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Speaker 6 (00:43):
Good afternoon, and welcome to week four. Here inside your
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Paul Perillo, Mike do So, Tamara Brown here to break
it down, analyze as we get ready for the Patriots
playing out west in Is it Santa Clara, San Jose?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I think it's Santa Claus, Santa Claus, right.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
Yeah, in Santa Clair where industry in the weather is
a nice seventy five degrees, no precipitation expected today, beautiful,
So it's all. The deck is ready to go for
the Patriots as they try to bounce back after they
loss against the Jets and against a formidable foe who's
coming off two losses themselves at home. I don't think

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that Levi Stadium is exactly mile high stadium from a
crowd standpoint, but I think the Niners.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Are going to be ready to play, you would think so.
I mean, that's what you got to expect for. It's
pretty much at full strength other than you know, McCaffrey,
who's obviously on IR So no break with Debo or Kittle.
Maybe they're limited a little bit, but the Patriots should
expect to get the full strength of an angry forty
nine ers team that's lost two in a row and
wants to get back on track on home.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, I would agree with Mike. You know, they look
like the Niners being they obviously you know, at least
starting to get some guys back. They lose hard Grave
for the year. That's a huge blow for them in
the middle, terrific player, and specifically, you know, if you
look back at what the Patriots problems were against the Jets,
it was up front, it was in the middle, you know,
with Quinn Williams. So that is a significant loss. But

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it looks like Kittle is back and it looks like
they're going to get Deebo Samuel back too. Like Mike said,
some of those guys coming back makes the task a
little bit more difficult.

Speaker 7 (02:21):
Yeah, And I was going to say, even if you
know Deebo is limited, considering this would be his first
game back. I really like Juwan Jennings and what he
brings to the table. Watching them last week versus the Rams.
He was a guy who I wasn't really familiar with
and so was watching him play. He's very strong, very fast,
hard to take down, and especially with the Patriots coming
off a game where they missed fourteen missed tackles, He's

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a guy I would be scared or worried about going
into this one.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
And so we're coming up in about forty five minutes
till the inactive lists come out to Mare. I know
you'll be all over that, but I think there's a
couple of key names to watch as we're talking about
the Patriots defense. Jonathan Jones and Anthroty Jennings jump off
the list to me, and let's see what their status is,
because I think both those guys would be more than
useful in trying to slow down in the forty nine
er attack.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
Absolutely, I think you know I initially think of Jonathan Jones,
especially because they've been trying to manage him and putting
in Marco Wilson and Alex Austin, who Alex Austin is
now on IR. And so if Jonathan Jones isn't at
full strength and you have to rely on Marco Wilson,
that doesn't make me feel too great. And so I'm
hoping that, you know, Jonathan Jones is able to go
today and they don't have to rely on a guy

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like Wilson.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, Isaiah Bolden got called up, so he's on the
on the fifty three man roster now. And he's a
guy that was kind of in that mix with Austin
and Wilson. We've talked a lot about Austin and Wilson
kind of went back and forth all summer. Maybe a
peg down Mican, maybe a little pig down. Yeah, And
I mean, if you got some time in the slot,
felt like they were trying to feel him out a
little bit, but a little bit good better size. I mean,
he's a size strength kind of guy who's a good

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kickoff returner. So we'll see. I mean, to Tamarrow's point there,
they're going to need everybody today in the second area
to defend all these all these weapons.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
And that Shanahan stretch run that they're going to have
to defend. Jennings certainly, you know, would be more than
useful in a situation like that for somebody else to
help try to set the edge.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
I think that's huge because they have a hard time
setting the edge in general, and he's one guy that
is really really good at it. In Anthony Jennings. That's
he's a run he's more of a run player. So
to be missing him in a game like this, I
think is not ideal, as you kids like to say now.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
And even with a shoulder injury, that's you know, a
really important part of setting the edge. And of you know,
him going against Trent Williams, I mean, that's that's a
tough matchup. You want to have every bit of your
strength when you're going against a guy like that. So
we'll see all those guys.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
He's another guy banged up for them. The Niners always Mike,
I always, I touch you this right, I taught you?
What did I teach you? Beware the guy who pops
onto the injury report during the week. That means something
happened at practice, and that's what happened to Trent Williams,
all of a sudden a toe injury, which can be
I know that probably people are like NFL players, but

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they can be very significant, especially for offensive linemen.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
All right, so as we set the table here talking
about the inactive list, it's coming up in a little while,
and who to keep an eye out for. Let's uh,
let's get started with the keys of the game.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Now you've waited all week for it.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
The whole teams in the locker room right now, just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials keys to the game.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Probably the key is return. It's hot to return.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Did you need those keys? This is the key to
the game. That's the key to the game. Your key
is the key to the game. I like it. This
is the key. I like it, all right. The winner
gets it, okay, not otherwise known as the Paul Parolo key,
but I mean theoretically someone else could win it from
time to time.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, Paul's walking around like mister T with it around.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
So is that like a WWE belt or something like that.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I haven't done done in the last couple of weeks,
but we gotta get back.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I thought we lost it.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I thought you lost you, buddy.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
I forgot to bring it in there.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
It was behind you.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
If you get it, does that mean you kick things off?
Why don't you kick things off?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
I'll kick things off. I don't think I got it
last week, though, but I will say I think it's
really really important for the Patriots to get some belief
immediately in this game. They're the underdogs. It's the biggest
They're the biggest underdog on the board at ten and
a half or whatever it ended up being. This is
going to be a tall task. They need to start fast, Matt.
I think they need to have some success early in

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this game and establish that they're not just going to
continue the way they played against the Jets. I think
the first quarter today is really really important.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
I think I couldn't agree with you more and I
think I would sort of echo what you're saying there,
Paul in a little bit and punchback.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
I don't think the expectations are high this week, but
let's determine who this Patriots team is. For a lot
of talk, you guys are in the locker room all week.
You know that wasn't us. That's not who we are
on both the defensive and the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
So let's see it today.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Punchback, punchback, and again against a opponent with a much
better roster than you, you deserve to at least punch
back and tell them that you're there.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's what I want to see out of this team today.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's great, ladies, for sure.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
Yeah, kind of piggybacking off what Matt Smith just said
last week wasn't who they are. And so my key
to the game is look in the mirror. I want
them to look in the mirror and get back to
playing Patriots ball. If you want your formula to be
playing tough defense, running the football, and not turning the
ball over. Last week, none of those things were great.
Ramandra Stevenson wasn't great. Honestly, the defense wasn't great for

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team miss tackles, you know, I mentioned that, And so
I think that if they can get back to playing
who they are, and I like how Jarrodmeo said Monday,
they just focused on them. If they can get back
to focusing on them and not beating themselves, I think
that could be huge today.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, I like everything you guys are saying. I mean,
I think it echoes the theme of this being a
team in week three. That's you know, a week for it.
It's kind of a turning point. And you've you know,
saw a good game the first week, second game played
better played okay, didn't get the winning, and the last
week it was pretty rough. So mine is just put
it all together. Everything you guys said is correct. You know,
Paul starfast, no turnovers, we know what the formula is.

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By this point, they've got to be able to put
it all together. We'll see what team they are. I mean,
they want to tell us in the locker room we're
more the week one team than the Week three team.
I mean, that's where a lot of teams are watching
these early games going right now. You know, teams are
establishing who they really are at this point, as other
opponents get film on, you start to understand what you're
trying to do. This is where things kind of start
to separate a little bit, and the good teams and

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the talented teams and the teams that are playing tough
are the ones that really start to pull ahead. So
put it all together, we know all the different elements
that they need to do to win this game. I
just hope even in defeat, maybe they're scrappy, like you said, Matt,
punch back, you know, show some fight. I went back
and looked at that twenty twenty game against this team,
and it looked like Kyle Shanahan had a total beat
on this offense. There was really nothing. Sorry, defense, there

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was nothing really the Patriots defense in twenty twenty, albeit
a very beleaguered crew, could do to really slow this defense,
this offense down. So they got to find something new
this time around. And now that's what I'm interested to
see schematically, how they kind of approach.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
I want to follow up with you guys because you
were in the locker room this week, and I think
very loudly, the message was you know, came out that
wasn't us weird different? How did you guys take that?
Are you buying or was it more of a well,
let's prove it. I can's see what happens. Talks talk,
Let's see what they do in the field. I would say, sorry,
let me jump just quick. I would just say I

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think that they're better than they should put on tape.
That Thursday night. I don't know how much better they are.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean, some of it, the mistackle kind of stuff
that the playing would, lack of discipline, those things sometimes
happen early in the season. But at the same time,
I don't know if they're necessarily the team that can
execute the week one game, week after week after week.
That's a really hard road to play. So I don't
think they're that team from week one or week three,
but they just need to find, you know, what team
they really are, and hopefully it's a team that has

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some explosiveness to it and isn't a team that needs
to walk the narrow path to victory every single week.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
I think from talking to Kyle Duggar specifically, he seemed
like that wasn't who they were last week. Like listening
to him talk after he became captain with Juwan Bentley
going on IR, he seemed like that wasn't the team
we are were last week. They liked nothing that they
saw on tape and they didn't think it was a
good reflection of who they are. And the word uncharacteristic
was used, especially because this is a difference that's usually

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so tough. Not missing tackles like that. It just all
seemed a team that's usually focused on their fundamentals. Their
fundamentals were not great. There was nothing textbook about that
Thursday night game.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Tamara mentions Douger Paul and I don't recall this happening. Obviously,
injuries happened all along throughout the Belichick tenure. I don't
remember him going out of his way to assign a
new captain when a captain went down.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I thought that was an interesting move. Meo said that
he did that with him. They talked to him about it, right.
He said that Bill had talked, had spoken about replacing
Gerard himself when one of the years that he was hurt,
that they you know, they and he didn't mention specifically
who the player was.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
I don't know that it was necessarily public, I remember.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
But it was, I mean, well according to Gerard anyway.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
I remember Gerard was allowed to be on the sideline
in fourteen when he got hurt, and that was a
big deal. And I think that might have been an
inkling as to, you know, what Gerard Mayo's future might be,
because he was helping out an awful lot on that
fourteen team that eventually went on and won.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
The Super Yeah, but he like I think the story
that Girard correct me, Mike if I have he was
saying that when he was no longer going to be
on the active roster, he went to Bill went to
Girard and said, this is what I'm going to do.
I'm gonna replace you as a captain, not remove your captaincy,
but I'm gonna. I feel it's important that we have

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another guy filling your role as captain. And I think
that's what he did. So do you like this with them? Sway? Sure?
I mean, I don't know. They have their numbers. I
think coaches are different in terms of how many how
many captains they like to have. But if there's an
amount of captains that coaches feel comfortable with, then I
think it's important that you replace them.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
Yeah. And I also think too, if Jawan Bentley isn't
able to travel right now because of his rehab for
his surgery, I think it could be good to actually
have someone physically present and able to talk to the
defense where Jawan Bentley usually would.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
I think is Dougar with this the extension that he
signed in the offseason, his second contract that he earned
his role on the team and everything like that seems
like kind of a natural fit.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, And I think Covington said this week that it's
it's really just about putting the sea on its sweater.
I mean, I think he's already kind of that leader.
I think what I'm reading between the lines with some
of the stuff Mayo said about is that they want
him to be more vocal. I mean, he's definitely a
quiet guy, soft spoken, you know, certainly an intense guy,
but nice little, nice little thing for him. I just
hope we can improve some of the consistency with him,
especially in coverage. This team needs him to be, you know,

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a tone setter. We talk about them playing a little
more coverage. Maybe this year he's on the back end
a little bit more. He needs to be a little
bit better, I think in coverage. And maybe this is
something that you know, can help him continue to build
towards rounding out his game.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
As we saw what the Jets did with Conklin last week,
and they attacked that area of the field with an
allegedly healthy Kittle coming back, you know, and they've also
got issues on the on the boundary, as they like
to say, with both you can see am me. Well,
that's gonna be a key spot I think for that
defensive backfielder is to look at kittles and see what,
you know, how they try to attack them in the

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middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Like yeah, I mean, I just you know, to go
back that twenty twenty game again, Like I just thought
Jimmy g did an excellent job spreading the ball around
getting it to all those guys, and really without McCaffrey,
it's it's kind of the same group. I think Ayuk
was a rookie that year, but still it's the same
kind of core bunch of guys. I mean, they put
four hundred and sixty seven yards on the Patriots. They

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had one hundred and ninety seven rushing yards. They were
four for five in the red zone. I mean, it
kind of reminded me of the Jets game last week
against the Patriots where they just couldn't really slow them down.
You know, it was just kind of touchdown, you know.
So I think it's absolutely everything is part of the
problem today. And they had Jawan Bentley in that game.
We'll see what they do to adjust. I'm sure DeMarcus

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Covington remembers what went down and out there with no
fans too, which by the way, is always just credibly
jarring to see those games again, like celebrating there's no
one in the stadium.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
I thought this will be an also a big game
for not letting your emotions get the best of you.
I think there was a lot of reaction last week.
I don't know if it was just the Jets, but
to buy you know, his penalty that was also very uncharacteristic,
like for this defense, that was just very unnecessary. So
it's like on top of missing fourteen tackles and you're
also tacking on fifteen yard penalties with things that shouldn't

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be happening.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, I think they called it unnecessary roughness. Actually it
definitely was not necessary. Yeah. No, I think officially.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
With the margin fererr so slim as you're saying like
they can't afford for those giveaways.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
No, no, and I mean that, I mean really, the
dream is that they're starting to produce, and they start
to produce big plays and the passing game starts to
be productive, and then you know, then you have some
wiggle room as far as mistakes or you know, the
defense gets takeaways. That gives you some more wiggle room.
You need those big plays, you need the takeaways if
you're going to have you know, if it's not going
to be this narrow path where no turnovers, fast start,

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good finish, you known, minimal penalties. You know, we can't
hurt ourselves like all those different things that you feel,
like those boxes they need to check to get a win.
They need to build in a little bit of flexibility
into into their style.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yeah, and that's why I want to get back to,
you know, let the fast start, you know, like whether
or not well this isn't us, this is you know
that that wasn't us, That wasn't us, Well, it is
you if you continue to play like that. So that's
why I think the fast start is really important, you know,
because once you start, once you start establishing the pattern
of play, like, it's hard to just say, well that

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that was uncharacteristic of us.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, you are right, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
So if if it's similarly you know, lopsided early on,
then there's an argument to be made that that is
what you are.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
Did you think they tried to get too cute last
week in terms of the offense that they're running, or
do you think that that is the direction they should
try to go again today.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I mean I think they need to do I think
they need to throw the ball more than you know,
more effectively than they have. But you know, obviously they
haven't been able to do that.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It just feels like it's so dependent on the running
game right now, and where they kind of avoided the
running game, you know, they weren't able to get it
going on.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
Let's get some perspective from behind enemy lines.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
You know, the you from New England, but what about
the view from the other side.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
And that's why you're our favorite pregame show guests. Yeah
every year he and hs.

