John? Once Williams went at
the end of the first round, I thought to myself, well,
we just just pick Alexander at thirty four, and then,
of course we made a trade, but yeah, I really
wanted the guy.
Speaker 7 (57:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
You you said something the other day that was kind
of interesting, Sean. You said you thought we might play
a more traditional three to four at least on first
and second down. And boy, Alexander's perfect for that six'
four three or, five perfect height and. Weight, great great.
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Pick and of course we all know we he was
just going to pick a defensive tackle. THERE i, mean
we had to take. One we're all tired of seeing
us get gashed and complaining about it for the last
ten games of the. Season and this is this is
going to make a big. Difference it's going to make
a big. Difference and the first two, PICKS i, mean you,
know what can you? Say these are from as far
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back As, january it seemed like the plan was bridge
quarterback and ringing a young quarterback in the. Draft and you,
know they. Did they did just what they said they
were going to, do and you, know hopefully it works
out With Dark but, hey you, KNOW i think there
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was a. MANDATE i can't prove, this, obviously BUT i
think there was a. Mandate they had to get a.
Quarterback they had to pick a. QUARTERBACK i really believe.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
THAT i think they wanted to pick a. Quarterback, LEN
i don't think it was a.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Mandate if anything goes a mandate From Joe, shane WHERE
i think they wanted a young quarterback on the roster.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
Thing in case you want to get another.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Quart Lenn just the other, Day Joe shane said to
Us le Lenn Hold on just the other, Day Joe shane,
said because of the two veteran quarterbacks he, signed it
was not mandatory to draft a. Quarterback he flat out told,
you right to your.
Speaker 4 (58:52):
Face, yeah, Okay, paul he.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
DID i got the, Sense, paul they wanted to pick
a QUARTER i think they wanted.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
To but when he says it wasn't, mandatory there's a
difference between one two and.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Mandatory although they weren't going to pick a, quarterback they
didn't like just trying to take a.
Speaker 4 (59:06):
PICK i just think as far back As, january the plan,
was you got to take a, quarterback you got to
pick a.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Qrd WHAT i got? One so who cares what the
plan was In?
Speaker 3 (59:17):
January we got?
Speaker 4 (59:19):
Three according to WHAT i thought the plan. Was i'm
with that one last thing from as far back As,
JANUARY i don't, know maybe this is, obvious but as
far back As, JANUARY i felt like there was a
sense of urgency for the first, time all the way
back to the first draft they handled in twenty, TWO
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i just felt this. Year, again this may be, obvious
BUT i just felt there was an urgency there from
the guys they were picking up during the. SEASON i,
mean it's been a great off, season terrific off season
right up to this, draft doing exactly what they said
they were going to, do and there was an urgency
there to get it. DONE i like. That Go, giants
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thanks for taking my.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Call, guys thanks, allan thank you appreciate the.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Call And i'm sure you guys were watching you saw
my little pen flip.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
There let him, Know, john Because Jerry jones is doing
a dance on THE, tv just.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Say well he should, BE i, know and when when
well and just to just, FOLKS i said. It when
The giants got to Pick, paul who DID i, say
is my highest graded player left on my?
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Board when The giants came to.
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Pick, revel The South Carolina East Carols carolina cornerback well.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Guests to The, cowboys just took a pick number seventy.
Six speak of The.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Devil come, on oh, man, geez all, right that is
very good value for them right.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
There which is which?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
IS i think The eagles and The commanders and The
cowboys have all done very well in this, draft and
that does not make me.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Happy, well the whole division, IS i, think and.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
The GIANTS i Think i've done really well, too by the,
Way but just you, Know i'd rather have them do
poorly and The giants. Will but it is what it,
is all, right, folks we'll be back with you. TOMORROW
i think the plan is eleven thirty. Percent we're gonna come.
On we'll take some calls before the. Pick we'll get
your reaction to what's happened so. Far come in join.
Us it'll be. Fun don't worry about the one call
a week where we can come in. Call we could
have longer. Conversations we're gonna make it attempt to stay
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onto the fifth round. PICK i don't know if we're
gonna make, it, guys but we will. Try but we'll
at least stay on for an, hour at the very
least until one. O'clock so we're gonna go at least
until one as long as we keep getting your. Calls
we're gonna need them in order uh to do the,
show so we would appreciate it if you join us
For Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
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Welcome to our Giants Draft reaction show, presented by Christron
John Schmelk, once again joined by Mike compatriots Paul Tatino
and Sean O'Hara. We're gonna take your calls here, guys
at two A one nine three, nine four five one three.
We're gonna go for one hour. That's what the league allows.
The Giants are six picks away, though the Ravens pick
is in. I think the league's a little behind here.
I think there are about to at least two picks
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behind in terms of picks being in and them announcing
the selections.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So commercial considerations gotta pay those sponsors.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, you also hope they have a lot of like
people coming up and they're doing emotional presentations and such,
so that's taking up.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Some extra time.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So we're probably i'd say around twenty minutes or so
away from the Giants selection. I say, give or take.
We'll have that selection for you here. We'll tell you
who the Giants take, we will react to it. Will
Bob Papa join us after the pick and then we
will take your calls, and we want to get him
before the pick too, to tell us who you think
the Giants should pick. We can do that as well
at two to one nine three, nine four five one three.
(00:53):
All right, so we haven't had that many big surprises
here in round number two. I'll go through a couple
of them. I'm not gonna list all the picks because
I'm sure you're tracking this on your own, folks. Mike
Green is still on the board, the edge rusher from Marshall,
who has some off the field legal issues from the past.
But I had a you know, I think he's a
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first round type player in terms of talent, but he's
still on the board. Tyler Shook went to the Saints
Shardoor Sander's still on the board. Aaranta Urseri went. A
couple running backs are off the board. Travion Henderson and
Quinn Shawn Jenkins, Luther Burden, Jaden Higgins, Jack Besh, Trey
Harris off the board at wide receiver, defensive tackle just
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Tyler Williams and t J.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Sanders.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No one else off the board yet at that spot.
Will Johnson and Benjamin Morrison, the two banged up cornerbacks,
they are off the board at that position. No safeties
have gone off the board yet today, and those are
and three tight ends I should have mentioned Elijah Royo,
Mason Taylor, and Terrence Ferguson are off the board at
that spot. Offensive line, Ozzie Trappolo off the board, Jona
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seven Ia off the board, he's a guard, Tate Rattlers
just got taken. And Anthony Belton, the offensive tackle of
MENSI State is off the borderlowth ariante Urseri. So those
are the major guys that are off the board. Let's
kind of start here with you first, Paul, what are
some of the spots and players that you're keeping an
eye on? The are heading in to pick number sixty five. Remember,
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the Giants only have one selection today. They selected abdul
Quater third over. But then you just picked ninety nine
and thirty four. Tim, We'll have to pick twenty five
to select Jackson Dart. So, Paul, who are you looking
at here for the Giants loan pick on day three
at pick number sixty five?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
In what positions?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think the positions for me would be a defensive tackle,
It would also be offensive line, and it would also
be running back. Those would be the three spots that
I would be looking for the best player available and
see how high the value is I'll give you one
guide each position. John, how about we do Yeah, let's
do that. Joshua Farmer, Florida State defensive tackle. I think
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there's a legit shot he might be there at sixty five.
I think Alexander's going to be gone before that, so
I'm going to go former.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'll see there's not that many picks left in A
defensive tackle has not gone since pick thirty three when
Alfred Collins went. Him and TJ Standards are the two
defensive tackles off the bit.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
It is interesting. I was a rush on edge rushers,
but not really the interior g Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, So I would be looking at Scatabo if from
Arizona State, Cameron Scatibo, if he could get there at
sixty five again, I'd be surprised, but hey, you never know.
