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I'm hearing things are gonna be all right inside the weather.

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But you got Deuce, you got Tomorrow, you got Paul
Perillo here I We'll be with you guys for the
next two hours leading up to game time seven pm
kickoff here in Foxborough for the Patriots against the Eagles,
and plenty to talk about. We're gonna welcome Dave Spadaro
from Eagles dot com, Join us, tell us a little
bit about the Eagles, some overrunders course, and our Keys
to the game coming up shortly so. But let's start off,

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guys with the obvious thing, which is, of course news
confirmed this morning, Patriots traded Matthew Judon for a third
round pick to the Atlanta Falcons. Probably not a huge surprise.
Paul felt like the writing was a little bit on
the wall, but it still was a little jarring just
to finally see it happen at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you were watching training
camp and following the day to day, you probably weren't
overly surprised. I mean, I think it was probably inevitable
that it was going to come to either the Patriots
were gonna cave and give him the money he was
looking for, or a deal was gonna come. I think
most people felt a deal would eventually come. Here we are.
I think a third round pick is certainly a suitable

(01:54):
I think a suitable amount of compensation for him. I
know some people were disappointed because they felt like Judon
would be part of a brandan ayuk package, you know,
as recently as a week ago but I think the
third round pick at this stage, you know, if there's
a second guess, I would say maybe the timing, if
you had done this maybe around the draft could have
gotten more. But you know, I wish jude On well.

(02:17):
I thought he played well here for you know, for
two years. Obviously didn't do much last year with the injury.
I wish him well, yeah tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
What did you see though, just I mean Judon? It
was kind of tumultuous camp. I mean he was, you know,
coming out and then we had a little bit of
a blow up. What was that? What was that like?
From your eyes?

Speaker 7 (02:31):
It was definitely hard to read because you saw someone
who would be at the podium saying this is where
he wants to be, he wants to retire here, you know,
saying all the right things, but body language and action
on the field said otherwise. Obviously he showed up for
some paddit practices. He did practice fully in the joint
practice versus the Eagles, but overall it was kind of
hot and cold, and you really didn't know how much

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longer this was going to last.

Speaker 8 (02:54):
So I agree with the trade.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
It's going to be sad to miss his energy and
what he brought to the locker room and on the
But I agree with the decision you have to start
stacking stuff for twenty twenty five and got a great
asset for it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, I mean, is it too much to say I
don't think it is to say that he was kind
of the face of the Patriots post Brady. I mean,
I know he wasn't here in twenty twenty, but twenty
twenty one, I mean he he was kind of the star.
Used to come out of camp throwing footballs with fans.
He did it pregame as well. You know, he was
a great ambassador for the team, I would say, and
he was also really enjoyable to listen to. And I'm
gonna miss that part of it. Certainly guys have to

(03:27):
have to start to step up. But you know, I
just I guess what's been surprising to me just over
the last day is is it's it's still jarring, and
it's I think the defense. When you combine this with
Christian Barmore and Jude On, for me, it's just really
flipped things on its head a little bit. I think
coming into this season, you thought, geez, they resigned Christian Barmore.
He's gonna hopefully have a you know, build on last year,

(03:48):
be a breakout pass rusher. Judon comes back, Hopefully we
can figure it out with him, just to keep him
in and around those two guys, I felt like you
had a lot of pieces, and to me, it feels
like the defense is significantly without those two guys in
the mix.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
Absolutely, and actually thinking of june On and it kind
of reminded me of High Tower in the sense that
like Judom was a great leader, even when he got hurt,
he was still on the sideline, still around the guys,
coaching the guys up. And even in the last preseason game,
people were talking about how judahm was on the sidelines,
coaching people up, talking to guys. His leadership abilities I
think are going to be missed a lot, and obviously,

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you know, we would wish he could be out there,
especially when Barmore's already out. But now, honestly, do is
it keeps reminding me of what you said all off
season long. They should draft an edge rusher, they should
draft someone we don't have death there, and now.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, yeah, let's talk about that, because I mean, look,
I got to be honest and I said it on
the We did a live show on Tuesday during joint practices,
and I came out and just said, look, I know
a lot of people have said that they're really impressed
with Keon White, and I just I haven't been yet.
I haven't really seen him as a one on one winner,
and I think that's what it really comes down to,
to play great defense in the front. And that's what
Barmore and Judong were. We're two guys who can win

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one on one matchups who were going to draw a
ten who an offensive line has to look at them
and say, geez, our guard might need help here with
against Christian Barber or our tackle. He's not the you know,
the strongest guy. He's going to need help. I just wonder, Paul,
if there's anybody really left on this defense that has
that ability.

Speaker 9 (05:14):
I know that they can scheme pressure up.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
We saw it a few years ago in twenty twenty
when they had kind of similar personnel. But it's just
it's it's going to take a lot of work from
the coaching staff to provide the amount of pressure they're
gonna need.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, it's probably gonna be by committee, but I agree
with you, like I think Keyon White has flashed at
times during camp. I think that maybe you and I
are not as high on what's happened so far as
some of our other colleagues have been. But here's my
thing with with White specifically is I look at him

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as more of maybe a guy who can fill in
like the bar More rule. Like I think of him
as dietrich Wise. Really, I think that's the comp I
think he's sort of like a good solid player. I
think when you talk about, you know, a guy who
can win one on one, I look at him as
a power guy. He can push his guy back into
the backfield and be disruptive that way. I think key

(06:07):
On White has some ability, but he's not the kind
of guy I don't think that's going to be like
Judon and you know, stress the edge and get you know,
run around tackles and and you know, be a fifteen
to twenty sack guy the way that Matthew Judon was.
But I do think that he can be, you know,
a stout physical force maybe with his hand down in
the defensive line like a dietrich Twise. I think of

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him more as maybe being a potential fit to help
replace Barmore. Now again, Barmore and Judon are really really
good players. So you're not going to just say, well,
well just plug and play and Daniel l'qually and you know,
Keon White are going to be Barmore and you know
Anthony Jennings is going to be that He's not. He's

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not going to be That's not going to be Matthew Judon.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
I've got my eyes on Ocean Him Andez tonight just
as a potential guy to fill Judon's void. I don't
think he's going to be Judon out there immediately, but
I feel like they signed him with the idea like, Okay,
we see some potential there. He's had a decent summer
in preseason, so tonight I'm gonna be looking at him
to see how he continues to build on that.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, my biggest question is just is it going to
be very specialized in that? All Right, early downs, we're
going to have Keon White, Anferny Jennings, big stout dudes
off the edges. And when we get to third down,
all right, now we get Josh Uche or Zimmonez in
here to you know, play with and you know, get
creative Dietrich Whi's Paul mentioned also, you know, pretty good
pass rusher as well. So I mean they do have
some guys. I mean Daniel Kualay, who I just think

(07:32):
is under the radar right now. To me, he looks
like the guy next to Devon Godshaw. That's you know,
gon gonna step up. But no question, it's a big
blow to the team, the defense, Matthew Jude on everything
that he meant to the team on the field, off
the field. And you know, we'd love to hear from
you guys to shoot us an email to.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Give it out there. You had mentioned the weather a
little bit. Looks like they we could be expecting some
bad weather coming in. Nothing that's expected to affect the
kickoff as of right now, but I think a significant
store is expected over the next hour or so with
some lightning, so there may be some sort of delays
in the warm up period and whatnot. And you know,

(08:08):
pretty soon we'll be getting some pitchers and we'll see
what's going on. You know, out inside the bowl.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
We're in the bowels, so that's right, Hey, don't worry
about us, not the bowl itself. We're nice and safe
and cozy here inside of our wonderful so new studio.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
You know, in case, you know, you start to hear
about well, you know, there's a lot of lightning and
what not going on in Foxborough. There is a storm expected,
but as of now, it's not expected to affect the
kickoff time.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
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the Keys to the game.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Guys, you've waited all week for it.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
The whole teams in the locker room right now, just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Here are Hall, mic and Tamayor's keys to the game.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
That's right. We got the key back from last year.

Speaker 9 (09:00):
We didn't award it to anyone last week.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
It was my preseason. You know, that's usually how it goes, Paul, symbolically,
that's what it says. Well, if if you're so sure, Paul,
why don't you lead us off tonight?

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Since I think your key tonight is very so I'm
gonna see the floor and I'm going to allow ladies First, oh,
all right, I'm quite Gola like that way.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Rod Mayo always does that in his press conferences whenever
a lady asked a question and a guy speaks up,
He's like, gotta go, ladies. First, love that, Paul. For me,
it's turned the page. I think the joint practice was
very telling. I like how Girod Mayo's said before practice
it's gonna be a good measuring stick for where we are.
The outcome wasn't that great, and I think it was
very telling of where this offense is. The offensive line

(09:37):
did not look great. Jacoby Brissett had two interceptions. Drake
may had a tough time after seven on seven. So
I want them to turn the page, leave that practice
behind them, and know that we still have a preseason
game two more of them. The season hasn't even started.
You can't hang your head and just call it quits.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
You still have a whole season to go.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, it's good, Paul, What what do you got? I
like that one.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, I might have to say that I might not win.
This is going to sound familiar. And if you think
you heard this before you did last week and my
basic messages this week, you were not able to do
what I asked you to do last week. So can
we maybe work on that a little bit and get
it done. I want a smooth operation. I want them

(10:19):
to be smooth operators tonight. Figure out a way to
get in and out of the huddle, get to the
line of scrimmage, get lined up, get the snap, don't
fumble it, and don't jump offside. I don't really think
that's asking too much. I know I'm getting wonded. I
told you before the show of feeling some energy tonight.
It was really frustrating to talk about it last week
before the Panthers game and then go out and watch

(10:40):
I believe four fall start penalties in the first half.
It was way more frustrating to watch joint practices on
Tuesday and see a litany of mental errors. They had
to re huddle once. They had what I think would
have been numerous delay of game penalties. They had I
think six snap penalties that were actually called by the officials.

(11:04):
They had issues with ball security. They had a little
jet sweep that they fumbled the ball. They had a
fumbled snap. They had a play where Jacoby Brissett actually
took the snap, turned and started off into a rollout
and got tripped up over his lineman and ended up
falling down in the backfield. These are not hard plays.
And I know I've said this before, Mike, we always
talk about it. I feel like we say the same

(11:24):
things all the time. Austin Hooper, do you want to
be a cross country team? Do you want to be
a football team? They can spend the whole time running
until they figure this out, but it needs to start tonight.
You cannot play offense if you're consistently going three yards
forward and then five yards back. They had so many
drives in the first half against Carolina last week where

(11:47):
it was you know, second and seven, and all of
a sudden it's second and thirteen or you know whatever,
second and twelve. You can't win that way, shooting yourself
in the foot consistently, and Girodmeo needs to put an
end to it. Yeah, now, yeah, especially, that's my key,
especially when you don't.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
When you don't have that, you know, an overwhelming amount
of talent as well. I mean, it's just it's a
non starter. I mean, I think Hooper also just said
you don't need any talent to you know, I mean,
just talk about you talk about your days at ever
high and then you know, get into the line and listen.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I know, like I was the worst high school quarterback
that you've ever seen, but I could get the team
in and out of the huddle and we didn't jump
off side and I didn't fumble snaps. I got killed,
but we didn't know And I understand how I'm just
I'm joking to make a point. I mean, obviously it's
a much more simplistic high school offense that I ran
one hundred years ago than they run now. But it

(12:37):
doesn't take It doesn't take ability to not commit a
fall start penalty. Yeah, it doesn't take any ability.

Speaker 8 (12:43):
I like that.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
Paul Jacoby Brissett actually said this that one day of
training camp where the offense had a really good day.
He said, today was the first day we didn't beat ourselves.
And I think this team who's been struggling to not
beat themselves just completely like complete passes and get first downs.
It's like, you can't have these types of mistakes because
you're already struggling to get points on the board. That

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was an issue last year, too' done.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's what I was just about to say, was that,
you know, for how much we believed in the coaching
staff previously, and you know that they could at least
play like those things went away last year and that
was such you know, it was such an underrated part
of why they were a bad team last year was
killing themselves with untimely mistake, special teams, penalties.

Speaker 9 (13:22):
I mean, those kind of things just added up.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
So it's a It's very true, Paul, And it doesn't
really take anything special for them to be able to
do it tonight. So what will it mean If they
are able to do it, would be a good sign
and a good step forward for me.

Speaker 9 (13:33):
I'm gonna keep the the Drake puns going here. I'm
trying to burn them all off here.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I I don't know, but let Drake bake. Last week
was May Day. But look, I think there's a lot
that's happened to this team in the last you know
week plus going back to the last preseason game, Drake
didn't really play much, you know, going into the joint practice,
they didn't play well. Now Judon's gone. I just think
what this team and what this fan base needs tonight.
And I'm not saying that it's gonna mean that everything's

(13:58):
gonna be okay, But I think tonight they need a
little flash from Drake May. They need something just to
grasp onto and say, you know what, this kid does
have some talent. He's not there yet, but we understand
at least this part of it, and we're excited for
that because if he goes out there again and doesn't
play a lot, and I know that there's some reports
that we'll get into how much he'll play, but you know,
if he doesn't go out there and doesn't play a lot,

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or he hands it off a lot and it's just
you know, it's all screens and there's you know, nothing
really there, and it's not going to take much.

Speaker 9 (14:24):
I think it's just going to take you know.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
A cursory play that you know we're going to overreact
to and the fans can overreact to. But I just
need to see a little glimpse tonight from Drake May,
a little bit of the special. Maybe a live you know,
gets out on the run, just chucks the ball up
and it's a completion downfield. Just you know, something that
can get the fans a little bit more excited and
back on board with Drake Man. I think it'll go
a long way tonight. What's it going to mean in
the grand scheme of thing. I don't know if it's

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going to mean anything because it's just a preseason game
and there's a long way to go. But I just
love to see Drake bake a little bit tonight. We'll
see Paul want I mean, was it Albert Brier? I
think reported.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, I guess from what a lot of people are
talking about. The play tonight is Jacobe Brissette will start
play about a quarter, and then May will go in
play the second.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Quarter and into the third.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
I'm not sure if it'll be the whole third, but
into the third, and then I think Joe Milton will
finish the game out from there.

Speaker 8 (15:13):
I like that, and it's funny.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
My grandma two nights ago, she was like, Tamara, what
are they gonna let Drake May play more?

