November 3, 2021 • 39 mins
Heidi Planck is last seen leaving her son's football game at halftime. When she doesn't pick up her son at school on her scheduled day, family and friends realize something is wrong. Her dog is found 12 miles away from her home in a residential high rise, roaming the halls, but there's no sight of the 38-year-old.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Jim Wayne - Victim's Ex-Husband
- Danielle Nadolny - Victim's Friend
- Darryl Cohen - Former Assistant District Attorney, Fulton County, Georgia, Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen, LLC, www.ccealaw.com
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, www.drbethanymarshall.com, New Netflix show: 'Bling Empire' (Beverly Hills)
- Lisa M. Dadio - Former Police Lieutenant, New Haven Police Department, Senior Lecturer, Director of the Center for Advanced Policing at the University of New Haven's Forensic Science Department
- Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker, LeadStories.com, Twitter: @swimmie2009
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young mom goes
to her son's ball game, but she leaves at halftime.
She's never seen again. Now as her apartment building video
surveillance seemingly reveals her leaving and going to the game
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with her little dog shilling behind. Then the dog is
found wandering alone. None of this is making any sense.
Where is Hidi? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? Just so
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you know, her little boy, the one that was playing
the game, will turn eleven tomorrow. Nobody wants their mom
missing on their birthday. First of all, take a listen
to this where are you? That was the last communication
Heidi Plank's ten year old son had with his mom
eleven days ago. I said, can you please call me back?
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You haven't called me back in two days in a row.
This is security tape, but with Mom from Palms with
her dog named seven, on her way to her son's
football game Sunday, October seventeenth. She's leaving her house, She's
got the dog following behind her, She's got a tiny
little purse under her arm, and she jumps into her
range rover and drives away. You were hearing our friends
(01:35):
at Kay cl nine. Can you imagine your child saying, Mom, Mom,
why won't you call me back? Mom? That is breaking
my heart again. Her little boy bond is Tanny turns
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eleven tomorrow, and I know his wish, his birthday wish
is find my mom. And that's exactly what we're going
to try and do with me an all star panel
to make sense of what we know right now about
the disappearance of Heidi Plank. You know there's movies and
true crime and books written about missing people all the time,
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summer true summer fiction. You never want your name to
fill in that blank, missing Mom, Heidi Plank. But that's
where the family is joining me. High profile lawyer joining
us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Daryl Cohen, former felony
prosecutor now civil and defense attorney. You can find him
(02:41):
at CCA l Law CCA law dot com. Psycho analysts
joining us out of the California jurisdiction. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
psycho analysts to the stars at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Lisa Daddy, a former police Looke tenant, Senior lecturer at
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the Center for Advanced Policing in New Haven, Alexis Terreschuk
joining US Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter and special
guests joining us. Jim Wayne, this is Heidi's ex husband.
They're on very good terms and he actually saw her
that day at the game and witnessed her leaving at halftime.
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He has the boy, he has the son right now
as he joins the search for Heidi and with me
her very best friend Danielle Nadalney, all of us joining
together right now in the search for this missing mom.
The circumstances, Alexis Terrestichu so bizarre. You just heard a
(03:47):
friend stating that the video shows her leaving her home.
The little dog is following along behind her, jumping up
and yapping, out of care in the world. She's got
a little pocketbook under her arm. She jumps at her
rain driver and heads off. I presume to her son's
football game that was on Sunday, and then not a trace.
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What do we know, Alexis, So, that's exactly right. She's
seen on videos. She leaves her house, she gets in
her car with her dogs. Who's such a foot dog.
She doesn't she's not even holding the leak, She's just
following her all by himself. She goes to her son's
football game in Downey, California, which is, you know, twenty
miles or so away. She ended up leaving the football
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game at halftime. Hold On, let me ask the ex
husband again, thank you for being with us because we
need your answers, Jim Wayne, would that mean normal for
her or she had errands or something she had to
do to come to part of the game. Well, first
of all, I want to say thank you for having
us and hosting this so maybe we can find and
helping us to find hide. It would be totally out
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of character for her to leave before the end of
the game. That that that's not that's just not her.
And can I say something else to please? Yes? You
know there's is gut wrenching and is as heartbreaking as
all this is. You know, there's there's no there's no
(05:20):
playbook for how to you know, what to do, what
to look for, how to act, And all we know
is we have to deal with the facts. And there's
been a lot of a lot of speculation and I'm
learning every day from the detective at the LAPD that's
(05:42):
been assigned to this, and he's like, Jim, you just
have to stay away from speculation. So I'm learning as
as we're going every day on this, and I'm going
to try and stick to the facts that we actually know. Wow,
I have you guys. Me is Jim Wayne. This is
Heidie's ex husband. They have a wonderful relationship. Just so
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you know. They co parent their little boy, Bond, who
is ten years old, turns eleven tomorrow. And he actually
saw her at Bond's football game the sunday she disappeared.
He's telling me it was very unusual for her to
leave at halftime, Alexis Terestric, I want to follow up
on that because your son, my twins, they have so
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much going on, and very often I will slide into
Lucy's volleyball game or John david soccer game at halftime.