That would be very exciting for me. And then on
the offensive line, Marcus Mabou out of Purdue is probably
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the guy right now who I think could potentially be
at sixty five. And he's got some swing guard tackle versatility,
and I think he would be a guy that might
be interested for me there.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
All right, I'll give you one name in each position.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Two and then Sewan you can kind of give what
positions you're keeping an eye on here. You don't have
to give names. You can just give spots if you want.
I'll give one offensive line. I think Whitt Millan would
be the next best guy on the board for me.
He played tackle college. Think he's more of a guard
in the NFL, but he's a good player. He's a
guy that I think you can consider at guard. At
a running back, you mentioned Cam Scattabow, I'll bring up
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Caleb Johnson and Damian Martinez and Dylan Sampson.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Those are my next three running backs.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I think they're all a little bit different, to be
totally honest with you, in terms of play style, and
I think they're all good players.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And then the other position you have was defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You mentioned Darius Alexander Schamar Turner is the other guy
a throw out there, a defensive tackle who's very talented.
I think he's a guy that I would look at
here if you're looking for more of an upfield guy,
if you're looking for more of a plugger type, I
think you're looking at the CJ. West Jordan Phillips group
for the next plugger type. Or if you like Jamari
called loll a lot. The defensive tackle of Oregon was
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a big man. He's a large fellow. That's another guy
you can look at that spot. If you look at
a wide receiver. My man Jalen Knowles still on the board, Baby,
I'm a huge fan of his. If he's still around,
I'd be tempted to take a look at him. Sean,
what are your big needs year and things you're focusing
on for the Giants?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Well, let's start off where you ended with the receiver. Noel.
He's a burner, right. I think he ran like a
four to three yep, so he's got some wheels five
to ten, two hundred pounds. So I definitely think the
Giants look the offensively, we need points like so we
need some offensive firepower. Yes, Jackson Tart, Jackson Dart was
a great draft pick for us last night, but he's
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probably not going to see the field in the first
half of the season if things go you know, as
well as everybody hopes they do. But I definitely think receiver,
you need some youngers guys. You need somebody to pair
with Milaigue neighbors, and anytime you have a guy with
that kind of world class speed. You'll find a way
to get him out on the field, to find a
way to get him involved in the offense. I think
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the other guy that I was looking at, Kyle Williams,
is still out there. I like Besh, we were talking
about best before, but he just went. Kyle Williams is
a guy that's out there as well Washington State. He
is part of that air raid offense. That could be
another possible fit. I think the running back thing, we
we all talked about it earlier. I think the Giants
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would like to add another running back, and Caleb Johnson
from Iowa still out there. You know. I think he's
a pretty physical guy, physical runner, so that that could
be a good fit. I'm never gonna say no to
no old lignment. You guys mentioned offensive line. I've already
thrown it out a couple of times into cav Hero
over there. I'm like, hey, Wow, we gotta got a
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guy to get after the quarterback. We got a quarterback.
How about somebody to protect the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Your guy Tate Rallige and Pearson's guy Tate Rallige both
off the point though. The the the mullet stash combination
is no longer a potential selection here.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah, yeah, Tate's down. And you know what Tate had.
I mean physical dude. He's a self proclaimed dirt bag,
so right out of the gate, I love him. But he
was a little banged up as well.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think he was actually an extra on Eastbounding Down?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Was he really.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Won't? I never actually watched Span Down. I just known,
you know, I never actually did watch it.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I think that's something you should keep yourself. You just
you just aired yourself out.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I have a lot of spelling. I have many shows
that I want to.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Watch three things at once.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
How is that possible?
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Though?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I haven't.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
You're you're a multitasking you can find time.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
The problem is that actually like to focus in on
like a show. So if I'm gonna like do one thing.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's what.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
It's great. And it's great.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I heard it's a funny show.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It is a good show.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
He annoys me a little bit, though, the actor what's
his name? Yeah, he's a little annoying anyway, bride.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah, he's still not in the whole conditioning thing into.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The whole condition all right, back to test any idea
what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
No, I love that he didn't even you haven't watched it, Paul.
It's not even on his hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
No, it is not all right, they canceled blue Blood.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
That's all I need a loan blue Bloods. Wow, you're
watching TV with my dad.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I was literally about to say, if it's not on
CBS at nine, not o'clock, Paul's not watching it. He
literally named the show that's not CBS a clock.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
That's awesome, blue Bloods. Blue Blood is a great show. Anyway,
what were we talking about, Toms Tom Selleck. Is he
available for the draft?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Oh dude?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Okay, So I have to give the last two picks here,
because of course, the Baltimore Ravens picked the last guy
with the first round grade on by board and Mike Green,
and you know, he's gonna go to Baltimore. He's not
gonna get into any trouble. He's gonna be a saint
and he's not gonna have any issues. And he's gonna
have like eighteen sacks of the Ravens because that's what
happens with players the Ravens draft.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And then my guy, yeah you are j Harvey.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I had a second round grade on him and no
one else really did and I thought I was out
on a limb, and then the Broncos gonna pick him
at sixty. He is fast, he's elusive, He's a lot
of fun. Sean Payne is gonna have have a ton
of fun with r J.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Harvey.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What do they do with Alvin Kamara for all those years?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well, that's what they're gonna do with r J. Harvey. Yeah, man,
that is a good pick.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Oh that annoys me just because that's such a good fit.
And I wish anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I forgot what we were.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Talking about off as line. Yeah, we got distracted by
that was Miles Frasier was another guy that's out there.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I like Fraser, but I think for the next round.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
You know, I think the interesting thing with the Giants
is they need a guard and I think they also
need to tackle. So but you're only gonna probably take one,
you know, I don't know if they can draft one
of each. So do you get a guy that played
tackle and can also play guard or a guy that
played guard and can also swing out play tackle.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Hey, Gary Clark announced in the pick for the Command
there's excellent wide receiver from the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You can make argument He should be in the Hall
of Fame, by the way, if you look at the stats.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I mean that whole receiving crew, right, Gary Clark.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
ARBONGK TJ.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
S not t J.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Sanders. What was the first name of the Rickey Sanders?
Like Sanders. That's a good pick, a good pick for
the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That is a good pick. I thought he was an
early second round guy. That's a good get for them
right there.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
All right, So that's sixty one.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So we're we are three picks away close.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Jalen Knowle still available. Caleb Johnson is still available.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Cam Scattabo is still available.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
You know there was a run on tight ends there
too for a little bit. I'll tell you. I think
if we could have got one of those tight ends too,
that would that would be that's good for the offense.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, Harold Fannon stole on the board, but I'm not
sure if that would be where the Giants would go
here he is, he is a good move tight end.
I think right now, of all the players we talked about,
Darius Alexander, Jalen Knowle, and Caleb Johnson would be the
guys that I have the highest on my board that
are left.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
So I think those are interesting guys to talk about.