Speaker 8 (15:19):
And then I was like the fact that my grandma
is asking me this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
So tell grandma correct. And not only that, I would
say he should be starting. He should be starting this
game and playing I think the entire first half, and
I would like to see him go out there and
start the game with you know whatever they deem right
now to be their their first unit. I'm totally with Grandma.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, I mean it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I'm grandpa, so I mean it makes sense.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
I said this to myself. I was like, how does
she even know?

Speaker 10 (15:48):
What?

Speaker 11 (15:49):
Like?

Speaker 8 (15:49):
Who that is? What's going on? She's like, Tamara, I
can read.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I'm like, okay, in your career.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
And now I'm sure she's listening.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
So she's given hot takes a call in Grandma eight
five to five, pats five hundred, tell us how much
Drake May you want to see tonight?

Speaker 9 (16:04):
So that that's the keys in.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I don't know if you're with me, but I think
I think this goes to Tamara tonight because I just
I think her embodies kind of everything that you and
I were saying.

Speaker 9 (16:12):
Turn the page.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Turn the page from sloppiness, turn the page from not
really giving Drake May any action. I'm going to give
Tamara the inaugural twenty twenty four on what is it? Unburrowed?
What do you call that when they actually make there's no,
it's a key to nothing. Oh yeah, it's simply just
a key that party kicked up unetched's that's a good one.
There we go, pomp and circumstance here on the Patriots

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pregame show, I feel but I.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Really liked about Tamara's key was because I do think
Tuesday was relevant. Yeah, you know, you only had one
joint practice. You know, some teams do two different sessions
with different teams, some teams do two sessions with the
same team. You know, so four all together. Patriots chose
to do one, so they only had one chance to
make a you know, make a good impression and really

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especially offensively. Defensively wasn't terrible, but offensively it was train wreck.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I want to drill down on that a little bit, Paul,
because we've seen the same offensive line configuration for a
while now, a couple of weeks. I mean, they've had
Vederian Low City Show, David Andrews, Michael and when you
chookes a corps for it hasn't looked great.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
And you know who one of the bigger problems was
Tuesday was well when you he really struggled.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
Which we can't even think about yet because you came.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
It's just like that, you know, the Christian Gonzales thing
I brought up during the show when we did the
live show, like you can't have a world where you're
not convinced that that interior three is gonna be okay.
The interior three was not okay on Tuesday. It wasn't
just the tackles.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
And even so going back to last game, just with
a little all over the place looked a little overwhelmed.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
At times, I thought David Andrews was the only guy
that looked like his normal self.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Like my question is, and you know, we saw time
early in camp when Cayden Wallace was at left tackle initially,
you know, we've seen other guys. I just to me,
I think they got to change it up. I just
I think you got to start messing around a little
bit with it. I mean we I think tomorrow. I
think you said it on one of the first shows
where it was like I'd love to just settle on
the line, and I like, I was on board with that,

(18:06):
but it's like, but this line isn't doing the job guys,
And I just to me, I think Cayden Wallace is
the key, because.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well, the only thing is what was worse the first
line on the second half. But I know, I know,
and great may really had no chance.

Speaker 9 (18:18):
And that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's it's I have no reason to believe in Kayden
Wallace based on what we've seen other than he's still
a rookie and there's maybe still something there. But it's
hard to have faith. We saw Vedarian Lowe last year,
We've seen Calvin Anderson play in the league for a while.
You know, Chops of corfour has been here. I would say, yes,
he played in Pittsburgh. To me, he's been standard average.

(18:40):
I mean that, you know that to me. So I
just think if there's any chance over these last couple
of weeks that Kayden Wallace can emerge at either spot,
and I might be you know, wis hoping against hope
that he could become a left tackle all of a sudden,
But him and.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
Laiden, I definitely don't like hearing from, you know, the
head coach. We're still under construction offensive line, and by
the third preseason game, we hope to figure out who
that best five is.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
I would like to figure that out by the end
of tonight.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Like I don't want to wait until the end of
the third preseason game versus the Commanders, when who knows
who they're going to be playing at that point, it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 8 (19:13):
I want to find out today versus I'm going to keep.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
An eye on tonight. You know it's going to be
Jacoby Brissett by you know, according to reports. Be interesting
to see if he goes with the same guys that
we've seen now for probably a full week, oh maybe
a little bit more, Yeah, maybe eight or nine days. Yeah,
it'd be interesting if he goes back with you.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Know, low So.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
I like that low So Andrews when you and a
corps of four, or if he decides to maybe mix
it up with one of one of both of those rookies.
I think Leyden Robinson has been has been pretty good
at the left guard spot. Maybe electricity right, maybe he
gets in there.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
Is there any thought that potentially on one who could
be moved back to tackle, I.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Think there is, yeah, And I think there was some
you know, discussion of that too. It just it still
doesn't solve the problems a left tackle. And I just
I think, you know, a corp of four, you're just hoping.
And I wonder if some of what they've done with
him is they've realized that he's the only one who
looks like he could just reach like an NFL baseline,
which you know, even that might be a little bit
of a stretch to this point because he has been
kind of banged up. I just I thought we would

(20:10):
have come out maybe Sunday, and that we would have
a new you know, a new operator. Just let's give
some other guys a look. And it's it's hard for
me to see kind of a jump from joint practice
two days ago to hear we come in a game
and you know, guys, now is the time to switch
it up. I would I would think it would happen
in practice or you know, but going back and looking
at that last week's game, it was, it was it
was rough. I mean, those tackles, it's it's a little scary.

(20:33):
I know, I'm the guy who's like, I'm not going
to worry about it. I'm worried about it. I'm definitely
worried about it. I just thought all the time. But
I told you, I know, I come in ebbs and flows.
I was trying to I was trying to project confidence,
but it's hard to when you see the tape and
I you know, and I look, I try to give
a little bit of a benefit of the doubt. Early
in training camp, when you get going and you don't
really know, and it's like, look, let's let the team

(20:54):
come to me. I'm not going to come in here
flying with hot takes, and you know, I just I
want to see it develop. But when I see it,
you know, kind of going back to what I said
with kem White, like I want ke On White to
be awesome. I you know, I'm in the perfect world.
I just I think what's disappointing to me, guys is
that I think if you told me Kate.

Speaker 9 (21:11):
Wallace, they took him sixty eighth overall on the third round.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
If if he can't crack the starting lineup in either spot,
it's a really it's a really hard position to be
in when you take a tackle a third round with
how much you needed it. I mean, that was convince of, well,
we're going to try to play him left tackle. I
just he's the only one. I have kind of some
hope that maybe if he's able to play right tackle,
that maybe you be able to move a quorter four
back to the left side and then maybe things can

(21:33):
stabilize a little bit. But still going in with this
same five, I just I don't I don't have a
lot of confidence that it's all of a sudden gonna
start clicking and looking better.

Speaker 9 (21:41):
I think they need to be shook up.

Speaker 12 (21:43):
A little bit.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
I think you have a right to worry, Mike, especially
if that's going to be the reason why you're not
going to see more snaps from Drake May. If the
offensive line is going to hold back Drake May's development,
then you have a lot to worry about because at
the end of the day, like if he's the quarterback
of the future, how you're gonna get him ready if
you don't have an offensive line to protect him first.
So I don't know if there's a way to get
one in a trade or anything right now, or what

(22:04):
they can do to potentially help them be able to
get more snaps this season, but they have to figure
out something.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
It seems hard. We'll see what they got tonight and
certainly everybody will get some snaps and love to hear
from you, guys. Two eight five five Pats five hundred.
Give us a call, shoot us an email, web radio
at Patriots dot com. We're gonna welcome Dave Spadaro at
five point forty. Give us a little bit of insight
what the Eagles guys were watching. They must have been
pretty psyched watching their team look look pretty good. But guys,

(22:30):
just you know, some overall thoughts though, any any surprises,
you know, and we don't have to kill the offense
from the joint practice, but just you know, overall other
things that kind of occurred over the course of that
that session. Was there anything that that stood out to
you other than jeez, the offense looks pretty pretty shaky
right now.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
I mean, not a surprise, but nobody could get open,
Like I feel like that was still a continuation into
those joint practices. Nobody could get open, which is gonna
be tough because it's like down the stretch, you have
all these teams to play that you haven't even really played.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
Yeah, you're still in practice.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
So if you can't get open in practice and these
one on one drills and these formulated eleven elevens, how
are you going to do it in actual full game speed?

Speaker 13 (23:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, probably what anything?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, No, I think that that's accurate. It wasn't just
the offensive line. But you know, I'll I'm gonna take
a step outside of the box for me, and I'm
going to say I thought there were some encouraging things
defensively with specifically the front seven.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I thought that they were pretty physical.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
I really liked and I caught the end of Lane Johnson,
you know, the tackle Pro Bowl tackle for the Eagles. Mike,
you were there, and you kind of filled me in
on one of his quotes, just how complimentary was of
your boy to start. You talked about Jabrill Pepper's really
kind of setting the tone come up and you know,
knocked a couple of guys around, and and Johnson talked

(23:50):
about how difficult the Patriots make it on you, and
they really stress you to keep with your technique and
if you're if you're losing your fundamentals, they're going to
make you pay for it because they can find matchups
to exploit. And I thought the front seven did a
good job after it kind of a slow start. They
did a good job of kind of neutralizing what had
been a pretty good Eagles attack to start the practice. Now,

(24:12):
I don't want to say that they took it over
or anything like that. The Eagles still made plays, but
I thought it became sort of even, you know, the
last two full rounds of eleven on eleven's, So I
thought that was a good showing by them.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
I like that Paul. I definitely saw. You know, Devon
Gotja had a few run stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, he was good.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
He was good against it.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
I looked like he had a sack at one point.
Pepper's obviously was all over the field. So I like that,
especially when you have Marcus Jones and John Jones who
didn't practice in the joint practice. It was encouraging to
see they still were able to find ways to make plays.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
A couple real quick, you know, quasi Patriots related things.
Just looking, it's that time, so like the NFL wire
comes out around four o'clock, four point thirty and people
start tweeting stuff. Our Carl Davis old friend. Yeah, was
waived by the Dallas Cowboys. So I don't know if looking,
if you think that there's an issue with your run,

(25:03):
you run depth.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
How they feel about Percell, Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
I don't necessarily think they need him, but just now saying,
Jalen Mills was also waved today with a non football
injury designation. So something happened to Jalen Mills that I'm
not aware of.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
It does a calf strain, but now he's officially healthy
and expected to be sent somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, but I wonder what the injury designation is for.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
It said a calf strain. When I looked at the tweet,
I think, but.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't be totally
opposed to it.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I think it just depends on how they feel like
the Marco Wilsons and the Alex Austins of the world
are doing. You know, I mean he's I feel like
he's transitioning more towards the hybrid safety kind of role
where you know, he didn't play a time last Jalen Hawkins. Yeah,
I mean, he knows the system. He's a pretty physical guy.
I just I think, really right now, my concern is
either you got to either be a pure cornerback outside

(25:56):
cornerback orse or a real slot cornerback. And I think
he's kind of past those days. But interesting, and I
don't think they need I don't think they need Carl Davis.
But going back real quick, just to Peppers and Gotcha.
I listened to their interviews a little late because we
were doing the radio show. I just thought those guys
are stepping up as leaders. And you know the way
that Godshaw talked about taking some of the younger players

(26:17):
under his wing, whether it was Jeremi Farms who had
you know, a great game and was you know, really
really praised by everybody. It seems like both of them
are just they're starting to talk him, which now with
Judon gone, they need that, you know, And I think
that Peppers is one guy and he's never been shy,
but he's a really fun guy to listen to. I mean,

(26:37):
I know I'm biased. I mean, I'm a big Peppers fan,
but I just I love some of his quotes. You know,
he's got a lot of these like little mister Maggie
quotes in his back.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I don't want to get jealous, but we've got a
chance to talk to him.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Really, did you enjoy? I mean, he's just a fun guy.
You know, plays with an old school edge, and I
just I think on a defense that right now is
gonna go through some transition, you need some guys who
tone setters and who play a little bit with an edge,
and you know, I just Peppers talked about his maturity
and you know, he's like, man, I gotten thrown out
a lot of these practices when I was younger, and

(27:09):
I you know, I was telling these guys, you know,
this is this is how you have to approach it,
and so I don't know.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
I just I like those guys.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I think they need to step up, they need to
emerge as leaders, and they really need to, you know,
just steady the ship on the defensive side of the
ball now without Judah On who was really kind of
the emotional leader at least in the forward, forward facing
kind of way.

Speaker 7 (27:29):
I like how you bring up their leadership. Because I
actually have Peppers on my list of sleeper candidates for
being a captain this year. I'm interested to see, Like,
I don't think it's going to be the same group
of guys as captains this year, and I have Peppers
as a guy, John Jones too, John Jones and Peppers
as guys who I think are going to be captains.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
But we'll see.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
Yeah, I think so all right, should be.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I can't argue because I don't know who the captains are.
I don't like Timmy, David Andrews.

Speaker 8 (27:56):
David Andrews.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
You know, it's gonna be not having Slater as a
It's gonna be weird. I think it's gonna be different
this year.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
It's definitely gonna be different here here, there's no question
about that, and let's let's jump over to the phones though,
and Patty's been holding on for a while. Patty usually
kick us off here on the pregame show. Thanks for
calling in.