I will get there halfway through. It doesn't happen a lot,
but it happens. So I don't find that very unusual
She had somewhere she had to go, except that that
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was unusual for her. She didn't normally do that, and
I find that very interesting, Alexis. And the interesting thing is,
so this was Sunday. On Wednesday, she was supposed to
pick her sign up from school, so three days now.
Normally every single day she texts him, she called them
winnies with his dad. Texts, calls, their constant communication. For
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these few days, there was no communication, and this is
so out of character for her. Okay, hold on right there,
let's go to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalysts joining us. She's
a star of a new Netflix hit, Bleeding Empire. Doctor
Bethany Marshall, thanks for taking time to be with us
and help us find Heidi. That's very important, and I'll
circle back with you. Daryl co and former prosecutor. About
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behavioral evidence, it's called routine evidence, not that it is
in any way routine or commonplace. It is evidence of behavior.
For instance, today my twins split. One has basketball practice,
one has a tutor, and I'm in constant contact with them,
getting them both, arranging everything, texting with them. That blame
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to me, doctor Bethany, why he didn't hear from mom
for two days, because that really blew my mind away.
But it's because dad took him home for the football
game as planned, so that was normal for him not
to see mom for two days. Now it's time for
her to pick him up and she's not texting. That's
very unlike her. If she always texts while he's with dad,
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that tells me she went missing on Sunday. That's right, Nancy.
We know that behavioral patterns are so important. I had
couples in my practice who break into a fight because
the husband came home like a half hour late, and
the breaking of the pattern was so distressing to the wife.
She thought if he dead, did he have an affair?
What else might have happened. So we human beings, we
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know the patterns of our loved ones, and we know
in those patterns break. Nancy, Heidi was the mother or
is the mother of a ten year old little boy
whose birthdate is tomorrow. Think about all the patterns that
go into that. Planning a birthday party, calling the friends,
asking her son, who do you want over on your birthday?
And it's all of that has ceased for three days
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on Sunday. It's important crime stories with Nancy Grace, I
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want to get input from Danielle and Dalney. Danielle, you
heard what we were talking about just before we went
to air. I'm making up scavenger hints for my twins
birthday tomorrow. At the end they're gonna get their present, which,
just so you know, I've stuffed broccoli fresh broccoli and
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some gift bags because I tell them they don't need
enough veggies. So that's the first present they're getting, Danielle.
They're not going to be happy about that. Point is
I've got a feeling that Heidi playing is the kind
of woman, the kind of mom that puts a lot
of thought into the birthday, and here it is she's gone.
That is not like her at all, Danielle. Now, now
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it's absolutely not like her. You know, she made a
big deal. She'd made a big deal of her son's birthday.
She would make a big deal of his friend's birthdays.
So for her to be absent right now is a
very very big deal, Danielle. Tell me something I want
to hear about Heidi. When you say, like everybody on
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this panel, I feel that I know and I can
tell you things about them personally that mean a lot
to me. Like I met Darryl Cohen when I was
a veteran, a Brandy prosecutor, and he was a veteran
prosecutor and everybody looked up to him, and I remember
seeing him for the first time and he had on
(10:55):
a pink sports coat, and I'd never seen a trial
lawyer were a pink sports coat. See, that's a long
time ago. And I could tell you details about everybody
on the staff, everybody on our panel, and all of
their wonderful professions. Tell me about her. You say she
makes a big deal about his Bond's birthday, Tell me
about it. Um, I mean she just would. It would
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be she would always either take him on a trip
or just I mean always just do something big, you know,
and even like do the same for his friends. So
I you know, she was just really really generous like that.
I'm and I wanted to make sure, you know, I mean,
even with her friends. For my birthday, she like I
(11:38):
went to Mexico. I was in Cabo, and she flew
down for like two days to just hang out and
have dinner. Wow, because she's back to pick up Bond
because it was going to be her day, and that
was all the time she had. You know, she really really,
I am. She flew all the way back from Cabo
because she had the day with Bond because yeah it
was Bond, it was her Okay, Yeah, that's all I
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need to know. This woman flies all the way back
from Cabbas and Lucas, which is a beautiful destination I've
been told because she did did not want to miss
one hour of her time with her son Bond. So
where is she as his birthday approaches in a couple
of hours. Take a listen to our cut three. This
is Stacy Butler k CL nine. Her ex husband says
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Plank left their son's football game at halftime. He says
she seemed distracted. In a bizarre turn, three hours later
in downtown La, her dog was found on the twenty
eighth floor of this apartment building. Her silver Range Rover,
her purse, her personal phone, and computer all gone. If
you have seen anything, anything at all. We have a
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ten year old boy at home that's looking for his mom,
and we need to find his mom. People don't just disappear.
Her friends say Plank was an attentive mother, and when
she didn't pick her son up at school later, they
were immediately concerned. When she didn't show up to pick
Bond up on Wednesday, we knew that something was wrong
and for him not to have heard from his mother
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for this long, something's seriously wrong. Let me understand something
to Jim Wayne up Bob's father, Jim, what is that
building where her range rover is found in relation to her?
The Wait a minute, the range rover wasn't found. Okay,
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I wasn't found. Okay, he's not found. See that's what
makes this whole thing, you know. Okay, you're right, because
her range rover, her purse, her personal phone, and a
computer all gone. Got it? So gone? Is all gone?