We'll you take your calls.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
By the way, if you want to getting guys before
the Giants their pick, you can do that at two
one nine three nine four five one three two one
nine three nine four five one three. And I'm showing
no something you wanted to say, unless Paul, you have
something else on the guys left?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, okay, I saw you shuffling your paper. You are
right now.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm just shuffling to go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I'm sure there's some callers out there. I want them to,
you know, we should, you know, maybe take another quarterback. Right,
everybody's still talking about shador.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I think the better question is that if I made
an every day your shuffling reference of Paul and now
where that came from, I would say probably not that
is from like fifteen years ago now, but I think
it had to be for thirty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, exactly right. And then anything no nothing, no idea,
no idea.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Okay, it was worth the shot, all right, Sean, You
on how to point you on to make about the
giants two draft picks yesterday that you had a bit
of a revelation on driving home last night and the
wee hours of the evening that that that you wanted
to say today.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, I don't know if it's a revelation, but just
there was this feeling of euphoria that as I was
driving home last night and I was just kind of
channeling the Giants fans that were in Met Life last
night and as they were driving home from Met Life,
I was just thinking about how many times I've driven
home that same drive in the last couple of years,
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just kind of scratching my head, like where we headed,
what's going on? Like a lot more questions than answered.
And last night, for the first time in a long time,
driving home, I started thinking about Giants fans, and I'm thinking,
you know what, Like they are so giddy right now,
like getting Jackson Dark, getting Abdua Carter, a player on
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each side of the ball that could completely change the
trajectory of this franchise for the next five to ten years.
Like that's got to be something that's resonating with every
Giants fan. When you woke up this morning, when you
were driving home last night, you're talking to your friends.
I mean, I'm sure you guys are all getting text messages.
I can remember the last time that the Giants as
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a franchise had this much good happened to them in
one night. And I think look as a as a
former NFL player, I never looked at draft picks like, man,
they're going to come in and save us, or they're
going to come in and now we're going to win
Super Bowl because of this guy we was just drafted by.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
The way at Dual Carter.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Maybe, but let's not put a cape on Jackson Dart,
who's going to not even as Brian Dable said it yesterday,
is not even going to start right away.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Absolutely. I think that's where it's kind of like, all right,
I'm saying this because this is I'm extrapolating it over
the next few years. Correct, that's fair projecting it as
to what this could look like this franchise in the
next three to four years.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
If it works out as they envisioned it, and we.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Could very well look back and say, wow, you know
what that for that night, The fact that they were
able to get ad Duel Carter and get back into
the first round and get Jackson Dark completely altered the
direction of the franchise. And I think that's huge, and
I think That's what the draft is all about. It's
all about the potential of changing your team, the potential
of assembling some stud players. And I think the thing
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about Jackson Dart and Adual Carter, not just their talent,
not just their performance on the field, their production on
the field, that the quality of guys that they got.
I think these two guys they care about football first
and foremost.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
They're not looking to be celebrity. They don't want to
be on page six. They're not coming here because their
social media and their brand and they're trying to grow.
They're coming here and they're all business. They can't wait
to get to work. Anybody that talked to Abdul Carter
throughout that process knows that he's all business, and you
know he I think he thinks a lot of what
he can bring to the table. He already asked for
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Lawrence Taylor's number, which.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I don't know he tongue.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I don't think he asked for it.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I think he's I think he said, I have other
ideas and fifty six is come to mind because it's
a great number. I don't think he he legitimately asked
for but he said fifty six.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Are you trying to turn Paul against the giants? Start overall?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Pick is the minute you mentioned someone at LT in
the same Tentince, Paul gets very old.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Well know, Paul would be upset if he asked for
Pepper John's you know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well, to be honest with you, earlier today when he
was asked about that his media session, handled that very well,
He handled it extremely well, and.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well he well, I think he saw you in a
three point stance off the side of the stage.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Ready to charge up there. If he didn't answer it properly,
He's not.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I can't see there's any way that anybody is getting
fifty six.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
No, and I don't think he's getting eleven either way.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So yeah, but just to put a bow on that
whole conversation, the draft is all about hope.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You know, it's about hope. You took the way I
was gonna say. The draft is about this is.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
About hope for your franchise. And you know what, like, Okay,
we got some guys that you know what we can
we can get back into that. We're heading the right direction.
And look, Joe Shane has has been a pinata, you know,
for Giants fans for the last couple of years, and
as a general manager, like he knows it. He's like,
look that that that's part of the job is to
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look when things aren't going well, you're going to take
the heat and take the blame. But I think you've
also got to give him credit when he does a
good job. And last year's draft unbelievable production. And now
when you see what he just did in one night,
I think it was I think it gave a lot
of hope and I think that there are a lot
of positives that came out of that. So now they
got to go out and perform. But I thought that
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that was this This could be a big shift for
the franchise and for and for the fans.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, I'm with you, and I think this is even
more of a reason for you know, a lot of
Giant fans have been in the.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Ohank for the draft pick mode.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
This is even bigger reason now to try to, you know,
really hope this team wins a lot of games this year.
You know, because if this is a quarterback that Brian
Dable wanted to develop, you want to keep that connection together, right,
And I think you get that by having significant improvement
and have them winning a lot of football games. So
I think it makes its perspective during off asive coordinator
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Danielle Jones. So just go back to all these Sam
Darnold or Gino Smith. Go to all these high drafted
quarterbacks that's taking a while to develop or they've never developed.
It's because there's a lot of instability earlier in their career,
so it's important to try to keep that stable moving forward.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, I think you know the fact that he's coming here,
and by the way, Jackson Dort himself was extremely professional
and well composed when he addressed the news media.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And we had the press conference.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
To say, the reason I didn't bring it up, Paul
because both guys were so solid and didn't say anything
that I thought was worth noting.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I just didn't think there was much to talk about there, to.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Be honest with, They both handled themselves as professional. They
were great, and quite honestly, I didn't expect anything else,
because you know, we met Darrett at the combine John
and he passed all the tests with flying colors in
terms of his personality, his presence, his smarts.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I even talked to him in a really smooth.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I talked to him in a small scrum at the
Senior Bowl and he was the same deal right after
a practice, right, And sometimes the guys are a little
bit more don't have their guard up as much right
on the field after a practice because they're not thinking
about all, right, here's.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
What I'm gonna say, I'm gonna meant to compare for that,
you kind of just get them.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And both him and Tyler Schuck for that matter, both
those guys were very put together on the practice field
at the Senior Bowl. We've had two defensive tackles, by
the way golf the board here, which is a significant
for the Giants. Omar Norman Lot from Tennessee. He goes
off the board to the Chiefs, but you put him
next to Chris Jones on that's at and then the
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pick before that the Bears who need some pass rush,
they get Shamar Turner, defensive tackle out of Texas A
and M.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So if you wanted a.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Three technique pass rusher type, and that's what those guys
are really, Darius Alexander is really your last guy left
that I have with a relatively high grade on them.
So if you want to plug her there stole some guys,
but you're you're running low on three techs d that
in mind.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, I think he.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I think he would be the one guy that's left.
And the thing about Alexander, he looks like a really
good player. He was really good at the Senior Bowl.
But he's a five year player. He's almost twenty five
years old, and he didn't have a lot of production
playing in the macket Toledo. So that's something that I
think raises a red flag for some people. But he
was really good against Power five guys at the Senior Bowl.
They couldn't really block him up front, so I think
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you take that into consideration as well. All Right, I
see a couple of calls, So the Giants are now
two picks away. The Eagles are up. Their pick is in,
which means the Giants pick is probably in two. But
the TV continues to be the network is behind where
the picks are. So we'll try to squeeze in a
couple of picks here before a couple of calls, rather
before we get to the pick. Let's go to Peter
down in the Florida Keys. Peter, you're up here on
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the Giants Draft Reaction Show. Presented by Crush Drown in
the Hack and Sack Meritney Health Podcast Studio. Keep getting better,
stop laughing and me Peterson, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Peter? I got it right this time, Peter. What's up?