Speaker 14 (28:14):
Not a problem everyone, So yeah, I agree to Marilye
today and Paul you have points for Ladies field first,
but I still think she wanted and Polly you definitely
won last week too. So I wanted to bring up
something that I thought up to the catch twenty two guys,
Evan and Alex, and I wanted to get your guys
take on it. Now. I've been on record with Fred

(28:34):
saying that Drake na should start Week one, and I
listened to the whole joint going to Practice podcast live
and now I'm sort of walking that take back, and
I'm I'm I might be with the majority of Patriots
fans now that have been saying, don't let the get
don't let the guys start week one. Maybe let him

(28:57):
sit for the whole year, because my fear is I
don't want him to become a Zach Wilson. Or maybe
a better example would be like a David Carr, Like,
I know the line's not going to be good this year,
and the one thing that I don't want our number
three overall pick the guy that they selected to be
the next franchise, is to just start developing bad habits

(29:18):
like Mac Jones or like David car did, or to
get rattled into become a shell of like what we
thought he could be. And I'd be all right with
letting the kids sit for the majority of the year,
even though I'm on record I'm Patriots and filter saying
I want him to start week one. I want to
see what you guys think and you know, let's go.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Baby, Thanks Patty.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, I mean I I don't. I still would like
to see him start and play as soon as possible.
Now that's, you know, contingent on the fact that he's ready.
And I don't know the behind the scenes stuff, so
I'm not talking, well, he doesn't know the plays, he
doesn't know the reads, he doesn't you know what. No,
I don't want to put him out there if he's

(30:04):
not ready to play, you know what I mean, physically
ready to play, mentally ready to play. I don't want
him out there. I don't subscribe to the theory that
you can't play him because this team's not good enough
to play like you know, I don't. I don't like that.
You know. Someone was telling me like, see, like look
what happened to JJ McCarthy, And I'm like, well, what's

(30:24):
the difference between what JJ McCarthy's going to have this
year and what Drake may is going to have? If
you don't play Drake Mayo, Yay, it's gonna be a
year to sit, watch and develop. The only difference is
Drake May will practice every day and McCarthy won't be
able to practice. He's not gonna play in games. Neither
one of them are going to play in games, so
they're not going to get really a whole lot of
development time. They're gonna learn, they're gonna be in meetings,

(30:45):
they're gonna watch film, and they're gonna learn how to
be NFL players, both of them. You know, It's like
to me, it's not that big of a difference. Obviously,
I would not want Drake may to get hurt, like
it's better newsflash, it's better to be he been injured, right,
But I just don't think that like Minnesota now is like,
oh man, this is a disaster. We're done. You know,

(31:09):
Sam Donald was probably going to start the season and
they were going to make way for JJ McCarthy. I
don't know that that's the plan here. I think Jacoby
Brissett could very well start and end the season, and
I think that's a mistake.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, I do too. I mean I I haven't really
moved off my spot. I mean, I just I don't
need him to start week one. But I think if
this season goes by and he doesn't play at all,
it's it's a disappointment and it's a it's a disservice
to him.

Speaker 9 (31:33):
I agree with your points.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
It's it's like it goes back to that like Donald
Donald Rumstell thing like you don't go to war with
the army you want. You go to war with the
army you have. And at a certain would you become
so deep? You know, I got some quotes, but I
just there's part of me that's like, can we you know,
and this is the this is like the the the
kind of the Kamakazi take of just like can we
just put him out there with Javon Baker and Jalen

(31:57):
Polk and just and and you know, work Jahem bell
In and just put all the young guys out there,
and look, it's going to be a bad season anyway,
But let's just let those kids go out there and
take their lumps and and you know, get their butts
kicked together and build kind of this team that you
know from scratch, and we know that they're all going
to be here for at least that core that I
named for four years to kind of start things out.

(32:19):
There's part of me that wants to say that, but
at the same time, we haven't even seen him play
with the top line, and so how can we wish
for him to start when we haven't seen him even
get the chance.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
That's why I mean, clearly they don't think he's ready.

Speaker 7 (32:31):
Yeah, And I think that with reps, especially if he
was getting playing time this year, when you are in
a rebuilding year, I think that going through that perseverance
can build character in maturity for all of them, not
just him. So I think that it can be really,
really life changing for him in this program if they
can get him out there and get some reps. I
understand everyone's like, look at Jordan Love, he didn't get

(32:52):
reps and look, he's fine now, but that's not the
case for everybody. And I think that you can't compare
it to Jordan Love. You can't compare it to Patrick Mahomes.
You have to take it for if Dreck is ready
to put him out there, don't hold him back just
because an offensive line isn't ready to go.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, and I just to put a bow on it,
I would say, And there's no fact here, this is
just my opinion. Like Zach Wilson, I don't think got
wrecked by playing Now. Could it have been different with
another team and another system, maybe with a little more
time to Yeah, sure, I'm willing to say it might
have been different.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I don't think he's very good. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
David Carr, they set a record for most sacks allowed
when he played. Maybe he got gun shy, absolutely, you know,
absolutely plausible. I just think it's a very simplistic way
to say, well, he played early, he wasn't ready, he
got hurt, or he developed bad habits. That's not the
way to do it. Like I've seen a lot of
guys play early, get get bad habits, and then sort

(33:48):
of figure it out and become good, like Peyton Manning
who through twenty eight picks. And I understand Peyton Manning
one of the whatever you want to say, five best
ten best quarterbacks ever, get it. Not everybody's that good.
I feel like, if you have the ability, it will
eventually shine.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, you know, Paul, I thought about you. It's I
don't know what it means, but it's just funny to
see in Denver Jared'stidham, you know, former Patriots back up,
you know, competing against Zach Wilson, who you know, it
was kind of a question between like, all right, do
we stick with Jarretts? Did him at this point? And
we're gonna get Drake May? But now like the guy
who went what third overall? What is that? What?

Speaker 9 (34:24):
Zach Wilson went to the Jets?

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Like you know what I mean. It's just like, no,
it was two overall. It's funny and Contrail looks back
and be like, you know, like, oh my gosh, imagine now,
like we could have Zach Wilson, Like I don't know,
I don't know what it all means.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
And those guys it's easy to do that. I'm not
picking on Patty like because we all do it, but
it's easy to say if this didn't happen, this would
have happened. And I just there are things that are
impossible to know because they didn't happen, So we don't
have definitive proof that you know, X plus Y ended
up equaling Z. We don't know that for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah. The other piece I've kind of found myself thinking
about the last couple of days is just how do
you like, what's reasonable to expect in a rebuild? And
you know, I mentioned off, you know, before we went
on the show kind of twenty twenty, which you know
felt like not the same year, but you're in the
wake of Brady ruining. I know it was my take anyway,
No I stole it, but no one's someone's listening anyway.

(35:17):
But you know, twenty twenty, you're going through a little
bit of a transition, and we see, you know, kind
of how Bill approached it, and Bill went with, you know,
get the veteran quarterback, spend a lot in free agent.
He didn't have a lot of young guys to kind
of pull up. You know, this time around, you're seeing
a kind of a different approach. You know, just what
are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Interesting to hear him with your boy Pat McAfee, who
thankfully he did not make fun of me this week
like you did last year. Interesting to hear him talk about,
you know, you get young quarterbacks, you got to play. Yeah,
and he's not necessarily saying you have to play them
right away in the regular season. Yeah, you're saying you
got to you got to get up some work in
training camp. But I that that to me, Like, if

(35:55):
Girod Mayo and the staff have decided that they don't
think he's ready to play week or even in twenty
twenty four, I can accept that. I can't accept six
snaps in the first game, and I'm not really thrilled
with him not playing until the second quarter tonight, after
which I am assuming a lot of frontline guys are

(36:15):
no longer going to be playing. Yeah, Like, I don't
think that makes a lot of it. I don't think
that puts Drake may in a position to develop as
quickly as he could.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
And I don't think that we should wait for Jacoby
Brissett to get hurt or for the season to be
down the drain for you to put Drake may in.
I feel like, looking you back at Josh Allen's rookie season,
who everyone likes to compare Drake made to Josh Allen.
He had twelve interceptions in twelve games, and you know,
he learned from it, he's grown from it. Obviously, they
still haven't won a Super Bowl or anything, so you

(36:44):
can't go that far. But he's still a great quarterback,
one of the best in this league. So I think
that comes from putting him out there. He played twelve
games his rookie season. I would love to see Drake
May play twelve games this season. I think it could
do dividends for how he plays next year.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, it's just I mean I think back of that
season of you know, watch and Cam Newton play and
you know, it's just kind of a lamed up quarterback
and you know he's you know, probably not going to
be the future. And you know, I feel like that's
gonna be the similar situation with with Jacoby, and everyone's just,
you know, gonna kind of be chomping at the bit
to get the kid in there, and you know, I
just it's it's hard to see how it's all gonna unfold,
especially you know, if the offense is having a tough

(37:20):
time and Jacoby's taking a lot of pressure and you know,
but to Paul's point, you got to find out at
some point, and if you sit on him, this whole
first year. I mean, I can't go into next year
being like I have no idea what we have with
Drake May again, you know, no, all right, let's jump
back because Ray down Atlanta, he's he's got a Drake
May question as well.

Speaker 10 (37:37):
Hey Ray, Hey, how's it going, guys?

Speaker 13 (37:41):
Good?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Good, thanks for coming up.

Speaker 10 (37:43):
Hey call him once again once again. And I can't
wait to see, as it's talking to sound, I can't
wait to see what Drake May is made of, because,
like Paul said, I think a week back, if I'm correct,
that football, whether you are a rookie or a vet,

(38:03):
this is football. And we need to stop treating him
like a kid on the field. He has to go
through stuff just like any anybody else. It's illogical to,
you know, wish that.

Speaker 15 (38:15):
You know, he'll get hurt.

Speaker 10 (38:16):
We don't want that, but we want him to play
ball and we should not treat him like a kid
on the field. He gonna learn to take the snaps,
he's gonna learn to avoid certain things and work on
his technique and and and we're gonna see what he's
made of starting tonight. And everybody should get their fair
chance being on the field, whether you're a vet or

(38:36):
whether you're a rookie, see what you got, work on
your mistakes, watch the film as they always stay, and
then we'll sum it up, you know, with this game
and other games to come. But we have to put
them on the field, let them get more shot at,
you know, throwing dimes or passes or or run it

(38:59):
or whatever. We got to see what he's made of. Yeah,
putting the stop, putting all the bubble and protection around him,
you know, just let him rock, as we say, let him.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Let I agree right what he got. I would just say, like,
you're not going to find any of that stuff out
tonight or in any preseason game. But in order for
him to be ready to see what he's made of
when it counts, he needs reps, he needs to develop,
he needs time to practice. And I would sort of

(39:29):
question the plan so far. I don't believe they've done
enough to get him possibly to where he's ready to
play in a regular season game. Why people say like, well,
he's further behind than we thought, Well, how would we know.
He doesn't get enough time to tell me if he's
further ahead behind or write where we should be right, And.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's that goes back to the thing of we kind
of all want to see him get some frontline reps.
I mean, I think that's just you know, that's the
next step of getting him in there, get you know,
really feeling like he's got a chance, hopefully as good
as it's going to to get with this team. So
I just I struggle to imagine how it can be
beneficial to Drake made a citield season. Can I has
more question? Though a lot of people talk about.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
The question if you gonna ask a lot of question.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
To do it, A lot of people talk about the
Packer way, and I just I just I don't know
if the comparison of like, well, you know, Aaron Rodgers
staff behind Brett Farva. I mean, both examples are are
hall of fame quarterbacks that you already had, And so
I just like, I like, are we so sure that
this is part of the Packer way that they just
they demand that a guy sit or was it just
in the two examples that everybody names, they had hall

(40:31):
of fame guys and they drafted, you know, had a
guy highly drafted sitting behind.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
That's to me, it's b to answer your question. And
I've said this a million times it's also really easy
to develop the guy who's waiting because the guy who
is already in place doesn't need all the work. Jacoby
Wes said, is coming to a new team with new teammates. Yes,
I understand he has some, you know, experience in this system,

(40:58):
but there was a few years ago. So he needs
to play to get ready to play in the regular season.
So you don't have the same luxury that the Packers did.
Say when Mike Homebern had Brett Favre and whoever was
the coach then, you know, I don't even remember, was
it Mike McCarthy. I guess when when Aaron Rodgers was

(41:18):
replacing Brett Favre. Like, Brett Favre doesn't need to play
in training camp in preseason. He's in the league for
fifteen years. He's like three time MVP. He doesn't need
those reps. Jacoby Brissett does. That's a hard needle threat.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
I like that, Like if Tom Brady was here right
now and then it was Tom Brady and Drake May.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
Absolutely tom Brady doesn't need all those reps. Let Drake
May go out there and figure.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
It out big.

Speaker 9 (41:41):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
We can't say it again after this show that I'm
just saying, I've burned that one. Let's go over to
New York. Ron disappointed after joint practices.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Hey Ron, Hey, guys, thank.

Speaker 16 (41:51):
You for taking the call. You know, First of all,
a quick question before I get to my point. Is
there a reason why they put the defensive scrimmage towards
the fans? Was that the high the offense?

Speaker 9 (42:02):
Yeah, we got a lot of complaints about that.

Speaker 16 (42:03):
Through the defensive reps to see what's going on over there,
And I kept telling my son, I think they're doing
that on purpose because they want to hear the cheers
and jeers from the audience with the limited positive plays
that came from the defensive side. But all joking aside,
I understand everybody to see Drake May and get the reps.
But the reps that I'm talking about that I just
I can't bathom what's going on there in Foxborough. Is

(42:26):
Darian Lowe is not an NFL left tackle. I've seen
enough to know. How could these coaches not have seen
enough to know? And Antonio Maffi at center, Listen, I
need to go down before that guy's taking snaps in
an actual game. It's just it's it's catastrophic to see that.
You're it's an adventure if the ball is going to
get back to the quarterback and he's got to look

(42:46):
down to watch the ball. You know, is everything in
this offense? And again I pushed back and say that, look,
we only need a stopgap left tackle. We don't need
the franchise guy. Now we're gonna take that early next
year or we're gonna sign or trade for. But it's
not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Now, Can I just ask a question? Yeah, Like, I
don't disagree with anything you've said, but do you know
a left tackle that's on the roster right now that's
better than Vaderian Low?

Speaker 16 (43:16):
Listen, I would I would risk that the unknown of
Caden Wallace, or that the limited footage of Chucks is
better than what I've watched.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
The Chukes was not better than Vaderian Low last week
playing right tackle.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I mean, I can only go off of what they've
actually done on the field. Cayden Wallace struggled last week
and Chukes A CORPS four was flat out bad last week.
Now I'm going to give a Corps four a little
bit of a pass because he missed like three days
of practice in a row before the game. But he
was very hard on himself for his performance not up

(43:50):
to speed. He was not good in that game. Heian
Low was was okay in the game last week.

Speaker 16 (43:57):
Why wouldn't we bringing a stop gap like a a
Peters or a back Ti. I know all the warts
on those guys, I do, but it's better than what's
here now.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Well, back Tari is not going to be able to
physically play like you know you can, like Charles Leno
is coming off hip surgery. Like these guys that everybody
wants to sign are not physically the answer.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
No, And I think if you get to that point
in the next couple of weeks, I mean remember last
year when they were like then they realized push the
panic button and they made like trades to get what
I'm going.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
To be surprised if if what Ron just said could
happen back to come out like you.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Know, what, what do we get to lose? Right right?