Is there any navigational information we could get from her
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range rover? That is? You know, the police are working
on that. Sometimes people turned those devices like cell phones, laptops,
all that kind of stuff. They turned their electronics. You know,
she even had an Apple Watch on and all that stuff.
Is the location is shut off. Now her GPS in
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the car apparently was according to ranger over, was never
even turned on. So then the only thing in this
building that traces back to her is the dog who's
found on the twenty eighth floor of this building. Correct, correct? Correct?
So again, what is this building as it relates to her?
We have no idea, no idea, Okay, Daryl Cohen, this
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sounds like a mystery that you would make a movie out.
The dog turns up. Danielle Nadalnie is a dog inside
the building. The dog was inside the building. Actually think
it was on the twenty ninth floor. But yeah, I
found the dog. Somebody that lives on that floor found
the dog. It wanted around the hall of from what
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we've been told. Okay, Daryl Cohen, you have her leaving
at halftime of her son's game. Now, this is a
mom who flies all the way back from Cabas Saint
Lucas so she won't miss one hour of being with
her son on her day. They have I guess a
fifty fifty split between mom and dad. She never misses
(15:23):
her days ever, so if she'll do that, But she
left halftime and then her dog turns up in a
residential building, or at least partially residential, on the twenty
eighth or twenty ninth floor, wandering around. Help me put
the pieces of the puzzle together, Daryl, you pardon me.
(15:44):
I don't know that we can put these pieces together.
At this point. Nothing makes sense. The fact that he
flew back from Cabo, say she's a wonderful mom. The
fact that she ended up not doing what she needed
to do. Did she leave that half time because something
terrible happened if you leave it have time because something unexplained, Well, obviously, Daryl,
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something unexplained happened. How the dog get there? What's the
connection between her and this building, if any at all?
How do I know the dog wasn't just let out
somewhere in that building and the building has no connection
to her? It can happen. As a matter of fact.
You know, we have a frequent high profile lawyer on
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a browner whose cat rides the elevator and the people
in the building let it. How do I know that
this isn't a pet friendly building and they let the
dog offer the lobby or the garage, and it somehow
ends up on the twenty eight floor with no connection
to her having ever been there. Nancy, hold it, go ahead,
jump in, Jim. If you understand this building, the building
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has at least four layers of security. Just to get
to your floor. It's the front door, getting by the
big guy who sits at the desk, getting through the
double doors that gets you to the elevator, and then
getting into the elevator. And you have to use your
key card in all these different places just to get
to your specific floor. Wow, So thank god, so Yeah.
(17:20):
Thankfully the building is being very cooperative with the LAPD
crime stories with Nancy Grace to Lisa Daddy, a former
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police lieutenant in Haven and now senior lecturer at the
Center for Advanced Policing in Haven. Lisa Daddio, do you
remember the seminal case that brought this to everyone's attention?
It was a Chandra Lee v. Case in DC the
intern and everyone believed that a politician condit had who
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had been having an affair with her, had somehow killed her,
and all these crazy theories began to mount online and
everywhere else. Turned out he didn't. But when we were
trying to find her, we found out in her high
rise in DC, the video in the elevators of the
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lobby would tape over after seventy two hours, so it
was all gone. We didn't know if she left to
go jogging, if she left with the person, if she
left with a friend, if a guy was following her
outside the building because it taped over. And then recently,
a beautiful young woman was murdered right in Piedmont Park,
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in the center of Piedmont Park, and we find out
the video cameras that you see all over the park
haven't been working since two thousand and eight teen, so
we got to jump on that video immediately find out
that if it exists, to make sure it doesn't get
taped over. Lisa. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. I mean, while it's
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great to have, there are all these nuances with it,
and we've seen it repeatedly in the cases that you
mentioned and even in the murder of Yale graduates doing
Anni La. Yes, you know, we have all these key
cards that are needed to get in. We have video
walking into the building, but there's no video on each tour.
There's no videos and hallways and you know, thankfully their
(19:34):
videos are preserved, but not everybody has it, and it
usually takes a violent crime. Yeah, you're right. I'm curious too.
Alexas Terres Schuck Crime online dot com investigative reporter has
that building which has no apparent connection to hide or
her dog. Have they released a video? Have police gotten
to look at the video? Does it show her coming
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in or out? The video? There is video, it has
not been released the public. It has been reported up
until now that the building was not cooperating, that they
were not going to release anything without a search warrant.
But Jim had said that they are being very cooperative,
So that's that is a different that's a change. Jerald
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Cohen that that's really not uncommon, although you'd think with
a missing mom they would hand it right over. But
they probably don't want to get sued by everybody else
in that building. And the video could show your mistress
coming in. Are you leaving the building with a big
plasma TV that doesn't belong to you. I mean, you
could get sued for any number of reasons for releasing
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that video. So very often you will see, like with
AT and T, with Verizon, with T Mobile was serious exam.
You have to give them a warrant for a lot
of different reasons, corporate reasons, and then they'll hand it over.