Speaker 8 (16:07):
No, you tell everybody there. I was on with you
guys at twenty eighteen Thursday Night Football.

Speaker 9 (16:12):
Yeah, and I was bled.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
I was the favorite game for the show.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
No time now to go behind enemy lines.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
My god, it's got a right one. And as we
go behind enemy lines, we are pleased to be joined
by Jennifer lee Chand from nbcsports dot Com in the
Bay Area. Jennifer, thank you very much for joining us.
And I'll go right off the top and ask what
is the mood in the Bay Area with the San
Francisco forty nine ers. Did they enter Week four.

Speaker 10 (16:37):
Well, I think there's definitely more panic outside the building
than inside. It feels like there's a kind of a calm,
I guess purpose in the locker room. They know what
they have to do. They know they've lost a couple
games in a row, so they've got to get everything
back on track. But there's definitely no symp the panic
in the locker room at all.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Jennifer, just what's an overall health assessment some of the
big players. I know Deebo's expected to play, Kittles expected
to be back, Trent Williams, Salvath, maybe an injury pop
up this week. What do you get the sense with
the injury situation with those three big players.

Speaker 10 (17:05):
Well, I mean I think they're all going to play.
Trent Williams just walked in. It is their crucial catch
tackle cancer week, So he had a nice ceremony with
a bunch of cancer survivors as he watched the red
carpet into the stadium. So he looks like he's ready
to play. I think he will. You know, it's a
tot injury and illness for Trem Williams, but I think
everybody else looks healthy as they walked in down the

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red carpet. Everybody looked like they were normal in game day.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
Modes, Jennifer, is there any concern with the forty nine
ers secondary and you know, their ability to be able
to close out games. I know last week watching the
Rams game, it seemed like they were able to exploit
that group a lot.

Speaker 10 (17:41):
Yeah, I mean there is always I think a transition period.
Telenowen Funga came back from an at injury and I
think just his communication with Jayye Brown needs to be
tightened up a little bit. And then Isaac Yadam didn't
have a great game. He's been in in nickel situations.
But Tarvarius Award also coming back from a hamstering injury.
Guys that have been out of the lineup and back

(18:02):
in it and their consistency in being able to play
together is kind of I think it's better. It will
be better after a week of practice together. But yeah,
there were definitely some communication issues last week.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I want to ask you about a different element of
the defense up front and their ability to stop the run. Obviously,
that's what the Patriots are going to want to do,
is run the football. That's really the only thing that
they've had much success at offensively, How are the Niners,
you know, without Hardgrave in the middle, how does that
affect them stopping the run.

Speaker 10 (18:32):
I think losing Hargrave is a huge one for the
four Narros depensive front, and Malie Collins has been playing well,
but now it's Jordan Elliott and Lilie Collins in the center.
I mean, Hargrave really was the anchor in the center
of that line. Nick Bosa and future Gross Matos Leonard
Floyd on the outside have always been pretty solid. But yeah,
I think that's the one area if there is a

(18:53):
chink in the armor, I think that is where the
Patriots could really exploit it. If they could get the
run game going, I think that be the way they
could pull out a win here in Santa Clara.

Speaker 11 (19:04):
I think it's going to be tough.

Speaker 10 (19:05):
I mean, this group has been up and down and
I think this is really a prove its game for
the Foreigners defense, and so if they can do it,
they need to start early, stop in the run, making
the Patriots offense one dimensional.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
Looking at the third phase, Jennifer and I think the
forty nine ers would probably say to a person they
were did not play well in special teams last week,
and really that helped pay victory for the Rams. I
think the Patriots are probably looking at that as there
an opportunity maybe to cash it a little bit on
their special teams play. I would assume that was a
point of emphasis for the forty nine ers staff and

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players this week.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
I mean everything was a point of emphasis this week.
I mean, they just did not play well in all
three phases. But yet, I mean, you can't allow a
thirty eight yard return, so if they can get a
good return, I mean that always flips the field position,
which would be good for the Patriots. But yes, I'm
sure they've been trying to tighten it up across the
board in all three bases. They just they couldn't get

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the going with Josh passes. They had a lot of
big explosives allowed by the Rams, and then the special
teams missed field goal big returns. I mean, there's definitely
ways that the Patriots could exploit all three phases if
they have a really good game to have here.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Sounds like shorts color was also a point of emphasis
this week. But I wanted to ask you though about
just you know, brock perty a lot was on his
shoulders last week. It still seems like he's off to
a really good start.

Speaker 10 (20:24):
I mean, he really is. He's just such a level
headed player, and you know, you see him in the
locker room. He's such a great leader, which is why
he was a captain at such a you know, young start,
young phase of his career. The fact that he didn't
you know, no one threw a Ronnie Bell under the
bus for dropping the pass that could have led to
a win last week in Los Angeles, and he went
up to Ronnie Bell and said, hey, man, we've got

(20:44):
your back. I know, you know it with a mistake,
but you're going to get better. You've got to put
it behind you move forward. And I think that's really
what this team needs to do. If they don't put
that behind them and kind of linger on the mistakes,
it could end up being a snowball effect for them.
But I mean it's a mature locker room with lots
of veteran leaders like Fred Warner, like Rock Purdy, I mean,
watching brock perty and Juwan Jennings. It was just so

(21:06):
unfortunate that they couldn't get the win last week because
it would have been an incredibly. I guess a kind
of more publicized performance by those two. But they had
such a great performance, both of them, but because of
it was a loss, it becomes a stat as opposed
to one of those epic games. Just watch Juwan Jennings
walk into the stadium and he's commed up as normal,

(21:29):
singing on his way in, so it could be another
big day.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
Jordan Mason, he's really done a great job filling the
shoes of Christian McCaffrey. What does he meant to this
forty nine ers offense?

Speaker 10 (21:42):
The fact that he has been able to step in
in place of Christian McCaffrey has been really important. Now
they knew what they had in him when they drapped him.
But with pushing a hand's offense as a job. So
if they are not good at pass protection, it's going
to be a little while before they get on the field.
And he's not Christian McCaffrey, but he is so powerful
out of the backfield, and Johnny Hollen has, sorry, Bobby Turner,

(22:05):
has such a trust in him. It wasn't always like
that though, I mean when they when JP Mason and
Bobby Turner first started their relationship, coach to players. They
butted heads a bit, and finally Jakes Mason realized the
work that had to go into being running back with
the forty nine ers in their offense, and it's really

(22:27):
paid off. You can see it on the field. He
bought a jugs machine during the off season. He practiced
with his dad, and so he wants to become just
like Christian mccafrey, wants to emulate him. That's a huge ass,
but the fact that he's getting closer is a good
sign of his success in the league.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Great stuff, Jennifer, and setting this table for what it's
like from the San Francisco perspective. So now we'll put
you on the spot and ask you for a pick.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Please.

Speaker 10 (22:51):
Oh it's always may predictions, but forty iyers are going
to bounce back. I think they're going to bounce back.
But I think you know, the page is the thing.
Get the run game going. It'll be a close one.
I would say, let's twenty to fourteen.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
Very good. Jennifer lee Chan from NBC Sports dot Com
out in the Bay Area. We really thank you for
your time before the game today.

Speaker 10 (23:17):
No problem, have a good game.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Great Thank you, Jonnifer, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
Good information there. You know, she brings up the McCaffrey
thing where that sounds like, uh, that's a big mystery,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, I wasn't going to Germany or something to get
it checked. That's never a good good it's good sign
when you're headed to Europe to get an evaluation. So
I don't know. I mean, it's it's just unfortunates such
a dynamic player that I mean, I just think it's
better for the league when a player who's that good
is playing, and you know, for the Patriots they get
a little bit of a break today. But I do
think it's a blow to the league and just a
blow to an awesome player that's that's a lot of

(23:49):
fun to watch. So hopefully he's able to figure it
out and get back this year. But let's face it,
this is you know, this is him. This is kind
of an issue almost every year with injuries, and.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
The Niners have done a really good job on some
of those late round picks. You know, they've really feasted
in that area and try to find some value and
guys who stepped in and played, you know, kudos to
their personel staff.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
For doing that.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I mean, Fred Warner is one of my favorite players
in the league. I just I think he I mean,
he just he looks like a monster out there to me,
the way he's just got like his arms cocked back,
and he just, I mean, he's he's he's smart enough
to get in front of plays, but he's also fast
enough to get in front of plays. He he's an
outstanding player in the middle of their defense. And you know,
he's going to be a big part of the run
game today is making plays.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
And a guy who's you know, like as good as
him hasn't even played yet, Green Drake Greenlaw. It's amazing,
you know, just how much talent that they have. And
I know that everybody uses that as the model, like
why forget the quarterback, just build the team, Like that's easy.
That's ridiculously hard what they've done. Yeah, and to have
that amount of talent that that many different spots is

(24:51):
not an easy thing. And Matt's right. They they hit
on a lot of third and fourth and fifth round
draft picks that are guys that are all pros.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
Now, okay, we want to hear from you as well.
At the TPX hotline is eighty five to five Pats
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Speaker 4 (25:09):
Let's hit the.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Phones and let's check in with Pat and Agam. Pat,
You're next on the Patriots Pregame Show.

Speaker 11 (25:14):
Hello, Hey, good afternoon everyone.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Good afternoon, Paty, Patty.

Speaker 11 (25:20):
I just wanted to touch on a couple of things.
I don't know if you guys would think this is
a dumb idea, but would you, like, do you think
they we could have some success possibly running some draws
and delays at Nick Bose's side to kind of take
advantage of his over aggressiveness, because that's just how he
plays by nature. And I do like I'd like to

(25:41):
call up from UH to get Isaiah bold Enough here,
and I could see him matching up a lot on
Juwan Jennings because you know, he's They had him organ
in the slot a lot at Corners this this training camp,
and he's probably I mean, I don't know how he's
gonna looking coverage, but he's probably of our more dynamic athletes.