Speaker 4 (44:28):
You know, you just you just roll the dice and
say the guy can go on a time machine and
be like he was four years ago, and you know,
maybe that can happen. I like, I'm not here to
tell you it can't happen.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Would you agree, Paul? Overall, though a Chorapour been kind
of one of the problem guys with pre snap stuff.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Oh yeah, one of the focal yah, And I think
stuff more more problematic to me is he's been one
of the problem spots blocking. Yeah, Like I don't think
that they've I think that everybody saw Vadarian Lowell last year,
myself included, and they were like, this guy is not
the answer. I agree, But I'm not here to tell
you he's not the best left tackle on the roster.
I don't know. I don't know that he is or isn't.

(45:04):
I haven't seen anybody play any better than him.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
And I think that's why in my previous point, begging
to just see Wallace back over there, or to see
Wallace move up to right tackle and they slide a
quorps four over to the left, just you know that
at least a sign that they haven't given up on
still trying to figure it out.

Speaker 13 (45:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
It's like I think, if you told us two weeks
ago now they're going to settle, They're gonna have the
same group for like the next two weeks we'd be like, oh,
that sounds good.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
And that's exactly what happened, and no one feels good
about it.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
No one feels good about it.

Speaker 7 (45:30):
If they don't make changes in the offensive line, I
would say sometime in the next three weeks, then it's definitely.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
Going to be looking like they're turning the page of
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
And it's also it's a good point, and I think
it's also going to tell you they think this.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Is the best five. Yeah, that's what else can we
do now?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I do think that Wallace will get better and I
think Robinson will get better. Their rookies. Rookies generally, you know,
the trajectory goes out. So maybe he's not quite ready
right now, but maybe in three weeks, four weeks, you're like, oh, okay,
you know he's better than Low. Now, maybe he wasn't
better than Low in the middle of August, but in
the middle of September he is. That would be a

(46:07):
great sign, you know, Like if these guys continue.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
To rise, that's like what I'm kind of just hoping for.
I don't I don't have reason to be like, yes,
that's what I want to see it.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Like, if this is going to listen. I know that
people don't want to hear us talk about you know,
with as Fritz's whizm one. You know, people don't want
to hear us talk about rebuilding, right, they don't want
to hear us say these words. But if you're going
to be suffering through a subpar rebuilding kind of a year,
you want to have some things to hang your hat on.
And I think Leyden Robinson and Kayden Wallace are two

(46:35):
things that you could potentially hang your hat on if
they can show the development to get into the lineup.
And if that happens, then you figure, well, going into
the twenty five season, I have two second year offensive
line might feel really good, right right, that would be
a great sign.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
And let's tie it back to you know, continue to
ruin you steal in my twenty twenty take. You know,
remember that whole year though, Paul, you said it, why
are we playing these veterans on special teams? And you
know you didn't learn anything about a lot of guys,
I mean Anthony Jennings and Jerrop Mayo you know confirmed
that we you know, had him playing inside and didn't
really you know, we kind of got out of that season,
not knowing anything about Ucha really, I mean, Ja was

(47:13):
kind of an unknown quantity. Dugger played. Dugger played, I
mean he was starting around from the start, you know,
and when you the other guy should talk about Yeah,
I would rather instead of seeing you know, Tayshawn Bauer
off the practice squad.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
You know it. Yes, it's not my first howd you
get that one out? You know, like find out you know,
Terrez Hall was another guy. I got a ton of
time find out about Anthony Jennings right well.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
And that's why if we get to that point in
this season, I'd rather just like no offense to the
Kayshawn Booties of the world, or you.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
Know, I want to see Javon Baker out there.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I want to you know, maybe all right, maybe Kayshawn
Boody or Jalen Reger a little bit ahead of I
want to see the young kid that you know, and
let's find out right now if maybe there's something there,
so when we go into next off seasons, you know,
like like dream scenario, Hey, we don't need a number
one Javon Baker.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
He went off this year.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
We feel great about him on the outside, you know,
maybe we need all we can really just focus on
tackle and pass rusher and fill those pieces. But I
just I don't think we're going to go into this
season and get that same thing because they've gotten rid
of a lot of those pure special team veteran kind
of guys because I don't think you're going to need them,
yeah as much with the new rules.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
I honestly would rather go four and thirteen. And this
team faced a lot of trials and tribulations and it.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
Builds character all the rookies.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
And then you know, going into the draft, what you have,
what you learned, and I feel like you're gonna be
in way better shape than drafting blind thinking like, Okay,
we're gonna take a guest of what we need this
year versus let's see what we what we have learn
and figure out where we need to fill in the gap.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Let's grab Brent out in Reno, Nevada. Hey, Brent, thanks
for calling in.

Speaker 17 (48:46):
Hey guys, First of all, I just wanted to say
that my wife is definitely requesting Robert Crafting go bring
Bill Belichick back, because you know, I used to only
have Patriots time Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays, and now you know,
due to all this new access that we have. I
was sending a little bit too much time on my
phone and.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I like it.

Speaker 18 (49:05):
She's requested to say, bring him back and lock it up,
lock it down, just.

Speaker 15 (49:10):
Try it.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
You know how, I never say never, say never.

Speaker 11 (49:13):
A shout out to you.

Speaker 14 (49:13):
Never what's that?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
You know? I always say no, no, I don't rule
that out. I don't rule out any I always say I,
you know, I'd never say zero percent chance it's a
zero percent chance of Bill coming back.

Speaker 17 (49:25):
Oh, I actually don't want him back.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I love him.

Speaker 17 (49:28):
I was devastating when we left, but uh, you know
I was. I was gonna tell you, guys, I've been
a Patriots.

Speaker 11 (49:33):
Fan for twenty four years, and uh you know, obviously
I'm all the way out here on the West Coast,
so I don't get Boston local news. But I just
saw my first sideline interview yesterday and just hard to
figure out who Steve Turner was. And I've been missing
out in a lot of life not knowing who Steve
Turner was.

Speaker 17 (49:48):
Dude, when he wrestled that gator.

Speaker 19 (49:50):
On Life TV, Steve Burton miss yes, sorry, Steve.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Burton, Okay, yeah, yeah, he works for a local TV station.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Here in Boston.

Speaker 17 (50:01):
Okay, Well it looks like he's kind of a title
down stable that I've been missing out on for a
long time, and I'm glad I finally got to see him.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
There you go, all right, thanks Brent, appreciate the call,
and uh hope you hope your wife gets you back
once over all our content arn it.

Speaker 9 (50:17):
We'll jump right over to Brian down in Baltimore here, Brian, Brian.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Uh oh, this could be.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
No drop call. Hey, no drop.

Speaker 12 (50:28):
Cause how you doing?

Speaker 15 (50:29):
Hi A big fan, big fan of the show. I
was just calling because I was watching as I was
watching the preseason game last week and started drinking. Get
a lot of time. But uh, I just want to
harke him back a little bit twenty some years ago
with the Drew Blessoll thing. Is Tom Brady, Like, I
know it would be a good problem to have, but

(50:50):
say after this season, you know, Drake may goes into
next season rolling here or whatsoever. What do you think
about that idea of Joe Milton maybe like not wishing
to injury or anything, but has that taken place? Do
you think if Jamar Mayo would have the moxie to
continue that move to make that move similar to what
Bill Belichick? What is the move like because Tom Brady

(51:12):
was a six round draft pick. Yeah, and then he
eventually you served Joe Bledsoe, which we kind of got
the same thing here, but not similar with Drake May
and Joe Milton.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Yeah, if Drake May gets hurt and misses the season,
then Joe Milton will have a chance to play. I mean,
that's that's what Bill Belichick did. Drew Bledsoe almost died
on the field.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
But say Joe Millon.

Speaker 15 (51:34):
Comes in and play, well, do you see them thinking
with Joe Milton similar to what Bill Belichick did? Or
would do you see them going back to Drake Yeah?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Like if something happened to Drake May and Joe Milton
went in and played better than Drake May had been
playing before he got hurt. Yeah, thanks brit Yeah, absolutely,
Why wouldn't you if Joe Milton plays. So let's just say,
for arguments sake, Drake May starts the season and plays
the first couple of games and he's just okay, and
then he gets hurt and Joe Milton goes in and

(52:01):
plays outstanding. Why would you go back to Drake May?
Of course he would stick with Joe Milton, and.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
I just yeah, I mean I go back to like,
I mean, I just I think I don't care who
is the next great quarterback for the Patriots?

Speaker 9 (52:15):
Like, I don't care. We talked about it on the
show on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Where do you think San Francisco cares that they hit
on brock Perty instead of Trey Lance?

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Like, but do you think that they sit on the
forty nine ers pregame show right now and they're like,
you know, this is great that we have a super
Bowl team, but it would be better if the original
plan of Trey Lance was the reason why we were better.
I don't think people in two thousand and one were
like yeah, And I know there was probably sentimentality. I'm
sure I was guilty of the sentimentality. This is kind

(52:43):
of bittersweet because they're having all this success and Drew,
who was such a big part of getting him here,
is not a part of this. But ultimately you're winning
super Bowls?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Who cares?

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Who's the guy?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah playing quarterback?

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Your team's winning.

Speaker 8 (52:56):
Yeah. One quick note on the weather.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
It is like notes with the weather.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
It is lightning, it is thundering, it is raining. So
I'm wondering if that will alter a little bit of
Drake May's playing time tonight if it's still pouring rain.
Obviously they'll won't play if it's lightning. But like, if
that lightning stops but it's still pouring, do you think
that'll alter the amount of snaps day he's going to get.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I hope not. I mean, I just I mean, I
just think that I would love to just I hate
weather games, and it's weather games like not weather.

Speaker 9 (53:25):
I know, I apologize I said weather games.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
It's just, you know, something that just kind of takes
a little bit of the standard.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I think there was some drop passes last week because
of the wet the wetness of the ball and the conditions.
I think that absolutely had an impact on the first
quarter last week. I don't think it'll have an impact
on the snaps. And now if it's lightning, they're not
gonna play. Yeah, right, Like if it's actually lightning at
seven o'clock, they're going to delay the start and all
that stuff.

Speaker 9 (53:48):
But no, it does sound like the weather's.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Going to be coming through yea reasonably quick.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Kin it clear up so ifully, it'll it'll dry out
and we'll be able to have a competitive game here
without a lot of drop balls jumping over to the since,
oh you have some electronic hearts, yeah, Hardy never really
read them. So I feel like there's a.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Couple of things that have really stood out in the
two weeks that you filled in. And by the way,
filling in as the hopes, I.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Know, well we should say that is the preseason for
us next week, right.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Yeah, but you've put our starter in like flawlessly handled
the calls without dropping any of them the way our
previous did.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
We'll see about did.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
You not ignore the electronic mails?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
And I'm not avoiding this one from Rob in San
Diego via Connecticut. Robert Robert, I made it to training
camp with the kids this year. It was fantastic. We
met Marcus Cannon and Woodrow Hamilton. It's one of your guys,
Paul right, Woodrow Hamilton. He's an old school and.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
Got their autograph.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
The kids, being from California, tried Dell's for the first
time and they loved it. Fred shout out lemonade, Fray
it Fred loves the lemonade. It's flush. The camp was
super easy to access and very family friendly. I've been
telling you all along folks, if you have a chance
to go, it's great. A couple of questions though. First,
I heard on a reputable Eagles podcast that they're discussing
the need for w R threes and mentioned Patriots born

(55:00):
Douglas and born with us just trading judeon are we
open for business? Second, what can we do going anyway?
Douglas ain't going anywhere, and I just I think I
think Bourne's here to stay too.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
But second, I'm not just convinced them that one.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Now, what can we expect to see against the Eagles?
Will it be the Drake show? More Brissette? What about
the wide receivers in Urbast? Thanks everyone? So a lot
a lot to digest there. But again I would just
stick with the theme of young guys. And you know,
if this is going to be a season of trying
to reset the stage, I think I just I want
to see the young guys. I want to see Jalen

(55:33):
Polk continue to go out there and do what he's
done really since he was drafted, which is.

Speaker 9 (55:37):
Practice, catch balls, be involved.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
It's you know, I don't know what his ceiling is,
but if you're asking about a rookie wide receiver coming
into camp. I've seen way too many that have come
in and have gotten hurt and just seem like an afterthought,
and he just continues to be involved, and so I think,
you know, I just maybe he's a possession receiver and
that you know, that's fine. I think that's the kind
of guy that Drake may needs. And for Toime talking about, hey,

(56:00):
let's play with these guys like, it's a nice combination.

Speaker 9 (56:03):
It's kind of what we hoped it would be.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I don't know if it's going to develop into an
NFL version of what our imaginations have, but to have
a big, you know, possession receiver and with it, kind
of a flashy guy on the outside, maybe Buck Baker's
boom or bust. But I've seen enough flashes from these
guys that you're just like, man, if they could just
string it all together, I see, I see elements of it,
but it's hard.

Speaker 9 (56:25):
It's it's the NFL.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
There's no guarantee that it's all going to happen.

Speaker 7 (56:27):
I think for Mac Jones, his beinky was Jacoby Myers,
and he knew that if I got to have it play,
Jacoby was going to be that. They had great chemistry
and I think if Drake may could have that in
Pulk for you know, the next four years or whatever
time that they're here, that could be great for him
to have that guy. I don't think he's going to
be that, you know, Tyreek Hill type of receiver, but
I don't see anything wrong with a consistent, steady guy

(56:48):
who you can rely on like Polk.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah. Yeah, well Paul one of your friends from North
Carolina calling in Kendall.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Hey, Kendall, Hey, with good on gout?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
How much waiting for the rain?

Speaker 18 (57:01):
I just want to I know it's been a wow
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 15 (57:04):
Two week one.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
What do you think about why receiver? Del jar I mean,
do you think Obourne if.