We had to do that all the time. Daryl, Well,
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they're going to finally cooperate. It's not Yes, they didn't
want to cooperate. You pointed it out beautifully. I don't
want to be foods to building. So I am going
to be forced by operation of law to cooperate. When
the press, when all of the media, social media regular
beating get the ball, then they're absolutely going to immediately
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you know what law shod forget it I'm not worried
about them. I've got to find yeah, I mean, Darryl,
how many times did you and or I go over
to AT and T to get landline records? And they
wanted to give it to us? But you gotta give
them the subpoena so they see ya. Nobody can sue
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them because they handed everything over. Pursue it to subpoena. Yes, no, absolutely.
They don't want to turn it over because they can't
turn it over. They want to turn it over, but
they can't because everybody, as you point out, is cya
and I don't want to be sued. And if we're food,
I don't want to be the one that makes us
love the cake, which makes no ya. Right now, they
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need to be pinging her cell phone that, according to
her very loving father of her son, Jim Wayne, is missing,
Her range over is missing, her pocketbook is missing. Where
is she? The cell phone needs to be triangulated to
possibly find out if it's active right now. The Apple
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Watch needs to be triangulated as well. If she was
carrying a laptop or an iPad or a mini everything
including her nav her navigational information off of her range
over all of that needs to be gotten and pronto.
She could still be found alive if that could be pinpointed.
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Take a listen to our cut number five from Katla five.
She left with her dog, and she just barked up
to us and said, I'm gonna go. We're getting further
and further away from finding Heidi. Her ex husband says
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later that Sunday, her dog was found on the twenty
eighth floor of a high rise apartment building in downtown
Los Angeles, but Heidi Plank and all other traces of
her were actually gone. People close to the missing mom
say they don't know of any connections she had with
anyone at that apartment building. A couple who lived there
held on to the dog for a week, unable to
get in touch with the owner. Heidi's ex husband eventually
(23:34):
tract a dog through its microchip. He also showed up
at the home here in mid City three days after
she disappeared and found a cell phone there. He's hoping
that cell phone will be a crucial part in this
investigation and help both the family and LAPD locate Heidi Plank. Okay,
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back to you, Jim Wayne. This is the father of
Heidi's son, Bond tell me about that cell phone. Her
cell phone, the cell phone. I went into her, her
house with Danielle and to look around. This was after
the police report was the missing person report was done.
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Danielle and I went into her house. I saw that
her phone was sitting there. Danielle brought it to me.
I think it was the next day she because I
was trying to get a hold of friends and family
for Heidi. So that's that's how I came in possession
of that. I also had to turn that over to
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the detectives at the LAPD so Heidi herself. That's where
I got that. You did find her cell phone, but
not at the building. It was back at her home.
At her home, yes, Okay, and Danielle, you were with
Gim when he found the cell phone. M I. She
actually had two phones, so she had a work phone
and she had a personal phone, the one that was
(25:00):
at the house. I believe it's the personal phone that
I ended up taking over to Jim. But I had
gone to her house. I'm prior. I think maybe Tuesday,
Monday or Tuesday. I'm because Bond text me and he's like,
my mom's not answering me. Have you heard from her,
and I said, no, you know, she didn't respond to
me yesterday, which I mean it was a little weird,
(25:22):
but not responding for twenty four hours is normal for me,
not for her. And so he asked me to go
to the house and chat. He says, I have a
key to the house. I'm so I went over there,
and I'm one of her phones were sitting on the
pitch encounter, which is the one that I ended up
taking over to Jim after the missing person's report was filed.
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I'm because he wanted to see if they could find
any clues in it. So the personal phone is the
one that you got from her home, correct, Sorry, Nancy
is Jim. We don't know if it's the personal or
the business. The police detectives have told me that was
her personal phone, according to Apple. Okay, well, I know,
(26:07):
all right, So have you was it on or cut off?
It was all her phone was on, but the location
services on those on her on her phones, the laptop
and her watch are all shut off. When were they
shut off? I'm sorry? When were they shut off? Location?
We don't know. We don't one of those another one
(26:30):
of those mysteries. We don't know, and if the police
do know, they haven't shared that with me. You know, les,
it's terres shuck. You can go into your phone and
go through all sorts of gyrations and cut off location services.
But why would she do that on all of her devices?
Was location service cut off when she went missing? So
(26:51):
now we have one phone and we're missing another phone?
Um gosh. So the police have searched her home to
warrant why because they couldn't ask her for consent. Take
a listen to our cut eight from casey AL nine.
Armed with a warrant and with guns drawn, federal investigators
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and robbery homicide detectives from the LAPD entered the home
of the thirty nine year old missing football mom. Now
they went in and a source tells me that they
were expecting to possibly find a dead body. That is
not the case. What they're after that remains the big question.
Some are wondering, speculating that if possibly what they're searching
(27:36):
for our any documents paperwork related to Heidi Plank's business.
Friends and family say Heidi Plank is working for a
company that is now under a federal investigation for possible
fraud charges. These federal investigators have searched high and low.
They're even looking in plants that we've seen them go
(27:56):
into the garbage searching for any clues as to why
this mom disappeared. Okay, now, wait a minute. Her company
was under investigation, not her. Take us an OURCA nine.