(26:01):
And I just wanted to get your guys thoughts on that,
and I'll take it off there.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
Thanks for the call, Pat, I think that the notion
that you run it somebody like Bosa is a good one.
I don't know that i'd do it on a draw
I've running at him.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
It's just going to say the same thing. It's defeating
the purpose of that mentality by running draws and delays.
Now he's in the backfield tackling you a guy as
he gets the ball. If you want to exploit a
guy's over aggressiveness, you run right at him, or maybe
you run screen scream passes behind him.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, that's that's what I was you direction I would
have had is this screen passes. Haven't seen a lot
of those from the Patriots. I mean, I think Antonio
Gibson has has really shown some promise and could really
be a nice one two punch with Stevenson.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Change of pace.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I like to see him get a little bit
more involved. But I look what Jennifer had to say.
It seems like if there's one thing, you know, Paul
starfast like, I hate staying established the run, but it's
kind of who the Patriots are. And I think getting
a control of the game, picking up a couple first
downs on your first possession, you know, just getting a
little bit of confidence and getting Remondra going and feeling
like you got a little something cooking, then it might
open the rest of the playbook.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
So Mike, isn't that part of this whole? What is
their identity? And don't they have to get back like
they've got to get back to that this is who
we are and so they've got to establish this out
of the shoot.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, it's just so connected, you know. And that's what
we talked about this week of this wide zone kind
of system, and you'll see it today with Shanahan that
if you're able to run the wide zone all of
a sudden, it's like it unlocks the rest of the
offense because now you've got boots and play action and
everything that you're able to do off of that. So
it'd be great if they will be able to. I
just I don't have a ton of confidence in it, because,

(27:31):
as we've talked about tons of times, it just seems
really hard for this group of offensive linemen and running
backs to really hit that outside edge. We've seen a
couple of them, and I think Gibson is one who
could be a candidate to get that outside edge, But
I don't know. I think they're still trying to figure out,
even within their identity of running the ball, what kind
of running teams are going to be if that makes sense.
So maybe they can figure it out today a little bit.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
And I feel like the offensive line has change every game,
Like is Kaden Wallace going to start today or do
we think it's going.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
To chany Yeah, that's a great thing to bring up.
He banged up. You know, you might have Trey Jacobs
out there has been here a few weeks that a
left tackle will see how they divide those reps up
a great point.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Yeah, So that makes me even think even more like
this really might be a throwback type of game for
the offense where they just run the ball and eventually passed.
But I feel like it's definitely gonna be really run heavy.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
You mentioned offensive line. Our first email or at podcast
at Patriots dot com. That's Junior from Minneapolis wants to
weigh in on the left tackle debate. He disagrees with
Paul about drafting of a developmental left tackle in the
second or third round because he believes it besides quarterback,
And you stop for a second, I've never suggested to
draft a developmental left tackle in the second or third round.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
You can continue, Okay, Love, I love interrupting there. That's great.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
I'm being serious, by the way, because he believes that,
besides quarterback, left tackle is the hardest position to find
a quality starter. Wolf seems to believe in this because
he tried to trade into the first round for Tyler Geyton.
According to his agent. Where he does agree with you,
Paul is that he wanted Wolf to be more aggressive
in the free agent market and signed someone. I kind
of feel like that's beaten the dead horse I.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Just wanted, just because that is so one thousand percent
the opposite of what I've said many many times, including
last week when I yelled at somebody got angry. That
was good. I do not think you can just pick
left tackles in the third round. I don't think there
are a lot of like quality left tackles that get
found in the middle, but generally they're they're blue chip

(29:20):
guys that go early in the draft. So that is
exactly the opposite of how I feel about left tackle.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, we knew it was gonna be hard to
get everything. I mean, I just I think that whole conversation.
I'm really getting sick of it because it's just look,
the train has left the station at this point. Correct,
it's not even doing when we sit here and be like, well,
they could have signed this guy, but he's heard, and
they could have traded up and drafted this guy but
then not gotten that guy, Like I can't continue to
play that game. I'm sure they're sitting up in their
offices between the injuries and the personnel being like we

(29:48):
wish we had some more depth at left tackle. It
for whatever it's worth, whether it's a rookie, whether it's
another free agent, but I at some point you just
got to leave the off season behind and say this
is the guys we're going to war with. We got
to try to figure it out. There's certainly holes that
are gonna need to be filled. We didn't think they
were gonna do everything last offseason. There there is worth
some criticism there for sure, but at the same time,
like here we are, Week four, rights we're moving on.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
And by the way, don't you see the roster churn
on literally a weekly basis, between guys coming in, guys
coming out, who's gonna be hurt, who's gonna be playing
this week, who's not gonna be playing this week. I
mean there, it's obviously it's a major level of concern
for the entire football staff.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I mean it's I don't know. I mean the part
I love is like you maname a guy and I
go Joe, Well, Joe all hurt now, Like I you know, I.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Really don't understand what a guy getting injured has to
do with the mentality, Like I just he wouldn't be
hurt if he was here, you know, It's just he
may have gotten hurt the first day of training campaign
was here. Like, I just don't understand why you say,
see that's what happens, right. Oh Okay, so you you're
the one who knew that the guy was gonna get hurt. Okay.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Our TPX hotline is eight five to five Pats five hundred.
Floyd from Michigan joins us next on the Patriots pregame
show fueled by Duncan. Good Afternoon, Floyd, Good afternoon, Good afternoon,
flood Mark.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
I have a two part question. The first part, who
you believe that Alex van Tel.

Speaker 12 (31:12):
Wants to start Drake May this year?

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Part two, if, and that's the word, is if they
were to fit Drake May for the season wouldn't it
be fair to ask why didn't the Patriots take a
trade down off? And I got this question from drift
from Nick Ray, But remember the Giants and the Bikens
offer a trade down.

Speaker 12 (31:35):
So couldn't they have taken a tackle and.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
A wide receivers this year and didn't take the quarterback
next year if they were to set Drake May this year.

Speaker 12 (31:44):
Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Welcome Floyd. And by the way, I think those are
good both two good questions from Floyd.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Let's start with it.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Do you think Alex wants to avp excuse me, wants.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Made to start this year? I think he has to start.
I mean, I don't know what Alex van Pelt wants.
I mean, I know there's you know, concern, Well, he's
got to win. I mean, and this is a chance.
I just I think you had a chance to get
a quarterback in the top three. I saw Drake May
play plenty of the summer to believe that that was
the right pick to make.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
There.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
You don't know if you're going to be back in
the top three. It's not as easy as well just
get a quarterback next year. I like the kid they
got where they got him. I don't think we'd be
in a better position if you had, you know, traded down,
drafted Joe All and we're still just watching Jacoby Brissett
get killed and you have no quarterback for the future,
and you're hoping now that your draft pick again is
going to be high enough to get I guess somebody
who emerges this year from college football that we're all

(32:33):
kind of waiting for. So I think he has to
play this year. I'm not. I'm not hitting the panic
button at all now, but we'll talk about it November
if we get to the point.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
I don't know what Alex Vanpelt wants or doesn't want.
I get the impression just from watching that he would
rather not have him played. But I don't the second
part of the question, I don't have any I don't
know what one has to do with the other. What
does if he's not going to play this year and
they don't want him to play this year, why does
that mean they should have trade it down? Yeah? Because

(33:03):
so it I mean, I guess the idea is, well,
you could have gotten you know, other things, and then
got the quarterback next year and then Sadam next year.
Because if they're like kind of opposed to playing a
rookie quarterback immediately. Is it just because Drake May was
only twenty one coming into the league, or is it
just more of a philosophical I don't want my young
quarterback to play right away, like I just like in

(33:27):
other words, I don't. I don't really know what those
two things have to do with each other. I think
that they felt like May was better than the trade
down option, and that's why they stood Pat.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I just sorry, I don't. I just got to jump
in again, like and I keep doing this ramp, but
I'm gonna keep doing it. Like, I think that there
is an element that they want to sit a young
quarterback for a little bit. I don't, however, connect it
to Aaron Rodgers, you know, sitting behind Brett Favre and
Jordan Love sitting behind Aaron Rodgers. I don't connect that
to an organizational philosophy where we don't play our rookie
quarterbacks in the first year. They had all pro Hall

(33:59):
of Fame type quarterbacks starting at that point. I do
think that there is an element of truth, and I
agree with them that a rookie quarterback maybe could use
some time, especially one who didn't have a lot of
experience in college, who had some works coming out of
college that we talked about all summer footwork, you know, consistency,
some of the brain fart plays that Drake may tends
to have as a young kid. So I get that
they want to give some time. I just think where

(34:20):
we might divert is that I think he has to
play this year. I think the experience of burning a
year that is detrimental to him. He's not going to
get what he needs. Like sure, first couple months understand
the flow. The team gets a chance to figure out
what they're good at and how he will fit into
this equation and how they might be able to play
to his strengths once he does get in there. But
past a certain point in November December, now you're starting

(34:42):
to waste time, and that's when I'm going to start
getting agitated, like some of the fans.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
So, Mike, we're super sensitive to it here because we're
watching it.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Unfold right before our eyes.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
Hasn't happened for many, many years. This isn't just a
Patriots issue. This is a league wide issue. And you're
watching Caleb Williams get thrust into the fire and struggle.
Bo Nick's got a win last week, but it wasn't
really because of bow Nicks. You know, until last week
in Cincinnati, Jane Daniels hadn't really done anything. The great
Tom Brady is here telling us all the time that
why are these young quarterbacks being thrust into it? This

(35:11):
is a real live on the job debate about how
do you handle a young quarterback? And I don't know
what the right answer is on this, you know, I
think it's very much team specific. And I think if
you asked everybody here and in the New England area
what they want to see from the New England Patriots
by the end of the twenty twenty four season is
that Drake May's got some snaps under his belt. Mayo

(35:33):
said this, you know, they need to know what they've
got in him. We just don't know what that time's
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, it's a little patients. You know, it's been three weeks,
and I mean there was three games in two and
a half weeks.

Speaker 7 (35:42):
Really, And I will say too, I think that you know,
going into training camp, I think and I think Drod
Mayo has said this many times. They had a different
look at the offensive line than we all thought. They
thought it was at least going to be decent, and
I obviously you can't anticipate Gasic City so and what
happened with Chukes. They didn't anticipate those things happening. And

(36:02):
so I think that say, if everyone was still here,
troops were still here, say Citysow was healthy, I'm wondering
if it would be different because the offensive line would
have been a consistent five up until this point versus
a hodgepodge every single week.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
And Patriot fans are weighing in on the tub on
the subject, emailing a podcast at Patriots dot com seeing
Tony from Canada is saying it's May Day based on
what we've seen so far. I think the Patriots went
about a quarter of their games this year, and if
that's the case, then it's hard for me to be
excited about watching the game unless we play Drake May.
So it's obviously out there, it's what most people are
talking about.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I get it, but I think we've seen enough of
Drake May that I'm okay being a little bit patient
here through September and October.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
I'll see from Evans Twitter's fingers it is looking like
City Show and Kadan Wallace are both warming up right
now in T shirts and John Jones, which is a
sign that they'll be active.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
So hopefully we'll know more soon.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
But I'm wondering if Trey Jacobs does get the start
at left time, if maybe they'll use Kayden Wallace for
the sixth offensive lineman, if they want to like get
really efficient running the ball today.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Sorry, because Kayden did that what.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
Eight what was it fifteen times?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Eighteen times?

Speaker 7 (37:11):
Whatever it was the first game. I'm wondering if like
maybe they tried trade Jacobs at left tackle and then
use Kayden Wallace in a.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
Role where he's had some success.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Yes, yes, and just try someone else left tackle.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well just Wallace maybe instead of Wallace a little banged up,
and try him as the six keep him holding back
a little bit, just make him play, you know, the
sixth offensive tackle kind of position. I mean, it just
depends on how hurd he isn't and how much he's
ready to go. I don't I mean, I don't hate it.
I mean I think Paul, I think you said, maybe
maybe they start Jacobs and see how it goes, and
then and then bring Wallace in as an option to.
But I think ultimately just kind of boil down to

(37:44):
how does Kate Wallace feel today?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
You look like you're letting that one similarly.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
And and I'm I don't I mean ready to see
City so played today too.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Finally, yeah, I mean, I just think the offensive line
has struggled. I think all of the guys have struggled.
I haven't necessarily seen it any better with any different
cod They had the same four guys from left guard
to right tackle in all three games. They've had revolving
door at left tackle, and I don't think any of

(38:14):
them has been any good. Ironically, I think the guy
who probably played the most consistently was Michael Jordan, and
he's hurt at left guard, and he's hurt now. So
it's I mean, I feel like for Scott Peters and
Alex Van Pelt on one hand, because I feel like
they have been hamstrung a little bit by the question,

(38:35):
you know, by the inability to to protect the passer.
But that's that's reality.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I wonder what it be.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
Like if on one who didn't have to move positions,
like if he was in the same position that he
was practicing in all summer I feel like that's the
one he wants to be in at least.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I mean it's it's I mean, it's funny because
like you laid it out and it was like, yeah,
it'd be great if we could have kept the same
guys in And it's just like, I just haven't seen
the strides yet from Vederian Low. And I'd say that's
kind of piece, like I don't know what they were planning,
like in their heart of hearts, what the you know
it was was a core for like their planet left
tackle or was it just kinda we don't really know.
We're kind of gonna throw a bunch of right tackles

(39:11):
at the at the wall. And we have this kid,
Vederian Low that that we kind of believe in. But
I just haven't seen the progress from them. And that's,
you know, what has to start to come. And the
coaches have said it consistently every time they talk, it's
going to get better, It's going to get better. WHOA
at a certain point, it's got to get better, you know.
City So as much as he was in there and
he was consistent, I thought in some of the preseason
games he looked discombobulated he just looked like he didn't

(39:34):
quite know where he was fitting into things. You know,
we'll see how he is coming if he's able to
get back in there. But it's hard to have confidence.
I'd love to have continuity, but that doesn't necessarily mean
it's going to lead to success.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Is the progress hampered or hamstring mic because of the
fact that they're injured.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Across the board, I mean, got to be, got to be,
it's got to be a factor. But at the same time,
as Paul pointed out, you know, they had a lot
of the same personnel and some of the mistakes that
you saw last week, Like some of them you could
point to and say, look, Michael Jordan and Caden Wallace
on the left side, they screwed up picking that stunt up.
You know, Michael Jordan's going right with the guy he
picks Kaden Wallace, the guy loops right over him and
comes right. But you also see something like Mike and

(40:10):
when you whis reading between the tea leaves, it seems
like he just kind of cut a guy loose on
third down. And so you can't have your veteran that
you just extended making brain farts like that. That's that's
below the line. We talk about it, but like that's
below the line for a couple of rookies screwing up
on a stunt. All right, week three, short week, first
time starting left tackle. All right, I'll give you a little,
you know, a little bit of a little bit of

(40:31):
a pass on that. But they just can't make the
stupid mistakes, the self inflicted ones, especially by the guy
who you really need to be your best player.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
TPX hotline eighty five to five, Pats five hundred. Justin
from Virginia, You're next year in the Patriots pregame show
fueled by Duncan. Hello, Justin, what's going on guys football?