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Hey? How's it going on?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
We're good?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Hey, you thank you so much for doing this. I
didn't even know you guys are still on. So I
just randomly called the number I memorized, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wow, Oh, we've been on for fifty hours straight.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Actually, well, Paul has in his own head, we've actually slept.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Sorry, did you say you have the number memorized?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Is a regular course not just in.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Your cell phone? Why you just pressed the you just
press it right? Are you actually having to press the
numbers on you?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I memorize it all right?
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah, you're on a road, David.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
You're not on a landline?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
No, no, no dial up? You know I'm using the
modem stuff. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, kids don't know, kids don't know what.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Blow my ears out? All right?
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Here?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
What do you got on the draft? What do you got?
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Two quick things? Who are you guys really hoping for that?
We picked the next couple I have in the in
the two picks. I'm actually looking for Samson or nol
Those are my two hope that we could scoop up
the running back or a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'd be happy with either one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I think Darius Alexander has to be in the conversation
here too. I think Caleb Johnson and camp Scattabow I
think they're both also very very good players. So I
think any of that group i'd be I'd be pretty
happy with Paul.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I feel it's got to be the trenches or power
running back. I cannot take a wide receiver here.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
You like, you like Dylan Sampson running back from Tennessee.
You know there's some There's some tackles out there too.
I mean we were talking before about you know, I
mean Marcus Imbel from purduees out there, Charles Grant is
out there, Dylan Fairchild from he's the other guard from Georgia. Yeah,
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I mean, I think I think if you get a
guard or a tackle here in the third round, I mean,
that could potentially be a guy that could end up
starting for you for the next four or five years.
I think that could be solid too.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
That'd be awesome.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Hey, look.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
About the first round.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, look, I will say this, you know, I appreciate it, Peter,
and thanks a lot for the call. Look, I think
Darius Robinson for me, you know, I have a pure
round two grade. He's the only defensive tackle left with
a pure round two grade, in fact only they have
two other guys with you know, end of round two
grades on them. So that's the guy that to me,
that's sticking at like a sore thumb in terms of
depth at a position of need. For me, I still
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think there's a bunch of wide receivers that are really
good that are on the board, and a bunch of
running backs. So that's where I would lea Paul Darius
Alexander for me at least.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I mean, I don't think there's any doubt, you know,
there's still quality at the positions the giants are thin at.
And I mentioned my guys before, you know, Farmer, I
mentioned Scatterbow, I mentioned Mabell. There are guys who you
can get right now who are going to compete and
push people on your depth chart. And that's the important
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thing because remember, especially now, I mean what we're talking,
we're talking the start of the third round. You need
somebody who's going to push. Okay, it's not just like, oh,
can he make the roster. No, the guy's got to
be able to push. He's got to be able to compete.
If you're taking him at the start of the third round, well,
that's the key.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The Eagles just replaced Chauncey Gardner Johnson with another underside safety. Yeah,
this guy's a missile. He's a lot of fun to watch.
Andrew mccooby. He's just under two hundred pounds. He makes
plays on the ball. He's like shot out of a cannon.
I had a better great on Xavier Wattson than him.
But he is a really really good player and downhill safety. Yeah,
but he he has ball production. Man, that guy makes
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plays on the football.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
That's that. That's not gonna be fun going up against him.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
No, so let me get this trade. The NFL's number
one rank defense last year just added the linebacker to
Campbell and mccooglet mkoogle. So we need some offensive fire
party here. Consider it all what we're just talking about
with Philly, Like we need some we need some offensive.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Talent here, all right, giants are up here, guys, And
again I think mccooby is a good there. The three
highest guys on my board just in terms of ranking
are savonn Ravel. I really like him as a corner,
but he's hurt and the Giants don't even need a corner,
so I'll push him aside right two spots away from him.
And actually I have Jaalin Nolan, Darius Alexander touching their
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players forty one and forty two for me, Noel's at
forty one and Darius Alexander is at forty two, so
I'd be more than happy with you again at one
of those two guys. And again, I just think defensive
tackles more of a need here guy, So I'm gonna
go out on a limit. I'm gonna take a guest and
say it's Darius Alexander.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And that it'd be a really good pick. Again, Farmer
is a little bit of a different style of guy,
but if you want defensive tackle with him, Alexander is
a really good pick too.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Jason Seahorn is going to be announcing to pick for
the Giants today.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I don't know that's sending a message. They've had a
lot of the guys actually at the same position as
the picks.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So I'm not sure if you know they've announced these
guys a long time ago, but now, yeah, they brought
out it looks like service members from each one of
the services out there.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Roger Goodell shaking some hands.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, that was It was pretty cool. The Rams did
their draft picks from the the LA Fire Department.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Where we were, and this is the end of the
second round, since the Giants did the first pick and
round three, that's probably why they're doing this.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, so you have all the services here.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I wanted to see what the Space Force uniform look
like because usually they do bring out someone from the
Space Force now, because they are one of the services.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I think that might have been the uniform at the end.
I couldn't tell. They didn't give me a good watch shot.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
By the way, did you like that story about the
Giants two first round picks who wear different face paintings
to mimic Star Wars characters, Yes, so interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Abdul quarter with the Darth Vader on the EyeBlack because
I guess he spent a lot of time in one
of those hyper barrack chambers heading into that Bowl game
against Notre Dame, where he you know had the shoulder injury,
you know, and obviously Darth Vader gainst submerged, and Dad
he does in the back to tank to heal with
all the burns and all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
And then so was he watching all the movies while
he was in them?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And maybe he could have been I don't know if
a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I think he felt like Darth Vader in the hyper
Battle Chamber probably, and and and then apparently Jackson Dart
has the one streak of EyeBlack because.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
The Annan Skywalker star.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So I guess we need like a big Yoda fan
now or maybe a big obi Wan fan something like that.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Let's just hope the force is strong with both of them.
But I think can we.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And we also hope the force is going to be
strong with the Giants next election.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Like I love it. Okay, that's great that that's there
in their free time there there, you know, I want
to keep it in. But like the last thing that
I want to tell a team and and these fans
like this the minute I get drafted, is like I'm
a treky.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You would rather be a Star Wars fan than a Trekky?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, Okay, but like I like, you know, I mean,
all right, it's it's a little bit out there, but yeah, sure,
I mean I think it works out great. Darth Vader,
you know, the dark side you're on, you're playing, you're
on defense.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Wasn't gonna bring it up, but Paul culture reference that
he could relate to, and I think that's where we go.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Remember John Randall with the Vikings, should wore that blue
a purple deep purple shield inside his shelmet, and he
looked like somebody from Vader's side of the forest Giants.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I am a big chewy fan.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Here we go. Well, you're an offensive. We've had way
to it, he said.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
And that's as far as I'll go with the Star
Wars stove. But I don't think things ended well with
with Anakin, right well, I.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Mean, hey, he became don If there are kids out
there listening that haven't seen the movies, I don't want
to ruin it for him. Soiler from like nineteen eighty
one and the Giants pick is in It is Darius Alexander.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Defensive giant on the spot. Occasionally I get.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
One wow, look at that, Thank goodness, snatched somebody in
the trench that's a nice So let me give you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I'm gonna give you the details here on Darius Alexander. Right,
he's a fat of four wing Indiana. He's gonna turn
twenty five years old in August, just under six to fourth.
The combine he measured into six zho three seven. That's
sixty three and seven eights, three hundred and five pounds
thirty four inch arm shot. Nice, and that's at the
combine where they were measuring all the arms shorts, so
he was probably closer to thirty four and a half.
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He had seven and a half sacks for Toledo last year,
five and a half the year before, twenty two career sacks.