This is Christino Zalaz Fox eleven. A lot of the
people who know her say they're getting calls from the SEC.
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It seems that she was never involved in this, but
people she worked with out of a company nel Segundo,
were being investigated. It's a financial company, a financial advising company,
and they have been investigations because of misuse of funds. Now,
she was never investigated, she had nothing to do with it.
But one of the principles was sentenced in twenty twenty
(28:41):
to sometime in federal prison. That is what they're looking at. Okay,
if they per was sentenced in twenty twenty, how could
this possibly be related to Heidi. But it's an avenue
cops have to look at. To alex As Terrestria tell
me about the investigation of this busin her business that
(29:01):
she worked for, So it was her bosses. There are
two men that are in charge in this company. One
of them was sentenced. He was found guilty and sentenced
to one hundred and eighty nine months in jail, which
is over ten years. The second man was not found
(29:21):
was not criminally prosecuted. He is actually just being civilly
prosecuted because they want to recover the funds. So the
situation is is these men were accused of and this
one has been found guilty of stealing about forty million
dollars from a Native American tribe, and they are misused
this money. They used it to fund their own lifestyles,
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to pay off other debts, to start new businesses. So
what they're hoping to what the plan had been was
by suing her boss who was who was mister Sherman,
they would recover some of this forty million dollars so
they could give it back to the victims. Time Stories
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with Nancy Grace Wazheidi a witness. Could she somehow be
involved in testifying against a former boss that is now
being sued to the tune of forty million dollars. Danielle
Nadalney knows her better than anyone. Danielle, what was her
(30:34):
reaction to this investigation of her financial advising company? The
two guys she worked for. You know, I think that
this thing started I mean recently. I mean I don't
know that it was it was really at the forefront
of her mind recently. You know, it started years ago,
(30:54):
the investigation, so I believe it started years ago. So
it's not necessarily something that I think was a forefront
of her mind. I am Alexis terrest shut. Is the
SEC the ones that are investigating. Oh well, I can
tell you that Danielle and Dawney is absolutely correct, having
worked along with the SEC when I was at the FTEC.
(31:17):
It takes forever for a federal investigation of that magnitude,
or of any magnitude for the FEDS to go forward.
Oh my stars. The entire time I was at the FTC,
I investigated the same case as the whole time, the
whole number of years, either two or three years, and
(31:38):
very rarely do you get a movement. So Danielle's right,
that sounds like an investigation that had been started years before.
Do you really think, Jim Wayne, you're the father of
Heidi's son, do you think that has anything to do
with her disappearance? Here again we have this, you know,
the speculation and I don't want to speculate. I want
(32:02):
to deal with the facts. I'm really sorry, and I
know it. Okay, you know what, You're right good. Let
me ask you some factual questions. Was she ever named
as a defendant, not that I would know of, Okay.
Was she personally sued, not that I know of. Well.
She ever named as a witness either for the state
for a criminal prosecution, or is a civil witness and
(32:25):
the civil trial, not that I know of. Well. I
would say, based on that Daryl Cohen, that this has
nothing to do with her disappearance. I would think anything
could have something to do with her disappearance. We all
know our sterrible agreeing man from ours could have been
down and taken her. So that is possible. But is
it probable? The probability is that something came up. The
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probability now jumps in based on this criminal case, that
maybe she was a witness, maybe they want to keep
her big mouth shut civil, maybe they civil civil? Civil? Yeah, okay,
And I don't know anything about her having a quote
big mouth, because if she wasn't called as a witness
in the criminal case, I get st our x boss.
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I doubt that she is of any testimonial value. In
other words, she's not going to be called as a
witness in the civil case if she didn't testify in
the criminal case. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. Guys.
Take a listen to our cut number footwork, Nancy, I'm
sure you would. This is Stacy Butler case. Al nine.
Planks friends say the apartment building management has refused to
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allow them to look in the parking garage to see
if possibly your subs park there. They also say apartment
management won't share building security tape with police unless they
get a warrant. Planks friends and family suspect foul play.
It seems to us like everything stems from that building
where her dog was found. I think something has to
have happened to her to keep her away from her son.
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I reached out to the apartment building management, but I
didn't get a call back by deadline. The lad says
they are investigating this case. They're asking if you have
any information to please contact them. I tend to agree
back to Danielle, No, Dollney, this is Heidie's best friend.
There has to be a reason her dog, which we
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see in the video yapping and chasing along behind her
or as she heads off to her son's football game.
There has to be a reason that her dog ends
up in that building up on the twenty eighth or
twenty ninth floor. Interesting, Danielle, go with me. She did
not take the dog to the football game. What does
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this mean? This means she had to go back to
her place first before she went missing, to somehow get
connected to the dog. Would you agree with that, Danielle, Nancy,
I actually believe Jim can confirmed. I believe the dog
was with her at the football game. Okay, well you
just shot my theory. But I want to know that
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did she did she had the dog, Jim, because I
thought when she got in the car, the dog didn't
get in. No, yes, Nancy, she absolutely had the dog
with her. Okay, that changes things because if you think
it through to doctor Bethany Marshall, that cuts out a
trip back to her home. I was thinking that maybe
key because one of her phones was still at the home.