Speaker 12 (40:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Sure, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 13 (40:51):
So what I'm talking about is I want people to
be a little bit careful with like trying to grapple
the short term to the long term. Like I don't
I don't necessarily think that how this year goes in
a microcosm is like a dictation on how like this

(41:11):
man's whole career is going to go. Because I remember
Joe Burrows, like first year, he started day one and
it didn't like he ended up being pretty good right
through a talk of aloa his first year didn't go
very well. He ended up at least being a good quarterback.
Like the concussion things are is a different subject, but
he at least ended up being a good quarterback.

Speaker 14 (41:31):
You know.

Speaker 13 (41:32):
I just think at some point they have to circle
around to what we've been saying. Get playmakers at offensive tackles,
get playmakers at wide receiver, you know, justin thank.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
You for the phone call.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
I think that's the subtitle to the twenty twenty four
Patriots a highlight film whenever that comes out, is how
do they balance you know, the now.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
In the future.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Yeah, And it's not an easy path to navigate.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
It's not and as you can see, people aren't patient.
I mean it's not it's what have you done for
me lately? And I totally understand every fan out there
who's saying I want to see Drake may play. I
want to We all want to see Drake may play.
We have to be a little bit patient, but hopefully
it's coming sooner than later.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
So but the one thing here before we're up against
it here in a second, I want to go back
into I'm reading the you know O'Connor book on Rogers
right now and have just gone through the part where
Rogers sat. You're right, Mike, it's not in apples to
apples situation. But with so many people from that organization
and the fact that they did it twice, granted again
apples and cantalopes, they has to color their decision, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I would think so. I mean, and look, they're they're
they're the professionals. I'm sure they could go into far more,
you know, detail than I could about the benefits of sitting.
But like I get it, I get it for six
to eight games the first, you know, to start. I mean, look,
I think we can all agree, like there's been ups
and downs with the rookies. You know, he saw a
great game from Jayden Daniels last week. You know, is
he gonna build on that and have a similar kind
of game this week? Or you know, you're looking at

(42:55):
bo Nix who had a good game last week and
now he's having a terrible week. So there's value in
that for sure. I think it's just a question of
when do you want to kind of push him out
on the boat. You know, it's like finally put your
kid on his bike, and you know, when are you
ready to finally let go and let him pedal on
his own. I don't see anything wrong with you know,
especially a young kid. This is a long term plan.
Nobody thinks that, like the man, they're just a quarterback away.

(43:16):
So give them a little bit of time. But again,
I'll be right there if it's November and Versett is
walking out there, limping onto the field, you know, to
start the first quarter, Like what are we doing here?
Let let's get the kid out there and start getting them.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
For me, it's all about getting through those pains, you know,
those early growing pains. Like I have no illusions that
jayde and Daniel is going to play sixteen more games
like he did last week. He's been pretty good through
three games. Caleb Williams is getting better through three games. Yeah,
Like he's not there. These guys have a long way
to go. I don't like bo Nicks. I don't think
he's all that good. He was excellent last week. He

(43:49):
played a really good game against Tampa Bay. I don't
think that that's who he is because I don't really
believe in the talent. But those other two guys, I
would feel better having the opportunity to have my guy
playing like that and sort of fighting through some of
the stuff that I know is going to happen. You
know that Aaron Rodgers thing that Matt's talking about. Oh,

(44:11):
this is this whole narrative. Now, he couldn't even throw
the ball. He didn't know what he was doing when
he was a rookie. Well yeah, you know what, he
wasn't ready to play in year three or year four
whenever he took over either, you know why, because he
hadn't played yet. So I'd like to eliminate the year
four rebuilding year as opposed to the year one rebuilding
year and hope that he's good.

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In active time that means it's Tamarra Brown time.

Speaker 7 (51:15):
I love that Tarror Brown time. Sadly, I have to
report that Anthony Jennings is inactive today. I think that's
the biggest blow to this list. Jahem Bell, also Michael Jordan,
Butdarian Lowe, Jeremy Croma and Joe Milton is obviously the
emergency quarterback, and then for the forty nine ers, Deebo
Samuel is active, Trent Williams is active, George Kittle is active.
So almost at full strength for the forty nine ers offense.

(51:38):
I think we talked about at the top of the
show that was the expectation. But I want to go
back to Anthony Jennings. I think this is going to
be a huge game for Rayquon McMillan, who you know,
obviously is trying to feel the void of Juwan Bentley,
and you know over the summer, Gerrod Mayo talked about
him being a tone setter for this defense. He talked
about he's finally healthy, He's a good blocker, he flies around.
I need to see that because I didn't see that

(51:59):
last time. And when you don't have Afrity Jenez and
you're gonna have to rely on guys like to Buy
and ray Qua McMillan, and you don't have Juwan Bentley,
it could be a long day for this defense who
struggled to stop the run last week.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
And you say San Francisco forty nine or offense, it
is pretty much close to full strength exactly knowing.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
The Patriot offense is not no full.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Strength no, And I mean I would just echo what
Smara said. I just I think the lack of physicality
on the edges, it's it's not good. I mean, you
look at you traded Jude on Away. You don't have
Jennings in there. Who are really you're outside linebackers today.
I mean you're right, ray Quon McMillan, Julyi, Tobay. They
can kind of slide out there, but this is a
big physical team that wants to run the ball San

(52:40):
Francisco and to not have big physical guys and I mean,
you know, key On White, I'm sure we'll be out
there a little bit. They'll they'll strength some stuff together
with him, but it's it's a light group on the
second level. I think it's gonna be a challenge for it.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
And I feel and it's and it sucks because this
is a defense who, you know, we thought had really
progressed and stopping the run and they've been so good
at it, or they've become so good at it, and
now it's like this could be an area for that.
If I was the forty nine ers, I would exploit
because they are missing those guys, and it's like now
it's kind of a group effort where I feel like
Juwan Bentley was the glue that held all this together,

(53:15):
and now you take him out and everything is unraveled.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
So you're gonna try to cheat up Peppers. You're going
to try to cheat upduggers, and then when you do that,
you mightn't wide open in the middle.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
You might have to you might have to. But I mean, look,
if I was the forty nine ers and I know
the Patriots defense pretty well, I mean i'd have I'd
have a target, you know, right on Daniel Laqualley up
the middle. I would have a target on some of
these lighter guys on the zone runs getting to the outside.
There's really an option to a bunch of options for
San Francisco to attack, at least as far as the run,
and then, as you said, and then we can just

(53:44):
slip one of our great receivers in behind. So I mean,
you know, this is where you see the problems that
this team causes with Deebo Samuel, all the different things
that he can do, what they do with Kyle Hughes.
Check their full back, who is a full back in
name but you know, really just touch everything kind of
h back, can block, can catch. So not to keep
going back to twenty twenty, but you just you saw it.
You saw the Patriots defense in a blender and it's

(54:05):
like they just were spinning the dial. Hey, we're passing,
We're gonna there's a little end around to Debo. Here's
you know, a deep shot to you know, to Ayuk's.
It's a lot to deal with on defense, and it's
got to be fun as an offensive coordinator to know
that you've just got all these different options right at
your disposal. It's gonna be a big challenge for the
Patriots defense.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
And I think from a pass rush perspective, it's like,
I don't know how they're gonna get pressure on Rock Purdy,
who when I was watching the game last week, the
announcers were like, Oh, he can make a coffee back there.
That's how much time he has he can.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Grill a stack.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Like they were just going on and on about how
much time he had to throw. And that's not something
you want if you're the Patriots defense, Like you want
to get pressure on him. And last week they didn't
get much pressure on Aaron Rodgers at all. So, I
don't know what the plan is. I don't know what
DeMarcus Coventon is cooking up back there, but well.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It's just like getting getting to third down. I mean,
how do we get to third down? Because then all right,
then Ouch can kind of do what he does and
he's got good speed and you know, I think he could,
you know, maybe put some challenge on on Trent Williams
a little bit with his ability to bend the edge.
But to me, it's about getting the third down and
getting into that situation because I mean, I think in
the perfect world that's kind of what the Patriots defense is.

(55:14):
We got our big you know, Anthony Jennings and Keyon
White are gonna be out there as all right setters
on early downs and all right, we got to third
down and now, or we're gonna let the horses loose
with you know, with some of the upfield rushing that
that the Patriots defense will do from time to time.
But it's just how do they get to third down?
That's that's gonna be the big challenge. Stop in the
run is huge.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
A couple follow ups there, I think it was Dietri Kwise,
who is who said during the week, pretty a sneaky,
uh kind of athletic. We'll get outside a little bit,
can break outside and maybe pick up some of those
scramble yards when pressure comes. And then just on the
Jennings thing. And I like Anthony Jennings as a player.
I think he earned the contract extension that he got
in the offseason. He's a good piece to have on

(55:53):
the team. I think it speaks to the lack of
depth of the entire roster defensively, when we're pining away
for Jettings to play, it just speaks to the depth issues.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
That they have.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
No uh, the linebacker depth. It's just it's hard right now.

Speaker 7 (56:09):
And it's like guys who usually only came in for
a couple of packages are expected to play full time
and it's like, are these guys ready for that?

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Mike, you mentioned equality, And I like Daniel l'aqually as
a player too. But Daniel l'aqually is a fifth or
sixth defensive lineman on the team. You see how many
snaps he played against the Jets game. I can't believe
in the spring that they were sitting there going this
is how many snaps Daniel Laqualley's going to play it's
just it's not the role I would think that they would.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Envision for him.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
No, and that's I mean again it's you know where
everyone's focused on personnel mishap, you know, misgivings at the
tackle position. But I mean I was somebody who said edge, edge, edge,
and you know it was even more glaring once they
traded judea On And certainly Keon White has has been
really good and has helped a little bit. But I
think key On White he's not a pure edge player.
He's not going to play there every down. So on

(56:53):
one hand, yes, it's nice that he can go there
on early downs and and he's physical on the edge
and he'll set an edge, but he's not going to
bush off the edges as consistently as Judom would have.
And you know, even just it's they piece it together.
I mean, Jennings had such a specific role, but it
was an important role, especially against a physical running team
like this, and you know, like you said, Matt, you
pull that thread out and it's just another big piece

(57:15):
that they're going to have to overcome. Tough sweater Tamara, Yeah,
Tamara mentioned Ray Kwan McMillan. I mean, you know, he's
pretty athletic, but he's not the most physical now, you know,
and so that I think you're just missing a lot
of physicality on the Patriots defense too.

Speaker 6 (57:26):
Right, Paul comes back from his show, Paul just to
catch you up if you haven't already been caught up.
John Jones up, Anthony Jennings down for the Patriots defensively.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
I think Jennings is a big loss. I think that
he's one of the better front seven run defenders. So
now he and Bentley I would put in that small
group and they're both out. So a team like San
Francisco that wants to run the ball the way they
like to run it to the edges with the zone,
you know, the wide zone that the Patriots have been
talking about so much, that's what the Niners do. That

(57:57):
that's not a good situation for the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
TPX hotline is eight five to five. Pats five hundred
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Speaker 12 (58:10):
Hello, Matthew, Oh, good afternoon, And I figured but you
can get a pre game Duncan maybe get a Boston
game for the games. Good idea.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
I love Duncan there. You go as to.

Speaker 12 (58:20):
Number two is yeah, regardless of just when Drake May starts,
which maybe week eight or so, it is possibly could
be the last Bookie standing mentally and physically from the
twenty twenty four class. I feel like Williams and Daniels
and Makes may have more wounds of lick this offseason.
And also with the trade down argument, just as my
follow up to that, I've argued with this some people

(58:42):
at work. It's not a question of why we should
have traded down, why the teams wanted to trade up
to you look at May and his Hard Knocks interview
with the Giants. This way he mentally processed the things
he's like. It doesn't come offten. So those are my
two questions, though they get out there.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
Thanks for the calling Matt, who brings up a good
point about the ray down scenario. There were people who
wanted him and specifically, you know, whatever we were able
to gather intel wise from that Hard Knock series with
the Giants, they look like they were interested in him.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
They liked the kid.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I mean I said it. I don't know, so why
not sometime in and pick sometime in March before the
owner's meeting. You know, I think he's worth missing on.
If Drake May doesn't work out, I think he's worth
I mean we saw him play this summer, the way
he's assimilating into the system, His athleticism, I mean, you know,
the caller talked about his mind. A little bit of
that was on display in Hard Knocks. I can't really
speak extensively to that. The coaches could, but just physically,

(59:34):
I mean we said it one hundred times of Paul
during practice. It's like, it's just so nice to watch
a kid who can just think fling the ball and
it's you know, going sixty yards on a rope. So
those those kind of things, the athleticism outside the pocket,
the ability to run and pick his spots. It's there's
no physical short comedies with Drake May, and I'm excited
when he does get in there. There was enough this
summer to be really intriguing with him.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
What did you guys think of the headline this week
of I think it was a nic Yang who asked
Drod Mayo, are their plans to sign another veteran quarterback?
Just because you know Jacoby Brissett is taking all these
hits if he gets hurt, Is there a worry that
you have to put Drake May in?