He was again in school, he played for five years,
had a six year that was a red shirt year
back in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
That's why he's a little bit of an older prospect.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Jump thirty one inches, broad jump over nine foot, so
pretty good athletic testing numbers as well.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Just a bit of an older prospect, but he is.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Your long, athletic, knifing upfield type of pass rusher that
I think will fit very nicely next to Dexter Lawrence Throw,
Chauncey Golston, into that mix there as well as a
potential pass rushing three technique with Abdul Carter. Let me
tell you this, Giants defensive line is young with promise,
and they're impressive.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
You don't watch on We're looking at a possibility now.
If you were to put Alexander the three technique spot
next to Dexter, you could have Golston playing the edge
as the hold the edge and setting the edge against
the run as a defensive end. You don't even have
to move Golston. You could play him next to Alexander
on the outside edge.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I mean, but then you got to take Burns, Thibodeau
or well Abdul Carter off the field again.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But if it gives you, it gives you some options, Yes,
it does, especially if it's going to be against the run,
because we know that Abdul Carter at the beginning is
going to be more of a pass rusher than he
will be on obvious run stopping doubts. I think this
is this is this is a real healthy pick. Alexander
has a lot of, as you said, athletic tools in
his toolbox. He's got a lot of moves and a
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lot of tricks up his sleeve. He can do a
lot of things to escape and to shed guys, and
next to Dexter, that's gonna be a real headache for people.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And again I watched them with the Senior Bowl close up,
and he just has the body of a defensive lineman
that looks like is going to be successful in the
league for a long time.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Sean, let me ask.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
That there were some people that said that he kind
of he had some flashes of Leonard Williams, who the Giants.
I don't think he's jet trade, but in terms of
Leonard Williams was a long armed guy, and like that
was one of the biggest things him coming out of us.
See all of his highlights. He was just ragged on.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But it was like watching the Three Stooges, I think.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
When Curly would hold him back there. But as soon
as you mentioned long arms, like that's one of the
things as an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I was gonna ask you that question.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
You would literally you watched me like, dude, this guy's
got go go gadget arms, Like JPP was one of
those guys where it was like you can't like you
just felt like you were waving your hands in the air.
You know, trying to block him. So if you get
a guy with long arms that uses his hands really well,
it's really tough. I mean, it makes life really challenging
as an offensive line when trying to get to that guy.
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So you know, it's interesting because they're they're talking about
him he's a penetrator. So you get a guy with
long arms like that, that's that's the penetrator. You know
that that's tough like that, that's that's something that's disrupting
things in the a gap knifing through. And to couple
that with Dexter Lawrence. Look, this defense, it's obvious that
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the Giants came out of this past season and said, look,
we've got to get more physical upfront. We've got to
get faster and get more explosive Abduel Carter and now
with Darius Alexander, I think they accomplished that. You know,
I think when you look at the fact that he
went to Toledo, like you said, so maybe he's a
little bit raw, He's still got some things he's got
to learn. I think dra Patterson has got to be
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so happy right now. He's grinning ear to ear Sewan
Dre Patterson I've known him back when I was in Cleveland.
He has coached some of the best defensive linemen who
have ever played in his game. And what is Jade
is phenomenal at teaching these guys how to get better
with their hands, the techniques, add some moves to their
to their passwords, repertoire. He's he's a heck of a coach.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I'm sorry for jumping on you. But the one thing
that and he's told this me that Andre Patterson values
is length. He likes are long. He talked about that
with Dexter Lawrence. I was talking to the other day
Roy Robertson Harris, the other defensive tackle they bought, and
he's got thirty five inch arms. He was excited about
him as a player. So you know, he's a guy
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that I think can can play really well.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
One of the things I noticed about Brian Burns the
first time I saw him to super long arms. Yep,
Like he can standing straight up.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
All right. So I'm gonna this was my summary on
Darisa that I was there, and then we're gonna bring
him Bob Papa here. This is These are my notes
strong long athletic defensive tackle for from a small school
that flashed dominos on tape but lacked dominant production. Rod
Pass Rush relying mostly on length, strength of athleticism with
potential to grow despite being an older prospect. Very strong
run defender uses length well to get off of blocks.
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Got it, That's what I saw from watching.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I like your opening line, strong long found to get
the friction on. I think there's a song.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
What is that from?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I'm not gonna sing you guys.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I just try to get you into trouble. I think
I either stay where you.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Were going with that jo wound to get the friction on.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, that stop, please?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think it's the who wants to talk about the
Giant's picking round number three?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Bob? How you doing, buddy kind.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
I'm surprised Sean didn't have thrown a random like nineteen
ninety eight movie reference.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Oh you missed that? Actually we already did.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Yeah, wait, we did the eastbound of Down thing. Smoke's
not a fan. Paul's never heard of it.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Oh, unless it's unless it's Godfather Won Paul hasn't.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Heard of it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, Paul did take a Star Wars reference, so he
it wasn't move from the seventies, just the rog one, Bob.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
All Right, Darius Alexander right, defensive tackle John I heard
all the things that you said. I talked to a
bunch of people independently that were down at the senior ball.
They were really intrigued. Obviously he didn't come from a
major program, but I think, you know, you just keep
adding depths on that defensive front, right, I mean you
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got Nacho, You've got Roy Robertson Harris. I mean, you're
you're adding all these pieces. You bring some youth into it, because,
let's face it, some of the guys that they've brought
in the last couple of years, I don't know if
they've distinguished themselves.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So I like it.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
I really thought the Giants might go running back here
because of the some of the players that were on
the board.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
And you know, I really still feel like they got
to upgrade the running back room. I'm sure they can
get one in the fourth round because Gray has been
unimpressive to this point. But uh yeah, I mean I
like to pick. I like the fact that clearly he
must have been the best player on their board because
it's not an area in which you would be drafting
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from a need standpoint. Still no old Lineman Shan, which
is kind of interesting. But yeah, I think they're trying
to hold true to their board at this point.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, and look, I mean there's there were definitely a
couple of tackles that I'm sure that they were kind
of looking at. But you know, again, like you said,
they're going based on the grade, and you know what,
maybe they had a late third round. I mean, it's
one thing to have a third round pick on a guy.
This was the first pick of the third round. So
like essentially it's if you had a second round grade
on a guy, that's what you're going to.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Tell you ideally want to pick a second round grade with.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Like, if you have a third round grade on somebody,
you want to take him in late in the third round.
Now you feel like, oh, you're getting somebody that you
know with better value or even in the fourth you know,
top of the fourth.
Speaker 8 (35:29):
Yeah, well, I was thinking of the Wellington Marras story
that we told last night. I mean, you know, lands
zer Line from NFL dot Com and numerous others have
a second round round grade on this guy. So you know,
they might have been debating over people in the third round,
and you know, someone might have stood in front of
the electronic board and said, well, wait a second, we
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got a second round grade on this guy, so they
took him again. I don't have a problem drafting when
you have a position of strength. If he's the best
player on your board, you know, it's meritocracy. Let the
best man win. And if you were drafted a couple
of years ago at that same position and you haven't
done much, well guess why you're going to get your
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butt kicked by somebody new coming in. It's better than
you or earn your keep.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah, and Bob, you know what, Like you mentioned he's
coming in and you said, you know, get some fresh legs,
get some young talent. Look, we also the Giants brought
in Jeremiah Ledbetter Detackle from Jacksonville. You mentioned Roy Robertson Harris,
but they also Chauncey Golston. I don't think we talked
about him as well. So this D line room like
they're gonna have to add some chairs to that D
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live stacked. It's I mean, that thing is loaded. We
might we might be running a five three defense.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Needed to be.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
It needed to be, You're right, Paul, because last year
they couldn't stop the run to save their lives, and
they couldn't stop the run in twenty twenty three to
save their lives. You know, we remember the you know,
the hiring of Bowen and and Dave was saying, you know,
he's good against the run. Well, they weren't good against
the run last year, so that's right, you told bodies
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at it. I kind of almost look at Goldston as
like a three four pass rushing end more than that
ru run stuffer. But they got a lot of bodies
in here. Competition is good. It's a meritocracy. At the
end of the day. You're not tied into a ton
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of money to anybody. So except bri ian'm the best
man win. And you know, maybe the other thing is
get to the end of camp, or you get somewhere
in camp and suddenly you spend one of these guys
off in a trade, not a lot of the guys
they drafted.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I think it's important to remember that. Just yesterday when
we talked to Joe Shane, he spoke of how important
it was for him to hold on to pick number
sixty five when he made the trade to go up
into the first round to get Jackson Dart. He said
the sixty five was incredibly important to him. He wasn't
moving that pick. He moved in ninety nine instead in
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that deal probably cost him that third rounder next year.