Speaker 18 (57:09):
He's done enough in camp playing to be like number two?
I mean I heard he's been coming on lately in camp.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, thanks Kenny.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Not really, I don't think he's I mean it's hard
like I'm not a big. This is where I kind
of side with you, Mike. I'm not a big like
number one, two three guy.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I mean x y z on.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
I do think you need specific skill sets, and one
of which they don't have is sort of a big
outside the numbers, uh, physical threat downfield and they don't
have that. But I would say Douglas is probably their
best receiver, and I think that's bad because I don't
think that that's a good like, his skill set is
not necessarily conducive of a number one guy. But beyond that,

(57:52):
you know, it's Polk, It's Osborne, it's Taikwon Thornton, it's
Jay Von Baker, Jalen and Booty. Yeah, I mean, it
could be any it could be anybody. Yeah, you know,
I don't think anybody has necessarily separated himself from that pack.
I think Douglas, since he's been sort of full go

(58:12):
at practice, has been the number one guy. And I'm
not talking about number one receiver. He's been the most
consistent getting open, catching the ball and making plays. The
rest of them all have their moments of sort of
up and down play. I would say that you're right
about Polk. I think he is extremely consistent. I just
don't think his highs have been all that high. You know.

(58:34):
It's kind of like a you know, high floor, low
ceiling kind of guy, whereas Baker is definitely maybe as
the high ceiling, but a much lower floor. When when
Baker doesn't do anything at practice. It's way worse than
Polk not doing anything at practice, you know, and Osborne's
been up and down too. It's hard.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
It's hard for me discern. I mean, in my book
right now, I think it's I don't I don't see
them keeping seven receivers. I mean, we don't know what's
going to happen with Kendrick Bourne, right that's you. That's
the big X factor. But to me, I just Booty
is probably my guy on the outside right now of
that group. Like if I had to, you know, just
based on special teams, Booty be my out.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
I think Tomar wants to fight. You argue with him, Tomara,
do you want me to do you want me to
show you how to argue?

Speaker 8 (59:15):
It's I was gonna say. I think it might be Rigger.
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
I feel like after well, when Damrio Douglas was out,
riger was I feel like the most consistent and he
could get open and he has the speed, especially when
you were lacking Taekwon Thornton and a practice or two
here and there, I think Rieger kind of flashed for me.
And with Marcus Jones out, he's been playing a lot
on special teams, so that's why I have riger after
to Mario Douglas. So those are my top two.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I think it's hard.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
I mean I think if Bourne is ready to go,
I think it's you know, Born and Douglas and then
you fight it out to see who's going to be
out there with them. Yeah, And here's the other thing
that's that's a problem is if Bourne isn't ready and
then you just have base Like let's let's say it's
first and ten, they're gonna they're gonna have Hooper and
Henry a lot, but tight ends. Do you want one
of your wide receivers to be Mario Douglas in that scenario?

(01:00:05):
Like like in other words, we're gonna run the ball
and we're gonna you.

Speaker 9 (01:00:07):
Know, and and it's jarring even here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Jacobe Brissett say this week, I'm not really used to
a guy that small, Like you mean literally just said
exactly that you're gonna have to protect toa Mario Douglas.
He's not gonna play every single snap, He's not gonna
be I wish Evan was here to be like, what
is it like digging out the three technique or whatever
it is?

Speaker 9 (01:00:25):
When he gets technical to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Say non digging out the three technique zone.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Dig out a dig out the defensive end. But it's
just it's not gonna be what what Douglas does. I mean,
but Polp, you know that's the kind of guy that
that can block, is physical.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
You know he can do that. And I think Osborne
will do some of that stuff too, you know, I
think there'll be a role for for those guys. And
I think you're right. It's hard to necessarily pick one
guy out because, like listen, there's nobody more skeptical of
Taekwan Thwarton than me. I think he's had a decent camp.
I think he's shown up. I think Tamara's right. He

(01:00:57):
missed a little time with the with what he called
the soft tissue injury, but I give him some props.
He missed a practice or two, but he get back
out there for the game and he's consistently shown up.
But I just I need to see more. I need
to see it for a longer period of time, and
I need to see more plays. To Mario, Douglas makes
a lot of plays all the time, and Thornton doesn't.

(01:01:20):
No one else does.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
That, And that's the X factor to me, is that
and I feel like with Hunter Henry in the mix,
and you know, Evans talked about just how much success
tight ends have had in this system going back to Cleveland,
you know, and based on what we saw, Austin Hooper
was inconsistent, you know, against the Eagles and joint practices,
but he did make some plays. Hunter Henry's had another
productive camp. So also we.

Speaker 7 (01:01:40):
Should note that Hunter Henry is out and didn't participate
in those joint practices and drod Mail said he doesn't
anticipate him being.

Speaker 8 (01:01:46):
Out for a long time, but who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
What then, I just think he's been good, Yeah, I can.
And I think like if things went well on offense,
like let's just say, you know, let's play Fantasy Land
for a minute, and they're able to just solidify the
offensive line. It's nothing special, but it's just you know,
they're not cutting loose free rush and they're not you know,
getting a fallse star penalty every time. But if their
oftense is serviceable, I believe that they're gonna have some
success with their tight ends. They're gonna have some success

(01:02:09):
with the Mario Douglas and Jalen Polk in the middle
of the field. I hope they're able to run the
ball a little bit. I mean, I think all that's
probably another conversation to have, But I just think, to
Paul's point, the X factor at the almost the exposition
are the guys like Tykwon Thornton, the Jalen Ragers, the
Kaishawn Booties, and the Javon Baker. I mean, maybe those
four guys which have all shown flashes at times to

(01:02:32):
make some plays downfield, but as Paul said, not consistent.
And that to me is what you have to figure
out here over the last couple of weeks is what
are those four guys is going to give us the
best chance to at least have someone who's going to
make the defense think about vertical stuff, you know, stretch
the field a little bit. I don't know if the
answer is in those four guys. I think right now,
I'm like, let's give Thornton a look for a while,

(01:02:53):
and then you know, let's go to Baker.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
Well, I hope Taekwon does play a lot more tonight,
not just Drake May. I feel like I hope he
gets a lot of reps tonight too, because I think
that hopefully in the next two weeks you can see
more outside of practice, getting real game reps, so you
can see who those best four guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Yeah. So we'll have Dave Spiarro coming up in a
minute from Eagles dot Com as Paul gets ready to
step out and do his chin wag. Going back to
the emails, though, real quick from Diana and Kent. Diana
Kent from New Hampshire. Hi, everyone, I have always been
a fan of Stefan Gilmour. Join the club.

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
We all are.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I see he left the Vikings without a contract. Is
there a chance there's a role for him on the Patriots?
What do you think the odds are that he may
be resigned? I gotta be honest. I mean, after the
Judeon thing, I kind of feel like the same exactly.
I kind of feel like they're out on the old
guys and they'd rather give Austin and Wilson a chance.
And I going into camp, I would have said, it
makes all the sense in the world. That's the guy

(01:03:45):
you need. And but again that goes back to my
vision of the Patriots defense with Christian Barmore and Matthew
jude On kind of leading the way, which are no
longer there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Yeah, and I I mean, I'd love to see Gilmore
come back be great for Gonzales. Now I would wonder, like, now,
what sense does that make?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Like we're gonna we've.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Lost Barmore through no fault of bars, but we lost
bar Moore and now we traded Judaan, but let's bring
in another cornerback.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Yeah, but does that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Seem like it makes sense?

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
But on the other side of the street, is there
party that wonders that might be good for Christian Gonzalez
to have that kind of guy, with that kind of expectation.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
If if it were done for a reason, like you know,
more psychological reasons and in team building kind of thing,
I could I could Yeah, I could hear that argument.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, that could be good.

Speaker 8 (01:04:29):
Especially what do we know what's going on with Marcus Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
No, and that's you know, he's been out of practice
for a while now. He has been coming out in pads.
We haven't seen him do anything. But yeah, it's uh,
I guess we're just that we're waiting for him to
get healthy. And it's same with Marty Mapu, which you know,
feels like kind of where we've been the last couple
of years with these guys. Agreed, take one more calls.
We're getting ready to welcome Dave Spadaro. Hey Nate in Midland,
Hey Nate.

Speaker 18 (01:04:56):
All right, I uh, first time, long time guys, glad
to be calling in. I just had a couple of questions.
I wasn't here at the beginning of the show, so
I was just wondering what your guys thought were about
the Matthew dude on trade. And then I just wanted
to know who out of the people that aren't really
who are really you know, like for the May like

(01:05:20):
you guys are excited if you played today?

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Gotcha?

Speaker 11 (01:05:22):
And you know that.

Speaker 14 (01:05:23):
I'll take my question off one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Thank you, Thanks Nate, Jake May.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
I mean, can I say nobody you know after May
like I'm not I've seen everybody play like I'm not.

Speaker 21 (01:05:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
I want to see Drake May play some extended reps.

Speaker 20 (01:05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
That's the only thing, I mean, the only thing I'm
really interested in.

Speaker 7 (01:05:42):
Yeah, I want to see Drake May, Polk, Thornton, and
Baker play extended reps today.

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
I think seeing all those guys would be great.

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can find them at Eagles Insider at Dave Spadaro and
Dave just want to start off with the joint practice.
Always a lot of fun in the summer. I always
love getting to watch the joint practice. There's been a
lot of lamentations around here about the Patrio performance, but
from your Eagles perspective, you know what, what did you
think of that day.

Speaker 26 (01:09:03):
Proc well, well, first let me say the Patriots kudos. So
the Patriots were doing a great job. The presentation was awesome,
engaging the fans as you do, more than eleven thousand
fans there. I thought that was really cool, great energy,
and the practice itself is kind of what I expected.
I mean, the Eagles are a much more experienced in
place team. The defensive side of the football for the Eagles,
really I thought had a better day. To put it mildly,

(01:09:25):
at the line of scrimmage really didn't give Drake May
a chance. I think we were all curious to see
Drake as well as you and the Patriots fans. So
I thought the Eagles defense had a really good day,
and it was a good matchup with Eagles offense and
the Patriots defense. So, I mean, there were so many
things to watch. And one of the things that I
really watched a lot of because we don't see it
in preseason games, was the way that they are approaching kickoffs,

(01:09:46):
and both teams kind of for the first time that
I've seen in practice, experimented with some things and nobody
had an answer in the return game. And so it
kind of makes me think this is going to be
must see TV or coordinators, You're just gonna kick it
out of the end zone and take the penalty to
the thirty five yard line. And unless the NFL makes
it more punitive for touchbacks, you're just gonna see a

(01:10:08):
whole lot of touchbacks once again, because these kickers are
so precise that they really make returns very, very difficult.
But from an Eagle standpoint, it's exactly what I think
the team wanted and good work and they got it
out of the way. Two and a half hours of
good practice against a good team.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Ye's Mary, yeah, hool and you gotta let me. I
gotta ask you real quick. Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis,
I think I'm gonna kidnappe or both of those guys.
What are those two guys just mean to this defense
and what they do in the middle.

Speaker 26 (01:10:34):
Well, it's a really huge point of emphasis for the Eagles.
Fletcher Cox has retired. He was really good last year
and has been one of the best defensive tackles in
the game for many years. And so Davis, who's been
inconsistent for two years, and Carter, who showed flashes of
being a superstar last year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
They must be really really good.

Speaker 26 (01:10:51):
Now they're obviously ginormous guys, really talented. First round draft
picks a lot riding on them. In Milton Williams to
anchor the middle of the Eagles to defensive line with
a new defensive coordinator, you gotta be strong up the
middle with Vic Fangio, and those two give the Eagles a.

Speaker 8 (01:11:06):
Chance sticking with the defense.

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
Dave, one of the things you talked about how star
studded this team is. We've been talking about this a lot,
especially on the show today, wanting to learn more about
our rookies. What can you tell us about Quinnon Mitchell.
He's one guy that I had circled for those story practices.

Speaker 26 (01:11:20):
Yeah, he's been really good. He's been impressive. They've been
playing him in the nickel and they've been moving him outside.
His first preseason experience last week was a positive one.
He nearly had an interception. He's big, he's athletic. He
doesn't say a word off the field. On the field, he.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Just talks trash.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
So he brings a.

Speaker 26 (01:11:40):
Lot of confidence to the game and the Eagles. I think,
I mean he has a chance to make a contribution early,
which I was a little bit surprised if there's there's
a hole there opposite Darius Slay on the other starting side,
and they define, there's really no definition who who's going
to be the nickel And I think Quiyon has a
chance to be either of those players.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
And you know, I've been.

Speaker 26 (01:12:02):
Around long enough. You know, the Lego Shepherd, the last
first round pick, it's generally taken time to work their
way into the lineup. I think you has a chance
to play right away.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
I want to go to the other side of the
ball real quick and then I'll let it go back
to you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
That's where I was going to Tamarasa, you go.

Speaker 8 (01:12:16):
It's probably a similar question.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
It might be the same question, but the addition of
Saquon Barkley, what has that done for this Eagles offense?

Speaker 26 (01:12:24):
It's it's actually going to beyond the offense. So it's
really a I'll do this. I'm doing the sidelines tonight
and we're getting Saquon for an interview. It's a pinch
me moment. Like Eagles fans cannot believe that Saquon Barkley
is a member of this football team after playing against
him all those years while he was a giant as
a football player, totally energized this football team.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Look the Eagles last.

Speaker 26 (01:12:46):
Year ten and one collapsed down the stretch. Which way
do you go in the offseason? Do you rip it
all apart? How do you do it? They decided to
change the coordinators, keep the head coach, and then be
really aggressive in free agency. And when you're to bring
in somebody like Saquon it just added a jolt to
the entire team. He has power, he has receiving skills.

(01:13:10):
We saw that in the joint practice catching that wheel
route for the touchdown. The Eagles value him as one
of the very very best key in Christian McCaffrey at
the very top of the NFL list. And look last
year of the Eagles, I believe ranked first in the
league in running backs yards before contact, thirty first in
the league in yards by running backs after contact. DeAndre

(01:13:32):
Swift made the Pro Bowl, but he's just not a
tackle breaking guy. I think with the expectation with Saquan is,
given this really good offensive line, given the weapons outside,
you really can't stack the box against the Eagles, he
should be primed for a huge, huge season.

Speaker 13 (01:13:47):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:13:48):
So I'm again I'm pinching myself still not believing that
he is a Philadelphia Eagle.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Well, I would be pinching myself if I had Jalen
Hurts and AJ Brown and Devonte Smith. I mean we
were down at Philly a couple years ago for joint practices,
you know, kind of before that, we saw Hurts in
his early days. But just what have you seen from
the development of those three guys. It's just from my eyes,
it's a special connection what they have gone.