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I mean I just go for it, like force your hand.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
And that's I mean. I think they told you that
when they cut Bailey's appy exactly right, you had that
guy already. I don't really understand. You know, they just
played them last week. Obviously they're Good're comfortable playing them.
Like to me, that was if you had reservations about
the offensive line and not exposing your young rookie quarterback
to undo physicality, you would not have put him in

(01:00:35):
to mop up in that game, because that was to me,
and you better hope this is the case rock bottom,
Like you could not even stop. You weren't even like
a speed bump on the way to the quarterback in
that game. And they put him in that game. So
that tells me they don't have those reservations.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Be bad sign I mean, that was just it would
it would kind of make me sick if they went
out and signed a veteran and you know, like me,
because that would signal to you it ain't happening this year.
I mean to me, at least it's a very small
vote of confidence, but I see it as a as
a vote of confidence.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
Is that a necessary question to ask? Or did they
already tell us that by Paul what she saw?

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
I mean, that's that's my answer. But you know, to me,
there's no I I say this all the time, like
people criticize us all the time for asking dumb questions
that we all do. We all do. There's almost no
dumb questions like ask. You never know what they're going
to say. Correct, you never know what they're going to say.

(01:01:31):
Ask it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
Well, this is I don't think it was a dumb question. No, okay,
so this isn't a dumb question. But I'm I'm a
little confused by the question that came to us via
podcast at Patriots dot Com from Travis in West Virginia. Hello, friends,
As Jim Nance would say, should spinning the dial really
be a viable strategy for coaches who are making millions
of dollars?

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
What do you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
What do you mean? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I don't understand context.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
You're with me, I don't understand it. I mean, I
think if we're talking about spinning the dial in football terms,
we're talking about trying to be multiple. Aren't we here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Doing a lot of different things?

Speaker 7 (01:02:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Which I think that's what your job is as a coach,
to spin the dial, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I mean I would I would. I mean, I'll answer
the question the way I might. I'm going to take
it is defensively. I mean, I would relate it to
having defensively to spin the dial on defense every time,
and you know, not being able to consistently produce a
pass rush with four guys, you know, dot having players
that can win one on one matchups. I think that's
a concern, you know, but I also think that if

(01:02:32):
you're successful, it's a sign of a good defensive coordinator.
If you're able to take a defense that can't win
those one on one matchups and have a successful defense
even though you know you don't have those pieces, you're
able to confuse quarterbacks or at least put the offense
enough on their heels that you're able to be disruptive.
But I mean, that's my big worry today is that
the forty nine ers are going to kind of do
what the Jets did and what they did back in
twenty twenty. They're going to get this Patriots defense on

(01:02:54):
their heels and then they're just going to kind of
toy with them. When you know they overplay the run,
they're going to pass it behind them, and it's you know,
it's going to be a long day.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Start fast, create some turnovers. That's a prescription to stay
in this game and win it. Uh eight five five
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Speaker 12 (01:03:16):
Hey, thank you.

Speaker 19 (01:03:17):
This might be a dumb question, but this is about Brissette.
I'm wondering if he was slightly better or markedly better,
would it make any difference or is it just everything
else is so flu bard that it really doesn't matter
for this year and we just got to.

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
Suck it up and deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Love the question, Chad, thank you for the quarterback was
markedly better?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
It would make everything look better, right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean in the perfect world, you'd like
to be sending Drake May into an offense that has
some confidence. But I don't know. I think Drew Pobe's
Brissette has been you know, kind of what you expected,
almost to like an annoying level of yeah, he's not
really turning the ball over, but he's not really doing anything.
I mean that negative.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
You know, I feel like there's no real level of
an aptitude that would make a great quarterback not help
a team like I don't know if I've seen that,
you know, like a team that's so bad that even
the best quarterback play can't help you. Now, I'm not
telling you that Tom Brady could win a super Bowl

(01:04:19):
regardless of the talent level we saw. There's a difference
between fourteen and two and twelve and four, you know,
the twelve and fours that you were very upset with Mike.
But yeah, I'm joking, but yeah, that was talent, you know.
In nineteen Nikhil Harry Mohammed Sanu, you know, is basically Edelman,
you know, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah, but he's still great.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
So he still won twelve.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Games, right, So I mean, I'm no quarterback whisper here,
but you know, what would you say has been the
knock through three games on Jacoby who has been getting
knocked around a lot. And the only thing that I
would say, again as the lay person here, is that
there's a tendency maybe to hold onto the ball a
little too.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Soce he holds the ball, missed a few laps, missed
a couple of throws. Now there was one real good
you know, the one that we talked about last week
with Austin Hooper on the second down play deep crossball.
You know, talk talking to some people, uh he Hooper.
Hooper stumbled coming out of his root on that play.

(01:05:19):
So it maybe wasn't on, Jacoby said, as much as
it may have appeared. So I don't think he's been
great by any means, but you know, I don't think
he's been the number one problem with Yould and he's
been put it that way.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
And he's certainly been winning over his teammates and the
staff and everything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
For his toughness.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
I mean, I think everybody to a person has been marveling.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
That's I mean, throw everything else out the window. You
just got to say, this guy has done everything you've
asked of him to do, to take the hits, to
keep getting up, to have you know, positive outlook. I mean,
he's managed all these questions about Drake May and all
those things. He's handled all that really well. So regardless
of the performer, it's the one and two record. It's
just you got to take your hat off to the

(01:06:02):
guy for what he's been able to do.

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
So we're a little more than an hour before kickoff
in Santa Clair, California, where the one and two Patriots
traveled to take on the one and two San Francisco
forty nine ers. Is a bit of a surprise. I
want to throw it a little esoteric idea out to Paul.
Teased him this before he went on the air. Not
a huge sample size, but we're in week four, scoring down,

(01:06:25):
passing yards down. Now. Scoring might be up a little
bit this week as maybe the extension of preseason has
started to wear up for a lot of teams. What
are we seeing for the reasons for that, Mike, do
you think?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:06:37):
Is it the old shell? You too deep safety?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I don't know. In my opinion, I think this is
the conversation that we probably won't be having at the
end of the season. I think the offenses will start
to kick in the gear and you know, I don't know.
I see it more as just an anomaly, maybe a
little bit more related to how the game has evolved
in terms of training camp in summer and joint practices
and all that stuff. Lack of tackling. I think that's
as big of a piece. But I just I always

(01:07:01):
try to tell myself, and this is usually like an
individual stats thing, but I generally just try not to
look at stats or trends till four weeks. Get four
weeks under, and then we can maybe start to talk about,
you know, things that are trending certain way, but you know,
after three weeks to jump in and this is how
the league has changed, and it's gonna be impossible that
don't I don't really buy it yet, but we'll see
how it kind of develops.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Yeah, I mean I think definitely. And I know you
being half sarcastic Matt with the with the too deep
shell and all that, but I do think that that's
part of it. And I think that what opposing defenses
have figured out is a way to at least slow
things down. I think there are a lot of different factors.

(01:07:41):
It's a four year trend, right that the points are
going down, correct passing yards are going down, But I
don't really necessarily think it's because the offenses aren't working
as well and the defenses are playing better. I think
they're just making you go the long way more consistently.
And part of it is and I read I read

(01:08:02):
a story I think Bill, No, that wasn't Bill barn Well.
Someone wrote you don't have the patience to read Bill
barn I absolutely do not, But I like to like
read the little bold type before we get into a
dot and whatnot. That's average depth of targets ridiculous. But anyway,

(01:08:24):
I don't think that opposing offensive coll I don't think
offensive coordinator's taking off shots. I think that you need
to throw the ball downfield and make plays and back
people off. But I think if you really look at it,
Mike and I did a little like tiny tiny research.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
You did the research.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
So scoring is down, punting's not up. So there's two
things to me. One, it's taking too long for teams
to score, which is shortening the game. And two, no
one wants to kick a field goal anymore, so that's
taking points off the board too. So so the nerds
you're to go for it on fourth down, and I

(01:09:02):
think that that is helping teams have one play to
prevent points. If I can make one play on fourth down.
And what's up sex quarterback sacks. You make one play
and you can get off the field and not allow
any points, whereas that would be you know, you make
that one play to stop a drive in the red zone.

(01:09:22):
That's three. Now it's zero because no one's kicking field
goals unless they're like fifty eight yards. That's the irony
is field goals themselves are up, but there are so
many chip shot field goals that aren't getting kicked anymore.
But punting, you know, and again very small. Like Mike said,
it's three weeks, right, Punting is not up. Punting is
slightly down. And I used twenty twenty because that was

(01:09:46):
the apex of the scoring. They're punting less often than
they did in twenty twenty through three games, so I
don't know that I can say that's because of great defense.
If they're not punting, no one's stopping you. It's just
look at the Jets last week, seven plus minutes, seven
plus minutes, seven plus, you can only get twenty one points.

(01:10:07):
That was the max because the game was over.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
Well, the analytics apartments poll still need to get paid
even though it's only a three week sample size, so
they got to spin out the numbers somehow someway, right, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Yeah, I mean I just I wonder too, and this
is I'm just kind off the cuff here, but I
just wonder if if overall quarterback plays is a little
bit down based.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
On completion perc up really, which is another like take
the safe everything is Johnny checked down r you know,
because I think that the defenses have made everything go
in front of them and it's working because it's slowing
you down, which is which that style Paul is playing into.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
What I think the Patriots want to do on offense
is shorten the game, drive the link to the field.
Can they not make mistakes and keep the ball away
from the other team for a significant amount of time
so that they can stay in the game and win
the game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Well, the Patriots dominated time of possession the first two games, correct,
you know. Now, in the second game it was because
Seattle scored so fast. Wasn't necessarily because they were holding
the ball. It was because the other team didn't need it,
just didn't need it long to score. In the Jets game,
the Jets didn't need it for a long time to score.

(01:11:17):
But you know, my buddy on my show, Mike Felger,
you know, goes on this to me ridiculous rant about
the college offense, and you know, talk about it sounded
like the old guy, you know, yelling at the clouds.
You know, in my day, we didn't have these mickey
mouse college offense they work. Those are the same offenses
that set the record in twenty twenty. It's the same

(01:11:39):
thing like when was Jalen Hurts His most effense was
like two years ago? Right? Is that not a college offense?
Or did you know maybe you know, things slow down
a little bit so it's not necessarily about just too deep.
I think it's about a mentality offensively, stay safe, throw

(01:12:02):
it underneath, run after catch, you know, and we're gonna
do it that way. And I think that lowers the points.
How many times Mike you and I talk about the
running game? Lowers the points?

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, I mean, do you think that if you're Kansas City,
you like that? Or are you saying we're gonna bide
our time until we can start cooking with it, because
I mean they don't really seem to care. They seem
like they'll just what do you want to do? Yeah,
we'll do that. We can we have my homes, we
can play whatever. You want him to check it down
one hundred times, he'll do it. But I just wonder
if there are some teams that need to play that way,
you know, and like just like Eagles might be a

(01:12:34):
good example of that as a team that just like
when you're not getting the big explosive plays and your receivers,
your big receivers aren't eating and they're not feeling involved
in the game. If that, you know, it not only
takes you out of the game that way, but it's
also you're starting to feel some tension on the sidelines
because your guys want the ball and they you know,
so it kind of starts a snowball on you a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
I do think we're also not focusing in it is
a small sample size. These teams are now coming up
on the quarterpole. We're after four games. I think these
coaching staffs are all smartenough to know, all right, what
do we have here? You know, the injuries have hit
us here, they've hit us here. What are we going
to do? And they know who they are? And I
think that's now going forward, I think we're gonna get
a better sense of who these teams are. And I

(01:13:13):
think we've heard it for many years that coaches. Let's
it's the old extensionive preseason. Yes, but let's look at
four games and see what we got after a quarter
of the season, and what exactly are we I think
you've mentioned the word patients a couple times. Let's see
how that develops over this first four week period.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, I mean four weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
You know that is I said it. This week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I'm just like, I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time
getting all flustered right now after three games, Like you know,
it is a rebuild, I mean, and maybe part of
that is you just like protecting your biggest piece and
like you still like, I don't know, maybe Drake may
is like the best player in the history of the league.
We haven't seen him play it. You can't tell me
I'm wrong. So there's always a certain part of like
protecting that unknown because once he gets in there, you'll

(01:13:56):
you'll start to see the good and the bad as
you're seeing with the other rookie quarterbacks. But know, at
this point, I'm still I'm still pretty patient. But we'll
see over the next four weeks or so.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
It's closing in on the three o'clock hour here on
the East Coast, which means you've got about one more
hour before football takes place and the four o'clock window
opens up when the Patriots take on San Francisco. That's
on the Fox television network this week, which is a
little bit of an oddity.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
I have justin fields down by contact on this play. Oh,
I came to it late, had us four arm on
the ground. Be curious to see if they overturned out
and replay my first red zone China.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
Is that a normal thing, do you?

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Yeah, Poli red zone?

Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
Yeah, how many times a pregame show.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Well, we don't always do four o'clock games where it's
all one o'clock games on the red zone, but I
like to do that from time to time. I come
it from red zone. Has used to enjoy it. Watch
this right here when he's down. Now he gets himself
up and his left forearm down on the ground. Yeah,
it's down, should be down by contact right there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Paul is watching it at their red zone. He's checking out.

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
Looks like we're on a round.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
He's watching the plays from some modern games.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
That's when the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Shock gets really name that sound. No, Paul's watching the
red zone, hearty.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
That's that's outstanding. That that is truly outstanding, good production.
Love it. How good news is u bo Nix is
over the over the Mendoza lineup. He's now throwing for
sixteen yards. WHOA certainly not on that play.

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
But doesn't he have the That's what I'm looking here for. Sorry,
the elements aren't in his favorite today.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
No, it's it's I mean, it's sick. Nothing in the game.
So obviously the Jets aren't throwing it all over the
place either. You would think Rogers would be a little
bit more. I know. That's why we're not there, Mike.
So I have no idea. No, but it is a monsoon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
It's just tough on these TV, these high tech TVs.
You think you'd be able to see the weather a
little bit better, but I mean you look at it.
Their jerseys are wet, but I can't see I can't
see any rain or win. But you know me, Paul,
I don't. I'm worried about the weather until we actually
see the weather, and then I'm like, it doesn't like
that bad.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
As we're watching a little bit of the Paul's red
Zone here and we see that Cincinnati might get off
the Schneid as they're taking it to Carolina. I go
back to a quote that I read from Devon Godchild
this week, where you know, you wonder these guys listening
what's going on outside, and he going, hey, Carolina went
in last week. Nobody gave him a chance to win
the game.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
You know, that's why they played for the people that
picked them.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
That's that's why they play the game.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Do you believe that that?

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
Do you believe that that's a rallying cry this week?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Mike, I think early on in the season, that's what
you tell yourself. I mean, it's you know, you still
hold on to that because late in the season you
kind of know who you are, and you know those
upsets are fewer and few as you I think as
you get longer into the season and you start to
know who you are and teams separate themselves. But you know,
at this point it's it's I mean, we've seen a
little bit of surprising results here today, and I still

(01:17:01):
think we're getting a beat on it. It's just the
bottom line for me is that you've got a very
banged up Patriots team. Their most beleaguered position group is
even more banged up and they're going to start another guy,
and their defense is really banged up too, and how
are they going to reverse kind of the last couple
of weeks of losing guys to injury and you know,
losing to the Jets and you know, really the first

(01:17:21):
big adversity that this team has faced. So I just,
like I said, even in a loss, I just hope
it's a scrappy effort that they you know, continue to
fight and and maybe they just at least make it interesting.
That's kind of my bottom bottom bar to clear hopefully today.
But you know, they're up against it today.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
And I know what they're trying to do, and I
think Girod is trying to tell them, like, you know, listen,
we know how badly we played last week, and we
know we're playing in San Francisco this week, but like,
is Carolina beating the Raiders? Like is that what you're
trying to use? Like again, I know what he's trying
to do, but like that's not even an upset. I mean,
there's two bad teams playing each other, and when someone's

(01:17:57):
got to win more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Based on the previous weeks we're results, and then that's
this But like still.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
You know I don't know, Like, if you want to
tell me, like the Raiders beating Baltimore two weeks ago,
that that would qualify for me. No, no one thought
the Raiders were going to beat Baltimore in Baltimore and
they did. Like, that's the one I would have leaned on.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
Mike. I assume you're pursuing the twitter out there, and
I'm wondering if we've seen any first offensive line groupings
as they're warming up, how do you see the line
U shaping up with So probably in at left guard.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
What do you think that looks like left to right today?

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Yeah, I have a feeling So is going to be
in there. I have not seen any updates here yet
as I'm looking for any of that. Letty mean Levett, Yeah, yeah,
he'd probably be the next guy in, but it'd be
good if if So can get I mean, I'm not
trying to tell you that I think it's it's gonna
be great. I don't really know how it's going to
be with him, but he is the guy that they
had in there for most of the summer, so they

(01:18:54):
have some belief in him. I think the biggest question
is just who's can Wallace do and and does Jacob's
have to you know supplement that does does Jacobs even start?
I mean as Wallace kind of the reserve guy, like
Paul said last week, does does Levertt become maybe the
sixth offensive lineman? I mean, I could I could see
some of that based on you know what our what
are our guest said earlier in the show, Jennifer said

(01:19:15):
that that maybe they will try to get back to
a little bit more of that that six offensive lineman.
But they couldn't really do it last week, and it's
hard to see them being able to do it this week.
You know, with with with even thin.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
Dewn and the game got out of hand a little
bit last week. Use I think that might have taken
the element out of it. Regardless of whether he starts
or not. Don't you think Waltas is going to be
on some sort of a pitch count. You know, they
can't expect him to go wire to wire this week,
can they?

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
If he's like healthy enough to play, I would start
him like if he's not, I like, he's just an
emergency guy. I agree with you now like black and white,
like he's not a better option than Demontre Jacobs to
play if he were healthy. I got to think he's
not healthy now.

Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
And then I do think on the other side, I
think I think there needs to be some more consistency
out of Big Mic.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
You know, I think that you know, they.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Paid him, that's fair, David Andrews team the guy.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
He's their guy. I think they need to be able
to look at that side of the line and say,
here's two guys that we feel like we can run behind.
We should be able to get positive yards behind these guys.
Let's go and attack it right now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Total those two, those two need to be better and
let you rely on though they're the best too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
And let's see Ladon Robinson start to make some strides.
And you know, he's he's gotten some positive feedback throughout
the you know, the first couple of months that he's
been here, but the wheels have to meet the road
at some point where you keep telling us it's going
to get better. He's been consistently in there, He's gotten
a lot of reps. I mean, I don't know, probably
a Midway training camp. He kind of emerged having him
in there for these all these games, like, let's start

(01:20:40):
to see something from him. A little bit more consistency,
a little better communication along the line. I know David
Andrews last week was dealing with some stuff. Tough matchup,
but it's it's another tough matchup today.

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
But hard Graves out, as Paul mentioned at the top
of the show, and I think that that's a huge
lift for the Patriots. Paul, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
I'm sorry, I don't know this.

Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
Do they move Bosha around the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Or is he a one side guy? I don't really know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
He'll go, he'll go y, Yeah, yeah, they'll move him
around a little bit. And I'm sure who who's ever
is that left tackle is gonna going to see some
of him for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
Yeah, I would leave him at a when you I like,
if I'm the Niners, I like that matchup, my speed,
athletic guy against the big guy who's kind of a
guard playing tackle, Whereas I don't. I mean, I'm not
telling you that I know anything about Jacobs because I
don't dematre Jacobs. I mean, I mean that's all that
male could say about He's a big guy, Like I mean,

(01:21:32):
I don't know what else. I don't know much about him,
but I mean I just leave Leondard Floyd over there
and have him do that. I don't know, Like, to me,
Nick Bosa is a guy that is going to need
to be accounted for. I mean, not really saying anything
out of school.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Interesting, interesting scouting report there, Paul, that's a block him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Believes like I think the Eagles may have just gotten
a two point turn on a pat that could be
could be significant in that game red zone. Paul added
again thirty to sixteen Tampa, that they block an extra
point here and return it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:11):
Paul, if the Patriot's strength is Wallace and Big Mike
and Bosa's on the left side of the forty nine
ers defensive line, do you still dial it up and say,
let's go, Let's just run it right at him. Your
strength the right side against Bosa and run it right
at Bosa.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
I would run at Bosa. Yes, I don't know what
the Patriots strength is though.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
I well, with a banged up offensive line, their right
side appears to be would you would think would be
stronger than we, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Mike said, like, they're getting so back, that's like the
projected starter is back. You should be healthier, you know,
and with the other four you're missing the left tackle
because you don't have one right now, the other four guys.
This is as good a situation as you like on
paper that you've had, right because so we're starting over,
Michael Jordan. So you have so Andrews Robinson and when

(01:23:08):
that's what you wanted to start with, yep, So there
you go. So to your point, Matt, line up, run
the tall and let's see what happens. Let's see what happens.

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(01:27:13):
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and so maybe without further ado, as one o'clock games
are in full force, let's go to our over Unders.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Matt, It's time for this week's edition of over Unders.

Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
First up San Francisco forty nine er passing yard specifically
Brock Purty Purty Purty. Brock is twenty eight and a
half to twenty eight and a half. Paul, you'll kick
things off, please.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Uh, I'm gonna take the over on brock Perties twenty
to twenty eight and a half. I think there's some
big plays coming for the Niners today.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I think that's a good number. I think the forty
nine ers. The run game is really what scares me.
I feel like that's where that the production will come.
But I think two twenty it's low enough. I'm gonna
go over to three.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
For three on the over for two twenty eight and
a half Romandre Stevenson rushing yards this week. DraftKings has
that number at fifty two point five, fifty two and
a half for Romandre Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
I like that.

Speaker 14 (01:28:20):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go over. I like Romandre for
a little bit of a bounce back week. I think
we'll break fifty two and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
I concur.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Tow on the over there, Paul, I will take the under.
I think this is gonna be similar as last week,
and the run game is not going to be able
to continue to pound away, So I'll take de under.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
Do you think there will be more of an emphasis
on trying to pound it away?

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Paul, yep, just no success. Well, they might have some success,
but I think they're gonna fall behind.

Speaker 6 (01:28:51):
Okay, and then hence have to scrap the run game, correct, Okay? Uh,
longest touchdown yards thirty seven and a half is the
number here. I'll kick things off and go under. No
big plays, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Yeah, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go under two.
I think, uh, the trend will continue. Keep everything in
front of you, ye, Paul, I will take the over
on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
I think we'll get a big play, Okay, I like
the outlier, Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
Total touchdowns for both teams four and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Paul m carry the line off five touchdowns. I'm gonna
take the under.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
On that, hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:29:42):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Uh, I'm gonna go I'll go over on it or not.
Let's get crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:29:48):
Let's go under for myself. As we've switched to total
punts nine and a half in the Golden Age of punting, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
I thought this was an exciting one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
It's a lot of punts. But as Paul informed us
on the pregame show, punting has stayed the same. So
I'm gonna say under under.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
Just how many times the Niners are punted this year?
I have no idea. Just take a guess. Seven five. Wow, five. Okay, James,
you're gonna tell me to bury the under on this, Paul.
For the same reason I'm taking the under and the touchdowns,
I'm taking the under on the punts. Okay, would you
take Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
That's it the under under here, Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:30:30):
I love the fact that you keeping score over your Paul,
all right, and last you have to because really all right, last,
but not least. It's a total score where the number
is forty one, and I'm gonna choose to go under
on forty one.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
I take the under also, very very slightly. I have
a twenty seven to thirteen final.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Yeah, I'm under two. Same same neighborhood as PAULI.

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
What's that the under neighborhood?

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
You know the score? Yeah, I wonder neighborhood.

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
All right, you're watching warm ups going on in Santa Clara.
I love that side on passed by Drake. Maybe, but
maybe that's just me. I know that it's in vogue
with Mahomes and maybe even Rogers. They like to spin
it like that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
Well, I think some of those quick quick screens, quick
outs like that, that's how they want to throw them.
I don't I don't know why. I can't tell you,
you know, I have any scientific research as to why
they do that, But a lot of quarterbacks throw that past.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
Like that because it's easy to get out. Let's let's
change getting knocked out at the line.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
I think it's a chance to throw it around a
guy who might be in the world all right. I
think again, have never necessarily talked about it with with anyone,
but I see a lot of quarterbacks throw that pass
that way. Yeah, you know, quick, you know, snap ball, bang,
it's out and sir, maybe it's quicker. But I also
think it gives them an opportunity to maybe throw it

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around somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
It seems like that a lot of the summer with
with Drake.

Speaker 6 (01:32:05):
Does it seem odd that this is just the second
time that the Patriots have played at Levi Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
I was there for the first one, actually met. Yeah,
that was started raining on me. Luckily I have my slicker.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
I was buried.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
But it was kind of weird day. I remember like
rain for a little while and the sun came out
as we were walking out of the stadium. Yes, I
am thank you. Uh remember a great Tom Brady, one
of the one of the one of the signature Tom
Brady Throws. I feel like on his highlights him to
Malcolm Mitchell was.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
Just going to say, was the underrated, sneaky.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Patriot now just everybody around him, and he gunned it
in there. But it was a great time out there.
A lot of a lot of nice forty nine er fans,
had some good tailgates. So, yeah, miss one of the
few stadiums that I've never been in.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
It was fine.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
I mean, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
It was you know, I kind of isolated outside, you know,
I didn't know what I thought going in. It was
in San Francisco, but a little bit of a drive right.