But in his mind, he must have believed that he
was going to get a bona fide, serious, serious player
in this slot. So I feel very good about his
intent and what it is that he probably put into
making the selection.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Well, he was probably also thinking that some of these quarterbacks,
you know, Jalen Milroe still hasn't been drafted, while everybody's
on Shador watch, which you know, the NFL has now
spoken all thirty two teams have spoken twice, and you
know it's not you know, people are like, just think
about the Giants fans that were calling in the BBK
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and on my podcast and on my serious x Cmer
NFL radio show that we're talking about tanking for Shador
and the Giants might have blown it by winning an
extra game and now they can't get Shador. Well in
the third we're in the third round right now, he
hasn't been taken. So the NFL scouts, GMS personnel people
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and NFL coaching staffs that have gotten their eyes on
them few them as a backup with maybe the potential
to be a part time starter. Nobody's used him as
a first run starting quarterback in the NFL, right, and
the league has spoken here's where we are. So I think,
you know, when you take a look at all this
and Paul, you know you talked about not wanting to
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surrender that first pick of the third round. You know,
guys get pushed down the board when quarterbacks go. Then
teams have some people off their board that others don't.
So Joe Shane didn't want to give up this pick
because it's basically a second round pick. You're getting a
player with a second round grade when you have the
first pick of the third round.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Sure, Bob, good stuff, my friend. Any party words before
we say goodbye?
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Yeah? I mean, I think if you're a Giants, you
have to be really impressed and you have to be
very happy by what the team has done thus far.
Hopefully they add some on line, Hopefully they had a
running back in here somewhere along the way. But you know,
I think the Giants, this is a feeling amongst Giants
fans of immense optimism right now, not that they're going
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to necessarily knock the Eagles off and win the division
or whatever, but that the Giants are going to be relevant,
and they're going to be competitive, and we're going to
get to December based on what they've done defensively and
the other moves that they've made, and we're going to
get to December and the Giants are going to be
in the conversation with well, if we win this one
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and that one and this happens, we got a chance
to get a wildcard spot. I think that's all fans
want to see at this point in time. Yeah, we
wont super Bowls and championships, but after what people have
been through, just stay relevant, just just be in the mix.
And if it doesn't go then you know, all right,
we'd hear the little touch up we need moving forward.
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But you know, you know, I think fans have been,
you know, gotten tired of being eliminated by Halloween or Thanksgiving,
and I think there's a real energy with the Giant
fan base right now.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Thank you, Bob Papa, Bob Papa, Voice of the Giants,
appreciate Hopeully.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
We'll see up here soon, Bob. Enjoy the rest of.
Speaker 8 (41:18):
Your You'll see me on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I can't wait to see it. Bob.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
All right, but there's Bob Papa, the Voice of the Giants,
joining us right here on the Giants Draff Reaction Show,
brought to you by Christron Sean Harrah has to part
here Darius Alexander is waiting for him. You could talk
about how he can use his long arms to keep
you off of his h offie.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
All right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, his office so long you might be able to
reach through the zoom, so that'll be pretty impressive. I
he can do that, all right. I'm gonna slide over
here a fall so we can get little Is that right?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Pierson? Can I slide over the camera?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
We have a comment from Dan Salomon who said, Joe
shanees presser, Oh what has he got? He says that
Alexander is a three technique that we know did a
lot of work on him. They felt they needed to
add some youth to the offen line. Had a really
good week with him at the Senior Bowl. You know
that you were there. He can develop with the depth
they have on the roster quote high ceiling unquote wow
for Alexander.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, that's what I said too, And I'm gonna I'm
gonna read Dame Brugler's description and then James and Georgia.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I know you've been holding a long time. We will
get to you in just a second.
Speaker 7 (42:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
This was Dame Brugler's summary and the Beast on Darius Alexander,
which I had not read until now, and it sounds
a lot like mine, to be honest with you. Overall,
Alexander is in yet the full sum of his parts,
but his blend of power, length, and athletic body control
give him the makings of a three down scheme versatile
NFL starter. He projects best in an attacking role, where
he'd be able to maximize his disruptive straits. His peak
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plays are reminiscent of Leonard Williams traits.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Has a lot of really good ones hip.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Absolutely all right, two one nine, three, nine, four five
one three, guys, we're gonna go for about a lot
on the twenty more minutes here, and we'll take your
calls reacting to the giants Bak. If you want to
talk to us about Abdul Carter and Jackson Dart, we
can of course do that as well. Let's go to
James and Georgia. He's been hanging out with us the longest. James,
what's going on?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
How?
Speaker 9 (43:04):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (43:06):
I'm taking my phone call again today. Yes, sir, I
know Jenn was talking earlier about I asked you about
prospects and you ran off a list. So I'm pretty
sure you probably named Alexander.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I definitely did. Yeah, he was in there.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
Okay, I don't think he'd make it.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
To be honest with you, what happened. I didn't think
Alexander would last that long?
Speaker 7 (43:29):
Okay, Okay, A good player.
Speaker 9 (43:32):
Yeah, I like to pick, love the pick that. I
think they're doing a great job in the draft so far.
I was just gonna have a couple of questions, like
how is his is his run stopping like good? For
the conference he played in? Is a decent run stopper?
You know that he fit what we need on this team.
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And then I just got two more after that.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
He sheds very well. That's what we were talking about before,
about trades and tools because of his length. Yes, yes,
so so we can counter. He can use moves to
beat guys right off the snap. Yes, absolutely. Now he's
more than three technique. He's he's a penetrator. All right,
he's going to come off the ball and he's not
going to anchor and just plug a gap.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
That's not what he does. He attacks.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
He's a downhill guy.
Speaker 9 (44:21):
He's not like a snacks run stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
No no no no no no no no no no
no no.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
No no no think think more. Leonard Williams.
Speaker 9 (44:27):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So this is the second year our
coaches coached in the All Star Games.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
And I'm not.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
Sure if one of our coaches, because I know we
will send some a lot of offensive guys actually got
hands on with Alexander.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And Andre Patterson was not down there, so we did
not have anyone down there with him.
Speaker 8 (44:51):
I don't know, Okay, but that's that's so.
Speaker 9 (44:54):
That's been you know, all the guys that we've been drafting,
like I said, especially the last two years, that we've
got a lot of exposure to, they've been working out
so far.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's the idea. The league does that on purpose, right,
They go to the teams that had a difficult season,
and they say, okay, let's get some of these guys
on the stabs of these All Star Games. They want
to try to give them at least some flavor and
taste of those prospects so they can have a better
chance of trying to get better players, to improve the
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parody and the balance of the.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
League media and the mediocrity.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well, that you, James, I'm gonna let you say that tonight.