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I was wondering, did that indicate she went back to
the home. But the dog went with her to the
football game, so there was no stop at home, Nancy,
And that's so important. The question of did she go
back home. Was that the personal phone or the work phone,
because we don't know how tied she was to work,
but she was tied to her son, so the fact
that she would go anywhere without the personal phone is unlikely.
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But I want to bring up a different related subject,
and that is her relationships. Sixty percent of patients who
come to my office talk about nothing other than their relationships.
They don't talk about their work or business problems. They
talk about their children, their spouses, they're friends, the people
they're dating. What were the interweaving patterns of the relationships
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in Heidi's life. I think that's where we're going to
get the greatest clues. And was there an electronic pattern?
Was she dating somebody? Was she on social media? How
did she communicate with people? Did she have a love interest?
These questions not only are they important, but I'm sure
she communicated about them. And I know we have her
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best friend and husband on the show. I know you're
not going to communicate everything about your dating life too,
maybe a former husband, even if you're really good your
best friend. What about it? Danielle Na Dalney, was she
saying anyone not? At the time that she disappeared, she'd
been dating somebody on and off, you know, the last
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few years, and at that point it had been off
for about a month. Right, So they broke up one
month prior to her disappearance. I'm probably I mean probably
about a month. I know who did the breaking up?
Her or him, her, I believe. So she broke up
with him, And I'm not asking for his name, But
what does he do for a living? I'm I am
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not one hundred percent sure about that. Give me your
best guess. They've been dining for years. I know he does.
He works for like he works for Facebook or something interesting.
What I need is that video from that building. Okay,
Lisa Daddio final thoughts. I think the building is the
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key to a lot of this. So as much footage
as they can get, um, they have to come through it.
I want you to hear this. Our cut twelve from
Carlos Herrera Katie. Las Police also now concerned with this investigation.
Officers actually with the lap We're here last night serving
a search warrant at that home. The LAPD is missing moms,
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were missing persons. Rather, you need first handled the k
but is now shifted to the Robbery Homicide Division. Detectives
say that transition is not because of evidence of a
crime has been discovered, but because it is now considered
a high profile case. To Jim Wayne, what is your
message today? My message is we all need to stay
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away from speculation and we need to deal with the facts.
If Heidi is out there, we miss her. We want
her to come home. We need We've got a ten
year old boy that's looking for his mommy. Daniel, what's
your message? And you know my message is just that
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you know, if anybody's seen anything, if anybody has heard anything,
she has friends miss her. It's her son's birthday tomorrow.
I'm and we just want her home. Tip line two
one nine nine six eighteen hundred. Repeat two one three
nine ninety six eighteen hundred, Heidi, where are you? Nancy
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Grace's crime Story signing up Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young mom goes
to her son's ball game, but she leaves at halftime.
She's never seen again. Now as her apartment building video
surveillance seemingly reveals her leaving and going to the game
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with her little dog shilling behind. Then the dog is
found wandering alone. None of this is making any sense.
Where is Hidi? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? Just so
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you know, her little boy, the one that was playing
the game, will turn eleven tomorrow. Nobody wants their mom
missing on their birthday. First of all, take a listen
to this where are you? That was the last communication
Heidi Plank's ten year old son had with his mom
eleven days ago. I said, can you please call me back?
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You haven't called me back in two days in a row.
This is security tape, but with Mom from Palms with
her dog named seven, on her way to her son's
football game Sunday, October seventeenth. She's leaving her house, She's
got the dog following behind her, She's got a tiny
little purse under her arm, and she jumps into her
range rover and drives away. You were hearing our friends
(01:35):
at Kay cl nine. Can you imagine your child saying, Mom, Mom,
why won't you call me back? Mom? That is breaking
my heart again. Her little boy bond is Tanny turns
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eleven tomorrow, and I know his wish, his birthday wish
is find my mom. And that's exactly what we're going
to try and do with me an all star panel
to make sense of what we know right now about
the disappearance of Heidi Plank. You know there's movies and
true crime and books written about missing people all the time,
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summer true summer fiction. You never want your name to
fill in that blank, missing Mom, Heidi Plank. But that's
where the family is joining me. High profile lawyer joining
us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Daryl Cohen, former felony
prosecutor now civil and defense attorney. You can find him
(02:41):
at CCA l Law CCA law dot com. Psycho analysts
joining us out of the California jurisdiction. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
psycho analysts to the stars at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Lisa Daddy, a former police Looke tenant, Senior lecturer at
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the Center for Advanced Policing in New Haven, Alexis Terreschuk
joining US Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter and special
guests joining us. Jim Wayne, this is Heidi's ex husband.
They're on very good terms and he actually saw her
that day at the game and witnessed her leaving at halftime.
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He has the boy, he has the son right now
as he joins the search for Heidi and with me
her very best friend Danielle Nadalney, all of us joining
together right now in the search for this missing mom.
The circumstances, Alexis Terrestichu so bizarre. You just heard a
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friend stating that the video shows her leaving her home.
The little dog is following along behind her, jumping up
and yapping, out of care in the world. She's got
a little pocketbook under her arm. She jumps at her
rain driver and heads off. I presume to her son's
football game that was on Sunday, and then not a trace.