Speaker 26 (01:14:08):
Yeah, and you know, I can't remember back to the
old days in the early two thousands with Andy Reid,
when the Eagles had you know, Freddie Mitchell and Todd
Pinkston and James Thrash and then t O comes in
and all of a sudden, the Eagles are a super
Bowl team.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
And it provides a.

Speaker 26 (01:14:21):
Glimpse of the value of the wide receiver star wide
receiver power. So to have Aj and to have DeVante
and to have two great players like that not ever clash.
They're really great teammates, and they share the spotlight and
they share the football, and so that kind of helps
set the culture of the offense. And as talents with Jalen,

(01:14:42):
I mean, they can beat you any number of ways.
They compliment each other. So, well, AJ's the big physical brute,
who's gonna box you out, who's gonna go up and
snare it away from you, who's gonna beat you up.
DeVante is the the artist. He's just his body control
is remarkable. He's just a go to work, get better,
do all the extra things and make spectacular catches. And
so this is a dynamic passing offense and those two

(01:15:06):
have helped Jalen become one of the very best quarterbacks
in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Just a quick update for all of us that sounds
like the gates are going to open shortly and warm
ups are going to begin at about six pm, So
it may be a little bit backed up. But I'm
not sure if we're going to see any of the
guys you just talked about light tonight. Well, who are
you watching for?

Speaker 26 (01:15:22):
Well, I think I think the defense. I think the
Eagles will play some of their defensive starters. I think
they recognize that at all three levels, there are questions
about this football team, and there are new players, and
so I think that Vic Fangil wants to take a
look at the you know, the Zach Bonds and the
Devin Whites and Bryce Huffs, et cetera, and give them
a little bit of playing time Offensively. The big question

(01:15:44):
with this team is who's your starting right guard. That
has not been defined. So McKai Beckton last week played
eight snaps against the Ravens and then Tyler Steen played
a lot, so that hasn't really been clarified. So you
could see Becton and Steam, but otherwise, I after that
very very productive practice, I just don't believe that Jalen

(01:16:05):
and aj and DeVante with a wet field. I think
that's and you know, you look around the league and
you go, oh my gosh, JJ McCarthy's out for the season.
What are you gonna do here? Everybody wants to play
our starters, but no, so I would be surprised if
they played.

Speaker 7 (01:16:18):
Yeah, I agree, I mean especially I think somebody else
had joined practices and I want to say, like Addison
went out to well for Minnesota, So I think staying
on the precaution side all those guys is.

Speaker 26 (01:16:29):
Drake may gonna play well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
It sounds like it sounds like he's gonna It sounds
like gonna be According to reports, Brissett first quarter and
then second and into the third for Drake May.

Speaker 26 (01:16:37):
So the Patriots this season, the plan is Brissette starts
and May learns.

Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
It sounds like that's what the plan is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
I mean, there's obviously a lot of rumbling about just
six snaps last week, and you know, I mean, I
think people were hoping to see more of him, and
that's you know tonight. I think what especially coming off
the Matthew Matthew Jude on trade last night, I think
Patriot Nation could use a little less spark from Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:17:00):
It's you know, the one. The other takeaway from the
joint practice. Of course, the Eagles defensive line was really overwhelming.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Oh yeah, and so you know.

Speaker 26 (01:17:08):
At mobile quarterback, experienced quarterback, not a bad thing to
have back there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Well, I want to thank Dave Spidar for joining us day.
Thank you guys so much for having enjoy the game, Thanks.

Speaker 26 (01:17:15):
For having me.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Good luck to the Patriots the season.

Speaker 26 (01:17:17):
Let's have a good one tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I appreciate it. We're going to take a quick break.
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Well, there we go. Hey everybody, welcome back to the
Patriots pregame Show, fuel by Duncan. We've got Paul back
in studio. Paul, how'd your chin? Wang go? I was
really good. I'm sure you will tell you you nailed it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Yeah, we talked a little Jude on and then you know,
sort of talking about the joint practices on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
I was trying to accentuate the defense. They weren't really
having it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
I was trying to talk Dave Spadaran to let me
kidnap Jayen Carter, but no such, no such luck.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
So I got a chance to say hello, to Dave
when I was we were just crossing paths. I'm just
curious what he thought of you. I don't know if
you did you ask him about the joint practice.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
You thought about what, you know, what happened happened, And.

Speaker 7 (01:21:09):
He definitely talked about how their defensive line overwhelmed our offense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
So that, yeah, that's fact accurate. But yeah, I asked
him a little bit. You know when we saw Philly
a couple of years ago at joint practices, before Jalen
Hurts had you know these guys, and now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
It's kind of like before Jalen Hurts was Jayalen Hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Yeah, all of a sudden, It's funny how that happens.
Maybe maybe we should follow that that path forward.

Speaker 8 (01:21:33):
And on that path forward. The next year, they gave
him a bunch of help.

Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
They went out and sought help to help him, knowing
his strengths and weaknesses.

Speaker 8 (01:21:42):
And look where they are now.

Speaker 20 (01:21:43):
Just like C. J.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Stroud too. All right, let's head up to Maine, sticking
to New England. Hey, Jeff, what's going on up there?

Speaker 25 (01:21:50):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
How you doing good?

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
So I I was thinking after the duode On trade
Brett Coleman, who I know a lot of people really
respect in the industry. I remember on his Patriots season
preview he said, and I know this sounds like a
generic defense, but he basically said, even more than other teams,

(01:22:14):
the Patriots defense kind of operates with two independent units,
with the linebackers and the d line to basically have
a bunch of really really big guys and they only
focus on stopping the run. And in the back end,
you got a bunch of really fast guys and all
they focus on is stopping the past. And so I
guess I was wondering with JUDEA on going, you know,

(01:22:39):
obviously not being here anymore. Do you think that they
change the game plan or you know, or adjust how
they're going to approach their strategy or do you think
they kind of stick with what they do and just
plug in a different player. I'll take it off the air.

Speaker 8 (01:22:56):
I like this question.

Speaker 7 (01:22:57):
I feel like they're going to have to change they
do because ultimately those guys in the backfield are not
going to be able to get those takeaways unless they
can be disrupted above front. And John Jones has talked
about that a lot like it all starts with the
guys upfront, and without Judon and bar Moore being able
to disrupt the quarterback, then how can those guys in
the backfield get those takeaways?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
So I missed Like it's a Brett Coleman, who's a yeah,
an online guy. I mean, I would just say, from
my perspective, who, like, can I made a preview? I? Yeah,
I mean I think that was simplification, you know, kind
of over simplified view of the Patriots defense.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
That a guy who's been in the Patriots defense or something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
No, no, no, no, he's an analyst. He's an analyst,
and he.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Says the Patriots defense run the way that that was
just explained. Yeah, but so, and I haven't really heard
it explained. I mean, no, I'm not telling you what's
wrong because I'm listening. I'm the last guy that's going
all twenty two on you. I'm not telling you that
anything that Jeff just said is wrong. But I haven't
really heard the Patriots defense explain that way.

Speaker 9 (01:23:53):
No, and neither of I and you guys know me,
I love me some defense.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
And I would just say, although to that point is
that ju don't was the guy who can do both
and he I think played close to eighty percent of
the snaps, you know, when he was healthy. So he's
a guy that you don't really have to take on
and off the field. And like one of the things
another kind of flashback I've talked with Paul was, you
know when the Patriots defense kind of hit a lull nine, ten, eleven, twelve,

(01:24:18):
and so they went to a Super Bowl, but they
were pretty brutal on defense. You're not wrong, it was
because it was wholesale changes between all right, it's a rundown.
You eleven get out there, you know, and eleven of course,
but you know, you seven get out there.

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
I mean it's past you seven get out there, and.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
You know, eighteen nineteen guys play defense, and that's a
hard way to play. And I agree with you when
I think that's part. Like you know, we talk about
the sloppiness and you know, the timeouts they have to
get taken because they don't have the right personnel on
that's why yep, yeah, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:24:43):
I don't see a guy right now that can fill
the void of Judon all by himself.

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
I think it's going to be a hodgepotch of things
that they're going to have to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Change it's I would just say, like from Afar again.
You know, I listened to defensive backs talk about this
scheme a lot and talking about the synergy between the defenses,
the way that the specific defensive backs can play so
many different spots and they can be linebackers, you know,

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and there's names for them all.

Speaker 21 (01:25:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
It's like money and Mac and well Stars like the extra,
like the third defense, like the slot corner. But they
have names for all these things, and they're like they
have to work in concert with one another. This is why,
like I'm a little confused about the two separate units,
the guys up front that are only doing this and that,
like Bill Belichick has described it, almost exactly the opposite

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of that. Now, maybe they're doing a whole different thing
now Bill's gone. I don't know if you heard Bill.
Don't shine shoot He's gone. So maybe it's all different now.
But I've always heard about the synergy between the two
and how one I thought Samara said it perfectly like
Jonathan Jones talking about if we're going to take the
ball away, it's not just going to be because we're blanketing

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our guys. It's going to be because her past rush
is in content shirt with the secondary and whatnot. So
I don't know, maybe I maybe I listened to that
a little bit too simplistically and I took it literally,
But I'm not really sure I understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
I just think the Patriots defense has always been at
their best, and of course this is a different defense now,
but it's always been at their best when they don't
have to juggle personnel and they got guys that can
play all three downs and you know they can, I
mean really and this defenses have changed. But if you
go back to like six o seven, where they basically
play a three four defense or nickel and it was
either the mic linebacker comes off and a slot corner

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comes on and that was it. That was all the
rotation that they would kind of do. And now it's
certainly way different regardless of that. But that's just an
oversimplified view of it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
You know, like Jelanievai and Jawan Bentley are the two
guys that are you know, sort of on the field
more often than not lineback you know, for linebackers to
take you know, I think is part of the past defense.
I wouldn't say he's you know, Roquand Smith when it
comes to cover linebacker or anything like that. I think
Bentley is an effective blitzer in the past game tough,

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you know. I think he picks his spots well and
he tends to get home when he when he when
he comes up the middle. So I just I don't know,
Like I'm just thinking about this, I think you got
to put it down taking it too literal.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
I mean, honestly, my impression of the defense, and this
is always something I'd love to ask the coaches, is
that they mix a match and there's guys this this
guy's two gapping right now.

Speaker 9 (01:27:21):
But this guy's only one game, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
I mean within the scheme like Devon is exactly what
that guy's talking about. He's out there on early downs
for one reason and one reason only, and that's to
make sure that nobody runs the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
And it goes back to what he does, and it
goes back to that original three four, which did the
philosophy of that was the three big fat He's up
front eat all the blocks and the four linebackers make
all the plays. And it's the beauty of that though
was Richard Seymour was one of those guys, and he
played all all three downs. Can you imagine him.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Vince will Fork a lot of times played all three downs.
I mean that's like hy Warren played all three downs. Now,
they weren't None of those guys were great pass rushers,
you know when they came off the field. Certainly Jarvis
Green was a situational Russia. You know, he would come in.
But those other guys, you know, Seymour especially now there's
a reason why he's in the Hall of Fay.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
I mean, Jalen Carter, I mean that gives me, that
gives me a little seymore vibes after watching Jalen Carter
last week, Let's head up to Ontario. What's up Dustin?

Speaker 21 (01:28:17):
Hey, folks, what's going on. How's everyone doing?

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Him doing great? I think the rain stops, so I
think we're gonna be on time.

Speaker 21 (01:28:23):
That's good, awesome, good stuff. Now I can't really hear
you as all too well. So anyway, I've just got
a quick question. I'm probably gonna take it off the
air after that. Along with that quick observation too. So
going back to last year, it was mostly you know,
the offense finding ways unfortunately to beat themselves, varying from

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a lot of things from you know, turnovers, to bad penalties,
to just plays that just broke down entirely. So I
guess my question is, in regards to that, looking back
to year, is there an increased emphasies emphasis on like
coaching or to prevent like offside penalties and like just

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needless penalties at the worst possible times on the offense,
like penalties. In regards to that, I think it's a
good nature.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
I think it's a good question for simple questions, it's
a good one. I would like to think that the
coaches are emphasizing it. But you know, Tamara brought this
up during the live broadcast on Tuesday. It's it's a
problem that happened last year too, and it really happened
the year before so and I've always sort of pushed
back against this, like it's so easy to say, well,

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the teams that commit the least amount of penalties in
the well coached teams and the ones that are heavily
penalized are poorly coached. Well, what happens when the same
guy is the coach for both of those things, And
that happened like over the span the last ten years
with Belichick. We know he's a great coach, We know,

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we understands how to put together a team that used
to be very lightly penalized, and all of a sudden lately,
you know, you saw false starts, delay of games, and
all kinds of sloppy penalties.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
To me, it's about the players.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
The players have.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
To fix this. That's one of my biggest disappointment.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Ard Mayo's making them run. Yeah, you know, the defense
got caught twice with ten guys in the field on Monday, right,
the whole defense ran, So it's not like it's not
being addressed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Yeah, it's like how many laps can you run?

Speaker 7 (01:30:31):
And I think it's interesting because you always heard Bill
Belichick preach about the fundamentals and how important it was
to be technically sound, and you know, you get tired
of hearing that as a reporter when he answers that
to everything fall security, being fundamental, technically sound, not beating yourself.
But here we are again this season picking up those
same bad habits.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
So I'm not sure how you fix it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Well, I mean to be honest, I don't remember it
being I remember it being bad in the games. I
don't really remember it being this sloppy and practice last year,
and that you know, but overall, that's one of my
biggest just surprising disappointments of how things kind of ended
here for Bill were that I always thought that at
the very least, you might not have the most talent,
but he's gonna have a team that isn't going to

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beat itself. And you know, this team, as much as
they lack talent, they were beating themselves plenty of times,
and that made it, you know, and then you get
games where you lose six nothing and you know, all
the sloppiness. We don't need to relive all that now.