I'm trying to be nice, Okay, So I've got.
Speaker 9 (45:36):
Too Because Sean was just talking about like the front
they would we would start to run or we could
run with packages. I'm gonna ask both of mine and
then get off, uh.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Five two four?
Speaker 8 (45:52):
What would that look like?
Speaker 9 (45:53):
Who would you put in there? And would it actually
I know it will probably work, but you know, how
would you make it work? And at this point, going
back to Bob's point, and I know a lot of
us have called in the past before, and we were
on board with taking two shots at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
This was before we.
Speaker 9 (46:17):
Find two in the off season, a lot of people
will calling about and I was the one who would
take two swings at quarterback in this draft, and is
I would take a swing at a chador on the
four because you're not losing anything at that point if
he follows that four fall that far.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
And James, there there is any room from the roster.
Speaker 9 (46:41):
Well, I mean you'd have to cut, You'd have to
cut Tommy, You'd have to let Tommy de Beato go.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Well, not just Tommy, you had to let James Winston go, uh.
Speaker 9 (46:50):
For for a for for to bring in a foot well, because.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, you can't have four to the door on the.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
What's it called the practice?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
So yeah, I'm not I James appreciate the call. Yeah
I don't. I don't think that's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
So I looked it up. By the way, so.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Joel Thomas, who was the Giants running back coach, was
now he went back to the Saints. Since then, he
was the offensive coordinator for Jackson Dart at the Senior Bowl.
So I do wonder if the Giants, you know, if
he still talk to the Giants about that, and whether
or not he got some good feedback to them on
Dart in terms of what he did at the Senior Bowl.
Shane Bowen coached the national team. I'm gonna check which
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team Darius Alexander was on.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
The only thing I was going to say about, Yes
Dart is with all of the multiple connections the Giants had,
I don't know how much more information they needed about him,
But I think it's still a good point.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So Alexander was on Bowen's team at the senior point.
He was so Bowen was he was the head coach,
not the defensive coordinator obviously, but that's someone you can
keep your eye on there as someone that he was
exposed to while he was down there.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
So if you're at practice, you could still see practice habits.
So even if it's not necessarily a position coach. Oh, absolutely,
you still know what's going on. And I'm sure he
got reports from the guys working on him.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
So good point that you brought up. Yeah, very good point. James,
appreciate the call. Two on one nine three, nine four
five one for YouTube question if you guys, oh yeah,
what do you got? Here's please asking what this means
for Chapman. If this moves him down the depth chart,
if he's a rotational guy.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I think he's got to fight for a job. It's competition,
that's what it.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Is for I'm sorry, Paul, I'm I'm an idiot. Chaane
Bowen was one of the head coaches at Shrine this year. Okay,
I forget was the head coach at Senior Bowl. I
had those two first yeah, Senior Bowls, and national team
head coach was Mike Kafka. So again not on the
defensive side, but he was there on the same roster.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Somebody who was present. Yes, that's that's the best way
to go about it. I forgot. I'm so fried right now. No,
last three months that we've done well, I remember who
was there. I just didn't remember who was on what
team notes in front of me. As far as Chapman,
it's no, it's competition. It's just that simple. It's competition
whoever was on this roster, especially if you were not
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a starter. Okay, especially those guys. You've got to fight now.
You've got to really fight for your job come August.
And there's nothing wrong with that because maybe the best
win win. That's how you get better. You have multiple
competitions at multiple positions, and every guy who wins is
supposed to make that position better. Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
John, all right, So we have Kyle Williams. By the way,
I should update since the Giants bake Dawoys. Yes, Ashton
Julot went to the Chiefs. Very good edge player. They're
really strengthening their trenches. There they picked an offensive lineman,
a defensive tackle, and an edge player.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Good players too.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Browns took tight and Harrold Fannon Jr. Not sure how
that works with Ndjoku.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
But maybe they're gonna go to a lot of twelve personnel.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I guess they could do that, Darien porter Al Davis
selecting guys with great testing, very raiders type of there.
Then you had Kyle Williams go to the New England Patriots.
They finally select the wide receiver, and a pretty good
one as well, though going ahead of Jalen Nole was surprising.
I don't know why he's dropping so much. Man, Maybe
you know I was. I've been wrong on receivers before.
(50:14):
Vernon Brown to the New Orleans Saints. The Texas He's
a run stuffing defensive tackle type. Bill's at seventy two
selected Landon Jackson. He's a good, powerful edge run stuffer type.
So I think that's a nice pick for them. And
then the Jets just picked Florida State cornerback Azare Thomas,
so he'll be a good bump and run player for them.
(50:34):
Remember that's the scheme that Aaron Glenn wants to run.
He wants to be up in your face, bump and
run type of defensive coordinator. That's what Azaree Thomas does
as a big, powerful, rangey type of cornerback. So I
think good pick there. All right, let's get back to
the phones. Marcus and Rochester is up next. Marcus, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Man?
Speaker 7 (50:51):
Hey? What's up?
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Man? Hi?
Speaker 6 (50:54):
Yeah? I wanted to say, man to the like the
Giants fans. I think we're doing a great job what
we're doing right now. We pick in need and value
and it's matching both in areas we need and definitely
with the Jackson Dark I like that pick. I like
(51:17):
all the picks we make in and I'm going to
be a head coach in college down in North Carolina.
So I just got this one thing to say to
Joe Shane. When you start listening to the fans, you're
gonna start sitting with the fans. So you know, just
(51:39):
keep doing what you're doing, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Not appreciate the call, Marcus, And look, Joe Shane's not
No NFL team is gonna operate that way, right, So
I think you're absolutely right. Follow your process, trust the
way you do things. Pick the guys that you think
are the best, and that's it. That's how you that's
how you need to operate if you want to be
a successful franchise.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
There's a lot of outside noise in New York. It
gets really loud, but Joe Shane is good at blocking
it out.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, so far that that's for sure. As the Giants
have picked some pretty good value guys here in this drafting,
including trading up to get a quarterback that they help
can develop into a franchise. Guy Dean is in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
He's up next. Hi Dean?
Speaker 10 (52:19):
Yeah, Hi, how are you doing?
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
We're great? What do you got?
Speaker 10 (52:23):
I have my thought about shadow standards why he hasn't
been drafted drafted then. I don't know if you guys
agree with me or not, but I feel like coaches
of all these teams are might be worried about their
job security by if they draft Standards because dancers are
(52:44):
his dad might over might become the team coach the
following year if I may.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
And I'm going to be very nice and polite about this.
What everybody reads in the media, whether it's in the papers,
whether it's on radio, or whether it's on television, is media.
It's not the real scouting reports. There are times, and
I know some some people find this very hard to believe,
(53:12):
but the teams who spend millions of dollars to have
dozens of scouts who scour these games around the country, bleed, sweat, tears,
all kinds of work that they put in for expensive,
expensive pieces of research, they know what they're doing a
(53:35):
heck of a lot better than the folks who are
draft gurus. Not that I don't I don't want to
disrespect those guys, but they're not spending millions of dollars
sending people across the country every day, leaving their families
for weeks and months at a time. Okay, sometimes the
hype that you read in the media gives you a
(53:57):
very false sense of the value of a player, and
maybe that's exactly what's just happened here.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Well, and look, and even if you talk all the
guys I had leaning up to the draft, not one
person I had on the Giants Otle podcast told me
he was a top fifteen player, top ten player. You're right,
they didn't. They had him as like a second round
type of quarterback. And based on what people were here,
and going into this about half the league had Sanders
ahead of Dart and vice versa. Right, it was kind
of a coin flipus to which one would go first.