Speaker 6 (01:32:57):
Outside makes Foxborough feel like Milton from right far away. Yeah,
you know, And I was looking this. That's really the
I think it's the only time Tom played there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Not there, Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
Matt never played it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
They played there, you know. Yeah, never played in.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Oakland and played there once.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
That's that's a kind of an interesting Wait.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Wait, Tom never played in Oakland. In Oakland? He played
didn't he play in Oakland? Like an oak Oh two?
Maybe that was the only game they played in O two?
That was a loss of two. Oh yeah, that was
a Monday night game. Yep, Kevin fucked kickoff return for
touchdown to that guy. Yeah, yeah, And I think Bruski
had an interception return for a touchdown on a ball
that went off a guy's foot on the ground, like

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the ball like literally the foot was on the ground
and it just hit the foot came up in there
and in Bruski caught the deflection.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
The original Julian anim.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
My Dad on the Oakland two thousand and two.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
But I mean, you think of it, for all those
years in the NFL that he played for the Patriots,
only twice going back to the area where he grew up,
that's kind of interesting, at least it's interesting to me.
Podcast at Patriots dot com is how you can reach
us via electronic mail. This in from Harry and Connecticut.
What is your ideal Jacoby Brissette stat line that could
possibly lead to a win today? Mine would be seventeen

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for twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Five for two, ten in a touch I think it
might need him little more than that, but I mean,
I love this seems to throw like three touchdowns?

Speaker 15 (01:34:24):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Can I get crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
I would crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Three hundred yards and three touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
No picks, But I would I would say completion presentags
like that, but three touchdowns. I agree with Mike, you've
got to get points a win.

Speaker 6 (01:34:33):
They haven't thrown too.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
They haven't thrown for over two hundred yards in three games, correct,
they averaged like one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Right, Yeah, it's not strong stats.

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
Yeah, I mean it's a nice stat line, but I
think they're gonna need more from him. They're gonna need
either more from him there or a monster rushing performance
in a dominant time of possession performance to win the game.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
I mean, it's it's most likely if the Patriots are
gonna win, it's it's gonna be a flawless performance by them.
And arguably, you know, they have to be able to
throw the ball more than they have even in you know,
when they did win in Week one, So you know
what it should probably look like, I think, I mean
the crazy thing would be if they they were to
win and it didn't look exactly like that. They overcame
some mistakes, they made some big plays. They you know,

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had to pick six themselves. Like those kind of plays
are you know, I think the defense needs to needs
to force some turnovers too. I mean that's a you know,
I think that's a big problem when you're not getting
a lot of good pass rush, a lot of you know,
consistent pressure up the middle, forcing hurried throws. I mean,
brock Purty doesn't make a lot of mistakes, so it's
really going to be hard to take him off his game.
He seems very comfortable in that offense. He is comfortable

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throwing it to any of his receivers and guys that
catch the ball around him. So it's a it's a
really really tough task today to get him off of
his game and make him make mistakes.

Speaker 6 (01:35:45):
And haven't mentioned this yet so far in the pregame show,
but safe to say that in order for a Patriot's
victory today, San Francisco's got to play the role of
co conspirator, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
They Probably a little bit for sure. And that's why
I'm going to mention like a you know, a pick
six kind of thing, a little bit of unexpected mistakes
from brock Purty. Those kind of things, you know, is
Deebo Samuel a little rusty and you know they punched
the ball off from him. I mean, that's those are
the kind of plays you're gonna you're gonna need.

Speaker 16 (01:36:06):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's a tall task because I
think I think a lot of the Niners, and I
think when teams that are really talented are in trouble,
they respond and generally, and you know, it's not like
a team that thinks it might be getting better. It's
a team that expects to be playing in February, and
when they're one and two at home against an inferior opponent,

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they generally come to play. And that's what I would
expect today from from San Francisco. It's not going to
be easy. I agree with you, guys. If it's going
to happen, you're gonna need some help, I think from
San Francisco. If it's a clean game from San Francisco,
I don't know how many matchups you're lining up and
winning now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
And you'd hope that that part of your fast star
for the Patriots might include a slow star for the
Niners and maybe some frustration from them and you know, like, oh, man,
like what are we doing? We're at home?

Speaker 7 (01:36:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
And even then though with the quality of often that
this team has, there's no lead that's going to be
safe for the Patriots. They got to be ready to
run at the whole you know, run play well the
whole game.

Speaker 6 (01:37:06):
We talk a lot about spots, Paul, and I think
earlier in the week, you know, when we saw who
might not be playing for San Francisco, Oh, that this
guy might be out, this guy's hurt. They had this
guy out last week, and we're thinking maybe they caught
him in a good spot.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
I think this is a lousy spot for the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
I think they're catching a team that are very talented,
defending NFC champions, prideful team who are pissed that they've
lost two games, and I think they're going to look
to take that out on.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
Some couldn't agree more. I think it's it's a terrible
spot for the Patriots for the reasons that we we
just talked about, Like this is a team that wants
to be in the in the picture, you know, in
the late playoff pitcher, and you can't go one in
three and lose games to the Patriots, and and you know,
like the that lost last week to the Rams was

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a terrible love give way.

Speaker 7 (01:37:53):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
So, Mike, that being said, what is realistic for Gerardmeo
to expect from his troops today?

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
Fight?

Speaker 14 (01:38:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
I mean I think that's the bottom line, to see
a team that goes out there and doesn't beat themselves.
I mean, you know, look, it's one thing to say
you have to execute the perfect you know, formula for victory,
but it's also just like, you know, we're not turning
the ball over, we're not having stupid mistakes, like this
is a very good forty nine ers team. There are
plenty of scenarios I can imagine where the Patriots don't
win this game, but you feel like, all right, you know,
they gave them more of a game than maybe people

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would have given them credit for, and they fought hard
for all sixty minutes and you know, made some plays,
showed some progress maybe in the passing game will be
really nice to see. But I think at the end,
maybe in the postgame show, we're going to be focusing
on the Patriots, what they did well, how their season
kind of is progressing, what they're building on, you know,
rather than hopefully it's not just San Francisco out there

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toying with them doing what they want up and down
the field. The Patriots kind of, you know, fold up
the tent and get ready to fly back crossroun it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
By the way. That's no means saying that there wasn't
fight at the Jersey Metal Lands, you know when they
played on Thursday. I think there was there was just
too much bad football in there that they produced, yeah,
to kind of overcome anything, to even give yourself a
chance or a puncher's chance to be a playerway or something.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
I didn't think there was much fight, I I really,
I mean, I'm not like, I don't use the word
quit in roll like that kind of stuff, like people
throw that stuff around way too often. But they got
all played on the first drive of the game, and
they got all played in the last drive of the game.
There was nothing that changed. I thought for sixty minutes
they got dominated. So I didn't think there was like
to Mike's point, like I don't want to see that

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today if they're going to lose the game, don't you know,
can there at least be periods of the game where
you look like you're the you're you know, you're playing well.
You you look like you're better than you know, you
know what I'm saying, Like you have a good drive,
Like yeah, Pitch just had no drives in that game,
not one right right, you know? And I don't think
they had any real good defensive series in the game

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where they just like went out and stopped them three
and out.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Like yep.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
I would like to see a little bit better at
performance than that. So in the Jets, you know, or
in a dog fight wh the Broncos down seven to six,
you know, is the second you know, the fly I
think the fourth quarter is getting set to get underway there, Yeah,
late third quarter. So it's not like you played against
the Niners last week. You know, the Jets are trying
to figure out how to be a good team, you know,

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and I didn't really think there was much. They didn't
offer much there.

Speaker 6 (01:40:20):
Rogers challenged that Jets team this week, Let's see how
we do it with a little prosperity. You know, how
are we going to feel about ourselves after we've won
a couple of games.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Yeah, he was funny though, I mean he just says,
you know, we lose, it's all the same old Jets.
We win, we're going to the super Bowl. I mean,
it's just it's a again, it's a tough I mean,
every team's got it tough, but that's a tough market
and he's well aware of you know, but you're seeing
Bonix just you know, leading them down the field again
scoring the time.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
I mean, they've give it up about thirty yards of
passing and they're losing. Yeah, you know, like that's I mean,
I know I make fun of the fans that say
this other, but that's Jets like you. This is like
when I saw the weather of that game this morning,
I said to myself, that will be a tractor pule
because that's what the Jets do. Wasn't an paul a
little bit?

Speaker 16 (01:41:01):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
And that's what the Jets do. Anything to glom onto,
to not have anything the way they want it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
Absolutely, We're closing in on a little over thirty minutes
before kick and Santa Clara between the Patriots and the
San Francisco forty nine ers. I want to get back
to that. And just as we're talking about what the
expectations that Gerrod Mayo has for his team, we talked
about how the extra Monday practice was all about the Patriots.
Is today's game kind of sort of the same thing,

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Like they have a game plan offensively, they've got a
game plane defensively in special teams, but is it a
question to see, let's see what we got here. I
want to see how my team responds. And it's less
about of course you want to cover Deebo Samuel, but
you want to compete against Deebo Samuel.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
Yeah, the roster situation isn't a fair fight as it's
constituted on paper, and they know that. So let's go
out there and see if we can show them something
that maybe they didn't know about us.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
So just like you know, you can see, like the
steam come out of my ears, like you can't why
you're scoring down? Because it's fourth and fourth and goal
from inside the five and instead of taking a field
goal to tie a game, Jacksonville runs a quarterback draw.
I get stopped, you get no points. So why are
scoring down? Well, the other team just marched the ball
eighty yards down the field that got inside the five

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yard line. So I'm sorry if I'm not going to
tell you the defense is just caught up to the offenses.
You know, like that you continue Doug Peterson's one of
those guys that doesn't like kicking field goals. You continue
to leave points on the field. That's what happens. That's
why points are down.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Joe Flacco doing Joe Flak, ninety.

Speaker 6 (01:42:36):
Seven year old Joe Flacco. They just that's a second time.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
That's a second touchdown, by the way, more than Anthony,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
But what a funny I mean, I mean, I used
to hate Joe Flacco is because he was good with
the Ravens, but now.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
I kind of like they got a sack touchdown. He's
a tremendous story, Joe Flack.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
All right, Matt, let's let's hit the Sunday six pack.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
This is the Sunday six pack, so kick back and
listen up. Position up.

Speaker 14 (01:43:00):
It's going to get the bits back. You better bring
a big sack, get it mixed jack game to win again.

Speaker 6 (01:43:04):
This is the Sunday sixth bad all right. A quick
perusal of the standings, Paul shows that you induce her
in a tie under five hundred and seven ten and one,
and the new kid on the block is at ten
to seven in one.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
Yeah. I mean, that's just like you're winning the over
unders to you. You can lost over that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
You can blindfold anybody and just throw darts. That's what
that tells me.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
The host is dominating in both in both of our
little competitions.

Speaker 6 (01:43:31):
The four PM games signs.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Now that never happened my party.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
I feel shamed, Sons.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
The Patriots will start in Arizona, where Jade and Daniels
and the two and one Commanders visit Kyle Murray and
the Arizona Cardinals, where the Cardinals are three.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
And a half point favorites. Paul, I like the Cardinals
in this game. I really like what I saw from
Jad and Daniels last week, and I think he has
some some ability, and I'm you know, I'm really looking
forward to seeing him continue to play. I think this
is one of those kind of predictable, not a really
good team national spotlight, unbelievable performance. Everybody's patting him on

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the back. Don't forget's a short week. Now, it's a
short week and you go out to Arizona and you're like, oh,
wi's up quote unquote supposed to win this one. I
think the Cardinals will win.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Michael, Yeah, No, Cliff Kingsbury revenge game for me either.
I'll take Arizona in this one.

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
Yeah. This one seems to be Taylor made to suggest
that the Commanders will be feeling very good about themselves
at four o'clock and maybe not so good about themselves.
At seven o'clock, I like the Cardinals. Next, the defending
Super Bowl Kansas City chief Champions, looking at three PTE
at three and zero at a very banged up Los
Angeles Chargers team where Kansas City is a road favorite

(01:44:48):
as giving seven.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Mike, Yeah, I don't. I'm not sure what Justin Herbert's
doing trying to play. Yeah, you should.

Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
You're saying he should sit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
So I don't agree with that decision. I think you
should protect him. It's a long season that i'm gonna take.
I'm gonna take Case and this one there there, I'm
going with them until they until they lose.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
They know how to win. Paul, Yeah, I will take
the Chiefs as well, not only that they're playing Herbert,
which I don't know if that's the wisest course, but
without without all Alton Slater like it's two tackles. Yeah,
I think Kansas City will keep it going and.

Speaker 6 (01:45:22):
Let's count me in as a big Chiefs win in
that one as well. Last, at four o'clock, we look
at where this should be a terrific game where the
one in two Cleveland Browns go to Vegas to take
on the one and two Vegas Raiders, where the Raiders
are two point favorites. I'll start.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
Do you have to pick somebody in this game? Yeah?
I guess you do. Huh.

Speaker 6 (01:45:43):
Unfortunately, I don't think this team's very good. I don't
think either of those teams are very good. But I'll
go with the Browns, I guess in an alleged upset Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
I'm with you, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
This is a tough one. I don't remember what I
picked on PU. I'm gonna go with Las Vegas. I
feel like they're gonna be back and forth all your
life there at home. I'll get them to pull out
a victory.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
I agree that these are two teams that are struggling,
but I think Cleveland has a lot more talent. I'll
take the Browns.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
Sunday Night Football, This is a good matchup, at least
on paper, where the undefeated Buffalo Bills go to Baltimore
as Baltimore tries to dig out of an zero and
two hole they barely squeaked by in Dallas, like we
can held on the Ravens or two and a half
point favorites at home against the Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Paul, Yeah, I like Baltimore at home. I really love Buffalo.
You guys know that I've been mocking everybody. But you
can't just roll and win every game. It'll be a
tall order for them. I think that the physicality of
Baltimore I think will win out in this game tonight.
Looking forward to catching the second half when we get home.
Be another red zone. Ask performance for the postgame though match,

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so you get that to look forward. We'll watch over
over this game when we're doing the postgame, which is.