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What do we know, Alexis, So, that's exactly right. She's
seen on videos. She leaves her house, she gets in
her car with her dogs. Who's such a foot dog.
She doesn't she's not even holding the leak, She's just
following her all by himself. She goes to her son's
football game in Downey, California, which is, you know, twenty
miles or so away. She ended up leaving the football
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game at halftime. Hold On, let me ask the ex
husband again, thank you for being with us because we
need your answers, Jim Wayne, would that mean normal for
her or she had errands or something she had to
do to come to part of the game. Well, first
of all, I want to say thank you for having
us and hosting this so maybe we can find and
helping us to find hide. It would be totally out
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of character for her to leave before the end of
the game. That that that's not that's just not her.
And can I say something else to please? Yes? You
know there's is gut wrenching and is as heartbreaking as
all this is. You know, there's there's no there's no
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playbook for how to you know, what to do, what
to look for, how to act, And all we know
is we have to deal with the facts. And there's
been a lot of a lot of speculation and I'm
learning every day from the detective at the LAPD that's
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been assigned to this, and he's like, Jim, you just
have to stay away from speculation. So I'm learning as
as we're going every day on this, and I'm going
to try and stick to the facts that we actually know. Wow,
I have you guys. Me is Jim Wayne. This is
Heidie's ex husband. They have a wonderful relationship. Just so
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you know. They co parent their little boy, Bond, who
is ten years old, turns eleven tomorrow. And he actually
saw her at Bond's football game the sunday she disappeared.
He's telling me it was very unusual for her to
leave at halftime, Alexis Terestric, I want to follow up
on that because your son, my twins, they have so
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much going on, and very often I will slide into
Lucy's volleyball game or John david soccer game at halftime.
I will get there halfway through. It doesn't happen a lot,
but it happens. So I don't find that very unusual
She had somewhere she had to go, except that that
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was unusual for her. She didn't normally do that, and
I find that very interesting, Alexis. And the interesting thing is,
so this was Sunday. On Wednesday, she was supposed to
pick her sign up from school, so three days now.
Normally every single day she texts him, she called them
winnies with his dad. Texts, calls, their constant communication. For
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these few days, there was no communication, and this is
so out of character for her. Okay, hold on right there,
let's go to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalysts joining us. She's
a star of a new Netflix hit, Bleeding Empire. Doctor
Bethany Marshall, thanks for taking time to be with us
and help us find Heidi. That's very important, and I'll
circle back with you. Daryl co and former prosecutor. About
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behavioral evidence, it's called routine evidence, not that it is
in any way routine or commonplace. It is evidence of behavior.
For instance, today my twins split. One has basketball practice,
one has a tutor, and I'm in constant contact with them,
getting them both, arranging everything, texting with them. That blame
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to me, doctor Bethany, why he didn't hear from mom
for two days, because that really blew my mind away.
But it's because dad took him home for the football
game as planned, so that was normal for him not
to see mom for two days. Now it's time for
her to pick him up and she's not texting. That's
very unlike her. If she always texts while he's with dad,
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that tells me she went missing on Sunday. That's right, Nancy.
We know that behavioral patterns are so important. I had
couples in my practice who break into a fight because
the husband came home like a half hour late, and
the breaking of the pattern was so distressing to the wife.
She thought if he dead, did he have an affair?
What else might have happened. So we human beings, we
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know the patterns of our loved ones, and we know
in those patterns break. Nancy, Heidi was the mother or
is the mother of a ten year old little boy
whose birthdate is tomorrow. Think about all the patterns that
go into that. Planning a birthday party, calling the friends,
asking her son, who do you want over on your birthday?
And it's all of that has ceased for three days
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on Sunday. It's important crime stories with Nancy Grace, I
(09:33):
want to get input from Danielle and Dalney. Danielle, you
heard what we were talking about just before we went
to air. I'm making up scavenger hints for my twins
birthday tomorrow. At the end they're gonna get their present, which,
just so you know, I've stuffed broccoli fresh broccoli and
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some gift bags because I tell them they don't need
enough veggies. So that's the first present they're getting, Danielle.
They're not going to be happy about that. Point is
I've got a feeling that Heidi playing is the kind
of woman, the kind of mom that puts a lot
of thought into the birthday, and here it is she's gone.
That is not like her at all, Danielle. Now, now
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it's absolutely not like her. You know, she made a
big deal. She'd made a big deal of her son's birthday.
She would make a big deal of his friend's birthdays.
So for her to be absent right now is a
very very big deal, Danielle. Tell me something I want
to hear about Heidi. When you say, like everybody on
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this panel, I feel that I know and I can
tell you things about them personally that mean a lot
to me. Like I met Darryl Cohen when I was
a veteran, a Brandy prosecutor, and he was a veteran
prosecutor and everybody looked up to him, and I remember
seeing him for the first time and he had on
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a pink sports coat, and I'd never seen a trial
lawyer were a pink sports coat. See, that's a long
time ago. And I could tell you details about everybody
on the staff, everybody on our panel, and all of
their wonderful professions. Tell me about her. You say she
makes a big deal about his Bond's birthday, Tell me
about it. Um, I mean she just would. It would
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be she would always either take him on a trip
or just I mean always just do something big, you know,
and even like do the same for his friends. So
I you know, she was just really really generous like that.