Speaker 7 (01:31:23):
But do you think it's a discipline situation where you
have to discipline more when those if it becomes too
familiar making these mistakes and beating yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:31:32):
It's got a discipline.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
It's got to be so hard as a coach, because
how many times can you make them run? You know,
and it's like, all right, it's seven laps, gonna make
it happen.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
It's just it's at a certain point that becomes who
you are. It's not just a you know, it's it's
not just a mistake that sums up that's who you
are now becomes who you are. Yeah, So hopefully that's not.
It all starts tonight and then it'll be a little wet,
so it'll be challenging too with some of the balls.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
So I don't know what the rain has to do
with understanding.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
With the snap count. Yeah, that's fair enough. See what
Jonathan has to say down in Florida. Hey Jonathan, come on, Jonathan,
don't run my streak. There you are? What's up? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Good, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
Nice, good to have you.

Speaker 22 (01:32:21):
Okay, I got two questions.

Speaker 12 (01:32:22):
How do you guys see Prett coming from the ajury
and we train ding him to the A line of
five and what we can do to being for and
letts tackle with that draft that we got for the
third rounds?

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Gotcha? Thanks Jonathan, appreciate it. Call back again.

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:32:41):
I think Christian Consulates has had a very silent camp.
I think a lot of people have been really harped
down on him in one on ones and not making
the big plays I guess that they expected him to
make in practice. But the coaches don't seem to be
worried about the camp that he's had so far, and
so I'm kind of just waiting and maybe we'll see
a lot of reps from him tonight, But I feel

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like he's more of a guy that shows up during
games and not so much making those big, flashy plays
at practice.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
I hope, So, I hope. So, I mean, I went
back and reviewed some of my my just little practice
notes from last year and especially in Green Bay up
and down for him, I'm not sure. And I mean,
I think this is one of those things where there's
no question the guy is supremely talented athletically and that
will make up for a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:33:24):
But I think what is little jarring?

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Like you said to Mary, he's been you know, one
on ones I don't really care about, but not you know,
I think I said it like a few days in
a camp when it was kind of a slow star
and likes everything going. I just I want to see
him get his hands on some balls, you know, And
I think he's I've seen him maybe get his him
once on the ball. So I'm still holding out hope
that he's gonna get into the regular season and we're
going to actually have a game plan and he's gonna
fit perfectly into that and his athleticism will make up

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for any mistakes. But I think, Paul, what's lacking for
some of us. Is that edge and that like number
one corner swag that you just don't really you haven't
really seen at Christian Gonzalez in practice. He's kind of
a quiet kid. And you know, there's there's more than
one way. There's like there's more than one way to
coach a team, there's more than one way to play
cornerback in the NFL. But I just think when you're
giving up a lot of catches and you look kind
of smooth, and you know he's he's kind of reserved,

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it's you know, it's easy to.

Speaker 9 (01:34:10):
Kind of say, is he trying? Is he does he care?

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
You know, like those are the questions that kind of
pop up. So we'll see. I don't know, it's one
of the great questions of camp. If this is going
to carry over.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
I mean, I don't know the answer, But I don't
think he's had a great camp.

Speaker 12 (01:34:21):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
I'm not like terribly concerned about it. I I just
would say that I felt like he had a better
camp last year than he has this year. Yeah, that's all.
And I think you guys used examples that I would
absolutely agree with, you know, about the catches that he's
allowed and kind of the nonchalant way it's looked at
times he's so gifted that maybe he is playing hard.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
He just makes it look so easy and he does.
He's so fluid, and that's what they tell us. But
we'll see what. Yeah, I just want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
I just want to see something complete passes when he's involved.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Yeah, right, you know I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Thought AJ Brown, Oh yeah, and AJ Brown's a really,
really good player. There's no shame in that. But I
thought AJ Brown caught the ball when he was lined
up with Gonzalez, and Brown was very complimentary Gonzalez.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
After that practice. He was He went up to him
afterwards that he was asked about him and then caught
him as he was walking off, and you know they
had a little moment talking together. It looked like he
was given, you know, Christien some encouragement. So, I mean
we talked. You said a lot of people I was lying.
But I think when we talk about losing bar More
and losing Jude On, you know, Paul's had some great

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points about Gonzalez is in that group because you know,
he's not a front guy. He's don't at the win
one on one. But like when you're looking at losing
two of your most talented guys on defense, it just
puts a bigger focus on this second year corner that
you're hoping. We've talked a lot about their offensive rookies
on that young guys on the offensive side of the ball.
He's one of the pieces that you're hoping blossoms this
year and becomes a guy. And you know, I don't

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really know what to expect. I know, Paul, we talked
a lot about him of you know, is he a
shutdown corner I like, I'm kind of refusing to allow
myself to like think that in those terms. I need
him to be really good. But there's no question and
the defense is going to be good this year. He's
got to be good. It's all got to start with Christians.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
Oh yeah, they're not going to have a really good
defense if he's not really good. Like I just you,
your best cornerback has to be good if you're going
to have a good defense.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Let's jump back over to the emails here, calling from
Houston writes in city stunk last year? But who how
do you guys feel about Donovan Smith? Anything there?

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
City stunk last year? Donovan Smith? Yeah, I mean I
think people just are dying for a reclamation project. And listen,
I'm not anti bringing one of these guys in and
hoping you get lightning in a bottle, but just recognize
it for what it is. It's a it's it's a
lottery ticket. You know, if bak Tiari or Charles Leno,

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Donovan Smith, these guys are available for a reason, you know,
on August fifteenth.

Speaker 9 (01:36:49):
And tackles the need across the league.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I mean, I know the Patriots are desperate, but I
think everybody needs tackles. It just shows like last year
when they had to go out and it was like
panic mode. But they get low and they're low Iron Wheatley,
you know, and I mean they low played a little bit.
We need weekly He's on IR again. So that one
didn't work out, Wilson writes in, just writing in to

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say Pep and the Deuce are doing great today. What
about tomaraw too? Come on, don't forget about our girl Tamara.

Speaker 9 (01:37:16):
She's doing great.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
She's not even able to do what she's supposed to
be doing right now because of the weather.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Now she's helping us. I miss Hardy, but it's nice
not having drop calls. I agree, I mean, I don't
know what the problem is. You just pressed the button.

Speaker 8 (01:37:27):
Miss Hardy's puns. You gotta be you gotta be more punny, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
I missed the Jaws talk, but I don't miss anything
else about Hardy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Sorry, we get our real host in. We're gonna talk Jaws.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
I promise I didn't read the electronic mail.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
I'm so serious when I when I have to host.

Speaker 9 (01:37:41):
Thank you, Matt a little tit.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
So this is what happens over under one hundred and
eighty yards on offense tonight for the Pats. That's that's
sad Wilson. Come on, Oh, I'm gonna have to say
overrun now, don't worry. We do have over unders coming
up shortly here as we round the last twenty three minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
But was that total offense was one hundred? I'm going
to add that five things down.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
All right, We're going to six and Jack and ann
Arbor sends us a picture of Dunkin Donuts there in
ann Arbor. So yeah, Duncan. We're fueled by Duncan, and
so is ann Arbor. Here we go another one from
Aaron and Port Jervis, New York. How can we get
Paul to be the star of the Pepsi commercial where
the fan take fifteen seconds to finish the pepsi. I
picture Paul down in a two liter in fifteen seconds

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every time I see that commercial. Are you familiar with
that commercial?

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Paul, No, I get too gassy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
I can't. I can't do that and I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Yeah, I do like I do, like my diet pepsi.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Though, thank you very much. You gotta get him another
one in here? No I had.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
That's that's two for the show. So that's my limit too.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
I thought we'd get this question, though, which is from
Ray looking for a Jewdn't replacement. What do you think
of Hassan Reddick go to the Jets. He's disgruntled down there.
Not a jew don guy. Oh question question? Yes, yes, sir.
So they didn't want.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
To pay Judo.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
I'm gonna pay him.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
Reddick is already on his second team that won't pay him.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
He wants to get paid Paul. Okay, he's not gonna come.
That's all right. There's now there's not there. Just like
there are not any elite tackles out there on the
open market, there are no elite pass rushers out there.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
He's gonna be thirty. Like there's really not that much
of a difference there, no more. Yeah, I mean, I
get what he's saying. Like to me, Reddick is I
don't think he's as good as Jude on different player,
but he's a good player. I like him and I
would absolutely take him. But then you have to pay him,

(01:39:38):
like I don't want to take him, and then say, well, jeez,
he won't play like he's no, he's not going to
play on his contract. He's clearly telling everybody he needs
more money. And I know this, like you know, we
haven't talked about this Mike Bote, the whole Jude onto
Atlanta thing, and he did it without a contract, and
people are like, oh, this is embarrassing. He'll play for
the Falcons for that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
He's not going to play for that contract.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
He's not going to. He's just trusting the Falcons are
going to get something worked out with him. There's gonna
be some kind of adjustment. I have to believe. Now,
maybe I'll be wrong, but I have to believe there'll
be an adjustment on that contract.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
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thoughts on if Bill, if GM, Bill still haunting us
with all the holes he never filled. Can't be blaming
the current staff for the GM actions.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
I mean, like, I just that's true to an extent.
But yes, I do blame Bill for a lot of
the holes. And Mike, I'm going to leave the floor
to you to talk about the drafts over the last
ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Well that wasn't the direction I was going to take immediately.
But you know, I just I get I get I
get annoyed by people who are like, oh, we're resigning
all the Bill's players. It wasn't an oh for everything,
you know, I mean, there were certainly some good players
in there. I mean, we can I mean, I think
we agree on some of the nuances of some of
those resignings. But you know, overall, it wasn't like we
gotta let every single person that Bill ever brought in

(01:41:06):
and get out of this building immediately. Never said that, No,
I know, but that's that's my extreme take when I
go to andy mode.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Wo yeah, and I agree with you, but like, there
are holes on the roster that were created by Bill
Belichick and I However, they had a boatload of resources
to fill some of those holes, and I don't think
they filled any of them except for potentially quarterback with
the third overall pick.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
And the thing that's troubling to me, Paul is we've
been doing I've been doing this with you. I've been
honored to do this with you for five years. It's like,
how much conversation, way to put it, can we put
into drafting offensive line? Like you know? And I mean,
and I know we did it about receivers a little
bit and they kind of gave us what we wanted.

Speaker 9 (01:41:43):
But it's like it's just been such a concern, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Mean, you were always on there, like I'll admit, I'm
the guy like, hey, we got Trent Brown back, all right,
He's okay, you know, and you're always like, man.

Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
I'm telling you, like, this is not gonna be reliable.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
Can't be in a position where you're relying on guys
like that, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
And so you see some of these guys like Will Campbell,
who you know, everybody's like, oh my god, you know,
big tackle, kind of like you know the guy coming
out of Notre Dame was last year, Joe All. It's like, man,
you remember those days where you just said we got
a left tackle and it felt like the majority of
the time, and then all of a sudden, Isaiah Winn
came in and all of a sudden, we just began
this merry go round of guys that were trying to

(01:42:19):
get in it. And you know, we kind of go
back and forth to Paul with joking about how important
is the offensive line?

Speaker 9 (01:42:24):
Do run your own timeline?

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
But it also yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Can't have nothing, Like yeah, I do. I totally understand
that I can sound hypocritical if you take me super literally. Yeah, Like,
I don't think you have to have the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Who else.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
Philadelphia has got a pretty good offensive line, although there's
they've got some questions in the middle now without Jason Kelsey.
I don't think you have to have one of the
best offensive lines in football to be a successful football team.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
I think you could be.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
I think the Niners have a terrible offensive line with
one great player at the left tackle at left tackle.
I think that you can get by with an average
at best offensive line if you have a quarterback who
understands that the way Brady did for years and years.
You can't just have nothing at the offensive line. And

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I think right now, I don't want to say nothing,
I don't want to be that disrespectful, but this struggling
to find the pieces, David Andrews is the only guy
right now that I feel really good about. I want
to feel really good about Michael when you but I
don't like the way he's played. Yeah, you know, and
I hear a lot like let's move on you to tackle,
and they might have to do it. But I don't
think he's played guard all that great right now. And

(01:43:37):
I don't think he's a great tackle, Like I think
he's a whatever you want to say, maybe like an
eight out of ten at guard. I think he's kind
of middle of the road five at tackle me too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I mean that's even when he was playing there, what
like the first practice I don't even remember now, but
I mean briefly brief stay at right tackle. I just
think he's the best inside, especially with you know, the
scheme getting out wide zone, you know all that Evan stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
Yeah, pen and pull, pin and pull.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
Digging out the three technique. I look forward to Devn
telling me upstairs what I what I was wrong about?

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Mike. I was listening to the show. You're really you
use that all?

Speaker 8 (01:44:13):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Paul, I want to take you down a little uh
before we get into the openers, a little historical. I
just see this are the hall presented by RTX. Just
tweeted this out on this day in nineteen seventy one,
seven Patriot their debut at Shafer Stum. Genial Capelletti kicked
a thirty six yard field goal for the stadium's first
points scored in the stadium. The Patriots beat the Giants

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twenty to fourteen before sixty thousand, four hundred and twenty
three fans. About how many were at the joint practice,
I would say some of them even got home that night.
It was a legendary traffic. Cham When was your first
game Paul at the old stadium seventy six? Yeah, I
was fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
I was eight and it was a Monday night game
against the Jets forty one to seven Patriots win. My
brother and I used to switch back and forth like whenever,
like someone got tickets to a game. It was Rich's
turn to go, it was Paul's turn to go. Well,
it was Rich's turn to go that night, but he
had football practice and they wouldn't let him skip football
practice to go to the game. So eight year old

(01:45:12):
Paul went to a Monday night game and learned some
new words, saw some different things. A bunch of guys
handcuffed to the fence in the back terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
It was an experience. It with my father, my grandfather,
and my uncle. It was a lot of fun. And
I got to see Joe Namath in the twilight of
his career.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:45:28):
He was pretty bad that night.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
You see a lot of games there over the years.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
I wouldn't say a lot there was toward the end.
I was a season ticket holder in ninety four. I
gave them up in ninety five, got him back in
ninety six, So I mean I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Saw like those years.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
But I would say before ninety four, before Parcels got here,
I probably saw a fewer than five games. Yeah, Like
I just I watched the games on you know, it's
a long ride, you know. I watched the games on TV,
mostly because some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Were black blacked out right. I still I still remember
it clear as day. And I mean, I know, the
old stadium, you know, it was kind of become a
punchline at a certain point. But for me as a
young kid, I just distinctly remember we parked across the street,
kind of almost across from like where Bass Pro is now,
and you know, you walk up that hill and the
old stadium closer closer to the highway back then, and

(01:46:24):
it just looked like a like a kingdom on the hill,
like you know, on a castle on the hill kind
of thing. Where I was just the impression it made
on me overwhelming how cool this is. And you know,
just I think I was so used to going to
like Bruins games at the Garden or even at Femway,
where you kind of get into the stadium, you don't
really have a sense outside of what a what a
scene it is, and walking up to the stadium off

(01:46:45):
of Root Wan, it just felt like such a scene,
such a happening. There's buses, there's people pouring into the stadium,
and but then to your point, you get into the stadium,
I'm looking out on the cage out there and there
are guys handcuffed. I remember seeing a fight being like, yeah,
I'm terrified. But it was a terrible place. But it
was our place, and it was you know, special, and.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
It was up top of a stadium. But there really
were no bad like, there were really good sight lines
in that place. They really are no bad seats. I mean,
the physical seats were terrible. They were metal pinches, as
Robert likes to say it all the time. And there's
the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
There we go. So we're getting a live look now
at the warm ups.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
Here on the pictures, rain is gone and Rain is gone,
and there's a Jakobe Brissett and Drake may Or in
full warm up mode, and is mister Tory in the background.
That's my buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
He's my buddy's kid. And David Andrews and Nick Leverett wondering,
you know, if there's gonna be any mix up tonight
along the offensive line. A couple of questions that have
come in about that. I'm not anticipating that. I feel
like it's probably gonna be the same kind of crew,
but but maybe that's a good thing. Is Bradley Emos
down there working hard getting some good shots, were hardly working,

(01:47:54):
but who knows. Maybe if it's a chance for Caden
Wallace to make some straw it's playing with Drake may
it could be a good thing. We'll see again. We're expecting,
according to reports, Jacoby Brissett to start, Drake made to
come in and play a quarter plus around the second quarter,
and then some Joe Milton at the end. Everyone loves that.