(54:25):
It turned out Dart one first, and then Tyler Shuk.
We've talked about him. His tape was probably just this
year better than any other quarterbacks tape it was, except
for cam Ward Like that's how good he looked at
Louisville this year. Now you have the agent, injuries and
all that stuff, and then look there's stuff that goes
along with Chador Sanders. It just is I mean, look
at all the attention he's getting for not being drafted.
(54:46):
What happens if you know he's not a guy that
was gonna go in there and start right away, much
like Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
He was gonna need some seasoning. The minute he goes
on your team, on your bench, the pressure's just gonna
build to play him if things don't go well, without
a doubt. So all those things going to the equation.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Obviously, I'm not going to comment on the reports of
the meetings and how those win at the combine and
all that stuff that's out there. You've heard it. I
don't know if they're right or wrong, but they're out there,
and look, do you don't have that many teams that
had picks that were in dire need of a quarterback.
The Steelers passed on him, the Browns have now passed
on him multiple times. Clearly that's not a guy they
(55:21):
wanted in Cleveland, otherwise they would have picked him by now.
The Steelers are coming up here in about ten selections.
I think if he's still there, I think the Steelers
would probably pick him in that spot. All the reports
were that they were really in consideration with him in
the first round, So if he's still there, would imagine
he would get picked at that selection. If he's still
on the board, so wolf to wait and see when
(55:43):
he gets picked. In appreciate the call, but look, Dame
Brugler had him and I think in the thirties on
his big board. But look, quarterback is a very specific
position to scout. You're either gonna want the guy to
be the leader team or you're not based a lot
on his personality. And look, that's just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Some of the NFL people that we did talk to
at the combine, and we're talking about not media people,
but NFL people flat out said he's gonna have to
go to a place that's going to be conducive to
all the things that he does do and covers up
the stuff that he doesn't do well. He was gonna
need to go to a place where a really good
offensive line. John, we heard that. We heard that they
(56:20):
were going to have to have a good run game
as well. We heard that. We also heard that his
receivers were gonna have to be really special receivers who
are going to be able to attack the ball and
get open. We heard that too. Well, you're now asking
about three pretty big boxes that have to be checked simultaneously.
You know not every team in the league can do that,
(56:42):
right now.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Don't disagree?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Two one nine three nine four five one three two
A one nine three nine four five one three. Let's
wrap things up our final call the show. It's lenning Columbia, Maryland.
Speaker 7 (56:53):
Len.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
What's going on? Pal?
Speaker 7 (56:54):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (56:54):
How you doing? Guy?
Speaker 3 (56:55):
You must have been happy with mister Alexander Len.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
How about that? You know? John? Once Williams went at
the end of the first round, I thought to myself, well,
we just just pick Alexander at thirty four, and then,
of course we made a trade, but yeah, I really
wanted the guy.
Speaker 7 (57:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
You you said something the other day that was kind
of interesting, Sean. You said you thought we might play
a more traditional three to four at least on first
and second down. And boy, Alexander's perfect for that six'
four three or, five perfect height and. Weight, great great.
(57:35):
Pick and of course we all know we he was
just going to pick a defensive tackle. THERE i, mean
we had to take. One we're all tired of seeing
us get gashed and complaining about it for the last
ten games of the. Season and this is this is
going to make a big. Difference it's going to make
a big. Difference and the first two, PICKS i, mean you,
know what can you? Say these are from as far
(57:57):
back As, january it seemed like the plan was bridge
quarterback and ringing a young quarterback in the. Draft and you,
know they. Did they did just what they said they
were going to, do and you, know hopefully it works
out With Dark but, hey you, KNOW i think there
(58:17):
was a. MANDATE i can't prove, this, obviously BUT i
think there was a. Mandate they had to get a.
Quarterback they had to pick a. QUARTERBACK i really believe.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
THAT i think they wanted to pick a. Quarterback, LEN
i don't think it was a.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Mandate if anything goes a mandate From Joe, shane WHERE
i think they wanted a young quarterback on the roster.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
Thing in case you want to get another.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Quart Lenn just the other, Day Joe shane said to
Us le Lenn Hold on just the other, Day Joe shane,
said because of the two veteran quarterbacks he, signed it
was not mandatory to draft a. Quarterback he flat out told,
you right to your.
Speaker 4 (58:52):
Face, yeah, Okay, paul he.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
DID i got the, Sense, paul they wanted to pick
a QUARTER i think they wanted.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
To but when he says it wasn't, mandatory there's a
difference between one two and.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Mandatory although they weren't going to pick a, quarterback they
didn't like just trying to take a.
Speaker 4 (59:06):
PICK i just think as far back As, january the plan,
was you got to take a, quarterback you got to
pick a.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Qrd WHAT i got? One so who cares what the
plan was In?
Speaker 3 (59:17):
January we got?
Speaker 4 (59:19):
Three according to WHAT i thought the plan. Was i'm
with that one last thing from as far back As,
JANUARY i don't, know maybe this is, obvious but as
far back As, JANUARY i felt like there was a
sense of urgency for the first, time all the way
back to the first draft they handled in twenty, TWO
(59:41):
i just felt this. Year, again this may be, obvious
BUT i just felt there was an urgency there from
the guys they were picking up during the. SEASON i,
mean it's been a great off, season terrific off season
right up to this, draft doing exactly what they said
they were going to, do and there was an urgency
there to get it. DONE i like. That Go, giants
(01:00:04):
thanks for taking my.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Call, guys thanks, allan thank you appreciate the.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Call And i'm sure you guys were watching you saw
my little pen flip.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
There let him, Know, john Because Jerry jones is doing
a dance on THE, tv just.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Say well he should, BE i, know and when when
well and just to just, FOLKS i said. It when
The giants got to Pick, paul who DID i, say
is my highest graded player left on my?
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Board when The giants came to.
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Pick, revel The South Carolina East Carols carolina cornerback well.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Guests to The, cowboys just took a pick number seventy.
Six speak of The.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Devil come, on oh, man, geez all, right that is
very good value for them right.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
There which is which?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
IS i think The eagles and The commanders and The
cowboys have all done very well in this, draft and
that does not make me.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Happy, well the whole division, IS i, think and.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
The GIANTS i Think i've done really well, too by the,
Way but just you, Know i'd rather have them do
poorly and The giants. Will but it is what it,
is all, right, folks we'll be back with you. TOMORROW
i think the plan is eleven thirty. Percent we're gonna come.
On we'll take some calls before the. Pick we'll get
your reaction to what's happened so. Far come in join.
Us it'll be. Fun don't worry about the one call
a week where we can come in. Call we could
have longer. Conversations we're gonna make it attempt to stay
(01:01:12):
onto the fifth round. PICK i don't know if we're
gonna make, it, guys but we will. Try but we'll
at least stay on for an, hour at the very
least until one. O'clock so we're gonna go at least
until one as long as we keep getting your. Calls
we're gonna need them in order uh to do the,
show so we would appreciate it if you join us
For Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Datino I'm John.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Schmelk that's Your Giants Draft reaction show presented By Chris
john from The hackensack And Meridian health podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Studio keep getting better For.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Paulatino great job By piercing keeping us on the air
the last couple of, days and we'll be back again
tomorrow again at eleven thirty On saturday with more on
The giants and THE Nfl. Draft we'll see you then
enjoy the rest of Your friday and the rest of
the third round
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