Speaker 6 (01:46:54):
But there's no red zone at that point.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Now that's the game. Okay, it's the same same, But
I'll take Baltimore deuce.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
It's nice because it will be only one game going
on and I can actually keep track of it on
like the supercomputer over there, who could probably run down
all the scoring of the hands only that should be
I think that should be Paul's job. I look, I
got a lot of respect for Baltimore. I just I
think the Buffalo Bills looked awesome last week. I think,
I just I believe in Josh Allen. Right now, I'm

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gonna go Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (01:47:22):
I am with you until somebody says otherwise, I am.
I think the Bills are in it to win it.
I like the Bills in that game. And then on
Monday Night Football. No Marine Corps helped me out here.
Aren't there two Monday Night games next week? We're just
picking one of them this week?

Speaker 12 (01:47:35):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
Okay, just wanted to check. Okay, just wanted to know.

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
We picked six games, No problem, love it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:42):
Monday Night Football another barn burner where the Dolphins minus
Tua the one or two Dolphins take on the oh
and three Tennessee Titans. O, Mike, you lead it off
Miami by one by one.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Yeah, that's a tough one.

Speaker 7 (01:47:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Titans on the road.
If it was still myke Rabel there, I'd definitely be
going Titans. But tough to pick.

Speaker 16 (01:48:03):
I'll go with Titans.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Paul, I'm gonna take Miami.

Speaker 6 (01:48:09):
We got this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
It's not Tim Boyle.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
Yeah, because that's exactly right. He knows me so well.
Tim Boyle not playing, so I will take I will
take Miami.

Speaker 6 (01:48:18):
I like Miami in a close game. I think that's
just a game Miami needs to win, so I like them.
Do we have to pick the Patriots now, Matt, we will,
all right, and last but not least half hour or
so until kickoff, with the Patriots take on the San
Francisco fundy nine ers a one to two Niners hosting
the Patriots. As Paul mentioned close to the top of
the show, this is the biggest line on the board

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this week with a Niners or ten and a half
point favorites.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Michael, I don't feel great about this one, guys. I'm
gonna take San Francisco. I'm gonna lay the points. I
just I think it's a really tall order for the Patriots.
I think that San Francisco is angry, They're gonna be humming.
Their offense is gonna be clicking now that it's got
some of their pieces back. Just a lot to ask
for the Patriots defense. And I just haven't seen enough

(01:49:03):
on the offense to believe that they can that they
can keep pace. We'll see, but right now I got
San Francisco twenty seven to ten.

Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
Paul, I see a similar kind of game. I think,
I said twenty seven to thirteen, thirty thirteen, something like that.
I just think bad spot. We talked about it a lot.
The Niners are going to have to come to play,
and it would be a tall order. A couple of
things working in the Patriots favor. I believe there's six
and one against the spread in the last seven games

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as an underdog, and you flip it around. The Niners
are one and six in similar in they last seven
games against the spread period, the last seven games period.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Waited nearly two hours to throw me with that information
information and good.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
They're not serious, really, But that's.

Speaker 6 (01:49:55):
Why I wait.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
That's why I wait hours to tell things that don't
really have any relevance on the game that's actually being
play today.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Right when we have ten minutes left, that's the time
all the trends, idiot, okay, trends.

Speaker 6 (01:50:05):
Do I have to pick a score? I'm not gonna
pick a score. And the other question I have is
can you win while losing? And I'd kind of like
to see that absolutely wishful thinking here. I'd like to
see a competitive, hard fought, back to basics, respectable game
by the Patriots. I don't think they're gonna win. I
don't think they're gonna cover whatever the number is, but
I'm hoping here in the postgame show, we're gonna have

(01:50:25):
a conversation that said that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:26):
Looks more like it that looks more like it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:29):
They got outclassed, they got roster outclassed because the rosters
aren't equitable. But let's see, let's see some fight. Let's
see that they can hang, you know, hold their heads
up when they get on the.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Plane, punch back, because you assume that San Francisco is
gonna punch them, and they're gonna punt a couple of times.
San Francisco is gonna punch, you know, having some counters.
I mean, I thought in the Seattle game that was,
you know, one of the things that it looked like,
all of a sudden, Seattle was just gonna roll, and
New England showed a little bit of fight. I mean,
obviously it didn't end up going their way down the end,
but I need to see some of that punch back.
As you said, Matt, I think maybe if we were,

(01:50:59):
if we were still given out the key for the
keys of the game, I think it might be yours today.

Speaker 6 (01:51:02):
Okay, very good. We got a few minutes left before
we sign off. Let's clear some of the phones in
the electronic meal and go to Matthew in New Mexico. Next, Matthew,
you're next on the Patriots pregames social uh fueled by Duncan. Hello, Matthew,
I think how's it going, guys?

Speaker 19 (01:51:17):
Real quick question.

Speaker 8 (01:51:19):
I'm watching the Colt games and I'm just asking you,
would you, guys rather have.

Speaker 12 (01:51:25):
Joe Flaco Jacoby? Would the team look a little different
or worse.

Speaker 4 (01:51:30):
Or no, the same? I would? I mean, you could
give me Joe Flacco instead of Jacoby Brissett. That's fine,
but it wouldn't look any different. Matter of fact, I
think it might look worse because I think Flacco would
have been sacked more often and had less ability to
evade some of the pressure that Brissett has had. But no,
I don't think it would have looked much different either way.

(01:51:51):
I mean, I think Indy now, Joe Flacco is a
far better NFL quarterback than Jacoby Brissett like career wise. Yeah,
but not right now.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
I think the indie indie line pretty pretty well respected
to and Patriots has too many too much turnover right now?

Speaker 9 (01:52:06):
All right, thank you very much, thanks Matthew.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
Yeah, I mean you could definitely there were a lot
of personally, well usually it goes the other way, like
last week when the guy yelled at me, But there
were a lot of different sort of journeyman type quarterbacks
that were available when they chose to go with Brissette,
and that's fine, but I just don't necessarily think Joe

(01:52:33):
Flacco would be one that I would have been overly
interested in bringing in.

Speaker 6 (01:52:37):
Okay Tamara Brown with an assist hockey assist at the least.
With some late breaking news from our own Evan Lazarre
reporting from Santa Clara, excuse me that he didn't see
Caden Wallace take any reps at left tackle in pregame
warm ups.

Speaker 4 (01:52:53):
It was all trade.

Speaker 6 (01:52:54):
Jacobs with the top unit lost, took a few reps
with the backup a line at right tackle, which would
lead to what we believe is that Wallace would be
your sub sixth offensive lineman when the play calls for that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
If that, If that so, yeah, good good info from
Evan and Tamara. It does seem like Trey Jacobs will
make the third starting left tackle for the Patriots and
four games.

Speaker 6 (01:53:18):
And again, we could sit here and have another two
hours on the four and four. We could, we could
have another two hour pre games. If you're starting Wallace,
if you're starting your fourth left tackle in four games,
that can't be what Scott Peters a v P and
Gerard Mayo.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
Were asking for.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
No, I mean, this is you know, okay, this is
Jacob is the guy you picked up three weeks ago.
It didn't spend camp with you, and you know it's
it's I mean, it's one thing to like start off
the year finit tackle, and then another that you get
a bunch of injuries at left tackle as well. So, uh,
they're up against it at that position. And it's unfortunate
because we spent so much time talking about it and
you hope that they could have, you know, stabilized it.

(01:53:59):
But there's no easy route draft the right guy. Maybe
the right guy gets hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
They just they they got to step up and the
guys who have been in there need to play better.
Those guys have to. You can't have all five of
the guys playing like it's their first time starting. You
need we have one guy who's gonna be starting for
the first time. You know, I guess Cityso is going
to be in there too for his first start. So
how does that left side of the line hold up?
How do those guys communicate? I mean last week I
said it at the top he saw Jordan and Wallace

(01:54:25):
having some trouble with the stunts. I don't even know
if San Francisco really needs to run the stunts. They've
got horses that can get home just straight up.

Speaker 6 (01:54:33):
Uh, we're winded down. Here are some electronic fail at
podcast at Patriots dot Com. I can't understand who this
person is, but he's saying, please stop the pick segments.
They're horrible, and I don't understand the point he says,
and I'm thinking it's a heat. I'd rather watch Paul
watch the red zone. So one vote for Paul watching
the red zone.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
Paup fuck you no more pick?

Speaker 12 (01:54:53):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:54:54):
Okay, this is Joe emailing from Weymouth. Yes, I want
to see Drake mayplay, but I want him to be
a long term success. He go, Paul. Whatever leads to
that goal is good for me. When he's ready and
the team is ready, Paul, it's another one for you.
Let's see him get some reps from now. We are
a super Bowl team, so develop and get better. That
is the push and pull through three games, knocking on

(01:55:16):
the door forth that I think permeates the organization at.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
This point in time. When is the time for him
to play and when will he play? Well, if you're
waiting for the team to be ready, when is that
going to be. It's not going to be this year?
Probably well, I mean, is there any guarantees that he
ever plays?

Speaker 14 (01:55:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:55:34):
Like that to me is completely irrelevant. Now, I can
be on board with patients and you want to make
sure he knows what he's doing and he's fully prepared mentally,
you know, game plan, all the kinds of stuff that
he's going to have to he's going to have to
understand and know and deal with. So I'm totally on

(01:55:56):
board with that. If they don't feel like he's ready
to do that, then do not put him out there
in a position and where he's not able to protect himself.
I don't mean physically, I mean mentally.

Speaker 6 (01:56:04):
So the rub is weirdest patience wind up letting him play.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
I just don't think that the rest of the roster
has anything to do with this. It's all about Drake
May in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
It's just at a certain point if he's not getting in,
it's either and maybe it could be both. It's a
reflection on Drake May's development. It's a reflection on you know,
are the coaches developed. I struggle to imagine a orl
where he doesn't play at all this year, and it's
a positive reflection on the coaching staff and the player.

Speaker 4 (01:56:28):
You know, it's unless like you got to get in there,
unless they just rip off, you know, ten wins in
the next you know, fifteen weeks or something. No, I'm
being serious, Like if something unforeseen happens and all of
a sudden you catch fire and you become a really
dangerous team and you start winning games by all means,
write it out, you know, have this because I think
there's a lot to be gained. You want to go ten,

(01:56:48):
you know, ten and seven or eleven and six. Yeah,
with Jacoby Brissett, I think there's a lot to be
gained by that, you know, for the culture in the
locker room, Drake May learns about what it's like to
sort of overcome it early adversity and find a way
to put that behind you and win games. Now you're
you're potentially putting Drake May into a much better, you know,

(01:57:10):
situation for the team.

Speaker 6 (01:57:12):
So DraftKings does a nice job of providing us numbers
for the over unders and everything like that. Here's a
little short term question I asked of the both of you,
maybe not just similar to what happened last week on
Thursday night at the Meadowlands, What are our chances of
seeing Drake may come in today in a potential mop
up role?

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
I mean on the is that on the table? Do
you think strong? Are quite strong?

Speaker 12 (01:57:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:57:33):
Of course, so you you're telling me you sort of
expect a little bit of that. You could see that happening.
I could see and he gets another crack at his
first step.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
I could see that happening.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm all for it. I mean, I
think those are opportunities, you know, little tidbits here and
there for him just to get his feet wet to
you know, just get the experience being on another stadium,
you know all those things. I love that he got
in against the Jets. Just that's a place he's gonna
have to play a lot. He's gonna have to win there, so,
you know, just to get his feet wet there, and
he's not going to be out to San Francisco a lot,
but this is an excellent defense. Would be great experience

(01:58:04):
and get him out there in chance there is a chanience.

Speaker 6 (01:58:07):
I promise, is that as We've heard a VP and
others talk about the plan. Is that part of the plan,
get him, get him a dozen.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
Or so reps you know in games. Yeah, no, that's
not no like that. But they're not like they're trying
to get him ready to be the start.

Speaker 6 (01:58:26):
I'm saying, if the if the game gets out of hand,
is that is this part of it to let him
get some action?

Speaker 15 (01:58:32):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
I think you such a game, I think, But I
think that's when you play your backup quarterback when the
game's out of hand. I don't think that's part of
the Drake May development process necessarily, you know what I mean? Yeah? Okay,
Like I think they want to get him ready to
be the starter, so not a part of the over
unders Mike, do we see Drake May play today?

Speaker 14 (01:58:51):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
Paul, do we see Drake May play today? I would
say yes. Three for three I agree. Well, we'll find out.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
As we're about twenty minutes from kick in Santa Clair,
where the one and two Patriots travel to take on
the one and two defending NFC champion San Francisco forty
nine ers tall. Task at hand. For sure, we'll be
back to wrap things all up and discuss and analyze,
and hear from you. Here from the coach, here from
the quarterback.

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