Speaker 9 (01:48:09):
That'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
Grabbing some last emails here right before we do the
over unders, this one coming from Colin and Seattle. First
and foremost, thank you guys for consistently putting out the
best Patriots content year after year, as opposed to what
certain radio programs that run two to six those are
Paul shows. Be nice.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
I'm gonna be on those shows a lot in the
next couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Supposed to be yesterday and they were looking for it
cost myself. The whole show fell apart. It was unlistenable
without Perillo. But I haven't heard his name much throughout
training camp. Curious if you all had seen anything of
note from Marcello's dial and if he can be anything
more than depth this year and beyond thanks again this year.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
I would say, no, he's not going to be more
than depth, but he has flashed a little bit. To me,
I think he's kind of tailed off a little bit lately,
and you know, maybe not coincidentally, as there's been no
Marcus Jones, no Jona Jones, no Sean Wade, more reps,
more chances to get beat and I think that you
know that that's probably happened a little bit with him

(01:49:07):
and Alex Austen as easy hearn. You know, those guys
have been out there a lot and I think they've
given up some catches as a result. But I think
he's got some length to him and some competitive and
he's feisty. Yeah, he's feisty. I think that he has
a chance to stick as a special teamer, but I
wouldn't expect him to be a contributor in the in
the secondary.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Yeah, I mean, do you know, I totally don't.

Speaker 9 (01:49:29):
I totally agree. I mean, I it seems really like
right now they're taking a.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Close look at Alex Austen and Marco Marco wils Marco
Wilson or the other two that that seemed to get
you know, Jonathan Jones not practicing. They're the one opposite
of Gonzales and it's and it's really been Isaiah Boulden
in the slot, which is another kind of you know,
interesting twist. He was there in the spring. We asked
Mayo about it. Not really the body type of a
slot guy, and Mayo even said, you know, he's he's

(01:49:55):
really more of an outside guy. But it just seems
like right now they're you know, scrambling a little bit,
trying to figure out how how it will all come together.

Speaker 9 (01:50:02):
And you get a look right now though, Charles Turner,
I want.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
To talk about this a little bit, Mike, because you
know our shots, you know, showing the centers, the various
centers working with Liam Flornidell.

Speaker 9 (01:50:13):
Another who was taking some snaps saw some stuff from him.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
So I.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
Think it's a sneaky need. Like Jake Andrews went on
ir he started, he opened camp on pup and whatever happened,
he wasn't able to physically be ready. He's out. David
Andrews is the is the rock in the middle of
that offensive line. They don't really have a backup center.
I think it's a sneaky need.

Speaker 13 (01:50:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Nick Leverett has been the guy from my sort of
uneducated look. He's fine, but I don't necessarily think everybody
else feels that way. Antonio Maffi. We had a caller
earlier talked about how erratic he's been with his snaps.
That is absolutely true. I don't think he's a guy
you would feel comfortable with if you had to play

(01:50:56):
in a game with him. You know, you just mentioned
Charles Turner, Louke forrn Adell. They're looking for a guy
who might be able to give them something at as
a backup center. We haven't seen Michael Jordan anywhere but guard.
So yeah, because I think and I bring up Jordan
because I think he's a candidate to make the team. Yep.
So they're going to have to find somebody of that

(01:51:17):
group that they feel comfortable as a center. Charles turn
probably Levery, it's probably gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Be LeVert, probably experienced veteran there, LeVert from down in Tampa.
But Charles Turner, you know, was center at LSU, highly
praised by his coach. Undrafted guy. But another undrafted guy.
I just want to mention, Hi, Paul. We've talked about
him a couple of times. I feel like he's one
we were on early as Terrell Jennings. You know, I
just I'm proud of catching him because I you know,

(01:51:42):
it's you see little glimpse. I mean, he's got to be,
what the fourth running back on the roster, not getting
a lot of reps. But you know, there were just
little flashes over you know, previous weeks that I don't know,
we catches smooth and and then we saw him in
the game, have some have some nice runs. Haven't really
seen him get expanded attention in the three practice you know,
two yeah, three practices we've seen since that game. But

(01:52:02):
he's one undrafted rookie that I continue just to keep
an eye on to. Michael Hasty a little bit shifty,
has like a little of that not deale Lewis s,
but you know, just has some of that that ability
to make guys miss. He's a little bit different. But
after Stevenson and Gibson, it seems like there's there's some
options there.

Speaker 9 (01:52:19):
Or potential for you know, some of these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Deshaun Fenwick just brought back another undrafted rookie who was
here and gone and back.

Speaker 9 (01:52:25):
So they continue to juggle.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
But I think that's a spot where like cornerback, Yeah,
we get who the top guys are, but but who's
going to be after that and if there are injuries,
who's going to be able to step up with here?

Speaker 9 (01:52:34):
How important the run game is to this offense.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
I don't know. I'm just I'm interested again to see
Terrell Jenning, see if he gets any expanded opportunities tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
Yeah, and it's you know, Fornadell is a guy that
I think is starting to get those snaps. And I'm
seeing on Twitter, you know, back to that backup center
talk and people haven't seen Mafia, and I think that
makes some sense because I just think that he has
struggled too much with the act the execution of the snap.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
And it's like one of those things, Paul. You see
him out early at practice, like working on it, like
everyone is aware that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
So every day it's Michael Jordan and City. So the
fir and the third one almost always is a Tony
o'maffi straight to and he goes straight over to work
on snapping the ball. But it just hasn't come for him.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
And uh, there's another guy, I think Kevin Harris there
another guy who's in the mix. Probably get a lot
of carries tonight. But let's take a quick not a break,
but how about a quick over unders.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
Oh, it's time for this week's edition of over unders. Yes,
it is all right, Drake may drive started four and
a hey, oh wait.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Do you want the Yeah, these are meaningless records because
they are meaning but we will read them. I guess
at their accoly meetings. For the guy who's in the
last place, Mike four and two, Paul five men long,
respectable hammn's I prefer call it second, Paul, Thank you
very much, Future host zero zero future hosts not submitting picks.
All right, so four and a half drives? What do

(01:54:09):
you think that, Mikey? I think I've ever called you
mics over. They called me that on my old job,
and I didn't care for it. I'm gonna go over
power positive thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
See now I have an interesting way of looking at that.
I'm gonna take the over as well. You call it
the power of positive thinking. It's like four drives of
three plays.

Speaker 18 (01:54:27):
And now.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
If this goes over, If this goes over four and
a half drives, that means he didn't that the offense
didn't play.

Speaker 7 (01:54:35):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
What if it's like four What if it's five drives
a ten plays, eighty yards.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
And that's gonna take three quarters like I don't think
he's gonna play long, you know what I'm saying. If
he comes in the game of the second quarter, he's
out sometime in the third, and he plays more than
he plays five series, that means they didn't do much
in those six dang it. But I'm gonna take I'm
gonna take the over.

Speaker 9 (01:54:54):
He's only gonna play one play one hundred yard bomb.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
IM a little worried about that offensive mine he's gonna
be with, So I'm gonna take the over.

Speaker 6 (01:54:59):
All right, Joe Milton completions three and a half?

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Oh yeah, all day. I'm going over.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
If he comes in the game in the third quarter,
I'm gonna take the over.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Yes, let Joe.

Speaker 6 (01:55:10):
Cook kaisham boute receiving yards thirty two and a Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
I'm gonna take the under on this one. Interesting, I'm
gonna take the under on this one. I think some
of the I think it looks like they have a
full compliment tonight, don't you think.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
I think so?

Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
It's hard to pick the guy's Taekwon Thornton.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
I might.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
I might go Taekwon on this one, but I'm gonna
go under with Paul. I don't care to make it interesting.
Oh I love this next one.

Speaker 6 (01:55:33):
Terrell Jennings rushing yards twenty six and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
I'm over. I'm over breakout night, Terrell Jennings.

Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
Maybe I'm gonna want to play a game I'm gonna take.
I'm gonna take the under.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
I'm probably smart, I think. Yeah, get some some blood,
a little fun.

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
Philadelphia Eagles touchdowns one and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Oh interesting, I'm not gonna take the over on now. Well,
if I'm gonna go based on joint practices, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:55:56):
With the other.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
Now that's a tough one because you don't know who's
gonna play.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
It's buddy, give you a did He thought some of
the defensive starters would play offensive, maybe not so much so.
They're still trying to figure some things out on defense.
He said it might be.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Hard pressed to score them because I think the Patriots.
Sounds like the Patriot starters are going.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
To play the court first quarter. They're going to get
after it too.

Speaker 4 (01:56:14):
Okay, all right, yeah, Now I just threw this last
one in here just so we had six Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had six.

Speaker 6 (01:56:20):
I just I had the total. I just didn't type
it out on the sheet. So you go ahead, Paul
with your number.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
Well, what did you have?

Speaker 6 (01:56:25):
Twenty seven and a half for total?

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
For what total?

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
The total for the game. Okay, let's go with that
over under, let's go with that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
The over runder is twenty seven and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Oh man, this is this preseason games. I'm gonna go
in there. I don't know if that jives with I'll tick,
I'll take the over.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
Yeah, take your We got a couple we gotta get
some We'll get some points tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
We got a couple of points of conflict here is
see the Patriots defensive line. Juwan Bentley been a little
bit banged up recent practices. You know, Justin Hill is
another guy that in the mix.

Speaker 4 (01:56:57):
I liked him for a while in camp, but always
kind of disappeared.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Yeah. I kind of went specifically back and looked a
little bit at him. And he's just getting up field fast,
and I think maybe it's almost he's realizing what they've
lost in Barmore, and it's trying to say, hey, you know,
we brought in Mike Purcell. You've got god. I mean,
you've got the space heaters in front. I think what
you need is a guy who's just gonna get in
the backfield with his hair on fire. And you know

(01:57:21):
he was a guy with some pedigree, so we'll see
I mean between him, I mean, you've even see Sam
Roberts there, another guy who big, strong kind of guy,
a lot of jobs to be one. I mean, I
think that's that's the interesting thing about tonight. You know,
it's not always great football when you get down towards
the end, but a lot of guys who need jobs
and a lot of guys who'll be will be fighting.

(01:57:42):
That That guy Michael Jordan right there, another one I thought,
you know, he's a pro. I mean, I think he's
he's shown some some something. I mean, I wish we
were seeing these glimmers of hope that we've seen with
the backup guards more with the backup tackles. You know,
you haven't really seen any of that with those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:57:57):
Oh, I think that's a good point. You know, we
haven't seen you know, we really haven't seen the mixing
and matching that people were talking about on the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
No, it's been pretty consistent.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
Like they opened and then they were changing, you know,
they were changing tackles for the first day. You know,
before they got pads. Once they kind of got into pads,
it's been the same five guys when they've been available. Yeah,
like a Corps fours miss time, David Andrews missed a
couple of days, but when they've all been available, it's
been this, you know again low so Andrews ou yeah,

(01:58:29):
and a core four.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Over a little uh, just a little preview. What's coming
up this week, Paul. We got the media schedule, and
it does sound like we're going to get a look
at a practice Saturday, Sunday full session. It looks like
on Sunday Monday, and then it seems like next week
with a Sunday game, we're gonna kind of get into
a regular.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Season Tuesday off day and then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and
then that will be all yeah for your media, but
we we will get a chance to watch practice. It's
not going to be the same coverage. We're going to
tell you that right off front. You know, the pub
big portion of practice is over, so you know you're
not going to get the training camp podcasts and all
the you know, the the bells and whistles that we

(01:59:08):
gave you every day of actual training camp. But we
will still get a chance to watch these practices, and
you know you listen to our Patriots Unfiltered shows on
Tuesdays and Thursdays. We'll give you a sort of an
update as to what we what we see in some
of the trends that we'll be following.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
Alright, we gotta wrap Ryan and Alibay, can't I care?
Ryan and Alabama? Real quick? Matt, all right, you got
to do a quick though. Lightning round Ryan, Alabama, lightning round?

Speaker 7 (01:59:32):
Go?

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:59:35):
Go?

Speaker 10 (01:59:37):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:59:38):
Thinking about the jude On situation, as unfortunate as it is,
I was wondering y'all thoughts on maybe trying to get
us on ready from the jet.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
All right, thanks, Ryan, we did. We talked about that
just a moment ago, and uh no, no, we don't
want to pay him.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
Like I just don't know why you wouldn't pay jude On,
but you would pay Reddick, you know, for like this
two years that big of a difference, Like I don't
I don't know if you already have a guy in
your system that's worth two years to me?

Speaker 20 (02:00:01):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
Right, all right, Well that's going to do it for
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