I'm and I wanted to make sure, you know, I mean,
even with her friends. For my birthday, she like I
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went to Mexico. I was in Cabo, and she flew
down for like two days to just hang out and
have dinner. Wow, because she's back to pick up Bond
because it was going to be her day, and that
was all the time she had. You know, she really really,
I am. She flew all the way back from Cabo
because she had the day with Bond because yeah it
was Bond, it was her Okay, Yeah, that's all I
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need to know. This woman flies all the way back
from Cabbas and Lucas, which is a beautiful destination I've
been told because she did did not want to miss
one hour of her time with her son Bond. So
where is she as his birthday approaches in a couple
of hours. Take a listen to our cut three. This
is Stacy Butler k CL nine. Her ex husband says
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Plank left their son's football game at halftime. He says
she seemed distracted. In a bizarre turn, three hours later
in downtown La, her dog was found on the twenty
eighth floor of this apartment building. Her silver Range Rover,
her purse, her personal phone, and computer all gone. If
you have seen anything, anything at all. We have a
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ten year old boy at home that's looking for his mom,
and we need to find his mom. People don't just disappear.
Her friends say Plank was an attentive mother, and when
she didn't pick her son up at school later, they
were immediately concerned. When she didn't show up to pick
Bond up on Wednesday, we knew that something was wrong
and for him not to have heard from his mother
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for this long, something's seriously wrong. Let me understand something
to Jim Wayne up Bob's father, Jim, what is that
building where her range rover is found in relation to her?
The Wait a minute, the range rover wasn't found. Okay,
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I wasn't found. Okay, he's not found. See that's what
makes this whole thing, you know. Okay, you're right, because
her range rover, her purse, her personal phone, and a
computer all gone. Got it? So gone? Is all gone?
Is there any navigational information we could get from her
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range rover? That is? You know, the police are working
on that. Sometimes people turned those devices like cell phones, laptops,
all that kind of stuff. They turned their electronics. You know,
she even had an Apple Watch on and all that stuff.
Is the location is shut off. Now her GPS in
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the car apparently was according to ranger over, was never
even turned on. So then the only thing in this
building that traces back to her is the dog who's
found on the twenty eighth floor of this building. Correct, correct? Correct?
So again, what is this building as it relates to her?
We have no idea, no idea, Okay, Daryl Cohen, this
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sounds like a mystery that you would make a movie out.
The dog turns up. Danielle Nadalnie is a dog inside
the building. The dog was inside the building. Actually think
it was on the twenty ninth floor. But yeah, I
found the dog. Somebody that lives on that floor found
the dog. It wanted around the hall of from what
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we've been told. Okay, Daryl Cohen, you have her leaving
at halftime of her son's game. Now, this is a
mom who flies all the way back from Cabas Saint
Lucas so she won't miss one hour of being with
her son on her day. They have I guess a
fifty fifty split between mom and dad. She never misses
(15:23):
her days ever, so if she'll do that, But she
left halftime and then her dog turns up in a
residential building, or at least partially residential, on the twenty
eighth or twenty ninth floor, wandering around. Help me put
the pieces of the puzzle together, Daryl, you pardon me.
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I don't know that we can put these pieces together.
At this point. Nothing makes sense. The fact that he
flew back from Cabo, say she's a wonderful mom. The
fact that she ended up not doing what she needed
to do. Did she leave that half time because something
terrible happened if you leave it have time because something unexplained, Well, obviously, Daryl,
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something unexplained happened. How the dog get there? What's the
connection between her and this building, if any at all?
How do I know the dog wasn't just let out
somewhere in that building and the building has no connection
to her? It can happen. As a matter of fact.
You know, we have a frequent high profile lawyer on
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a browner whose cat rides the elevator and the people
in the building let it. How do I know that
this isn't a pet friendly building and they let the
dog offer the lobby or the garage, and it somehow
ends up on the twenty eight floor with no connection
to her having ever been there. Nancy, hold it, go ahead,
jump in, Jim. If you understand this building, the building
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has at least four layers of security. Just to get
to your floor. It's the front door, getting by the
big guy who sits at the desk, getting through the
double doors that gets you to the elevator, and then
getting into the elevator. And you have to use your
key card in all these different places just to get
to your specific floor. Wow, So thank god, so Yeah.
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Thankfully the building is being very cooperative with the LAPD
crime stories with Nancy Grace to Lisa Daddy, a former
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police lieutenant in Haven and now senior lecturer at the
Center for Advanced Policing in Haven. Lisa Daddio, do you
remember the seminal case that brought this to everyone's attention?
It was a Chandra Lee v. Case in DC the
intern and everyone believed that a politician condit had who
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had been having an affair with her, had somehow killed her,
and all these crazy theories began to mount online and
everywhere else. Turned out he didn't. But when we were
trying to find her, we found out in her high
rise in DC, the video in the elevators of the
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lobby would tape over after seventy two hours, so it
was all gone. We didn't know if she left to
go jogging, if she left with the person, if she
left with a friend, if a guy was following her
outside the building because it taped over. And then recently,
a beautiful young woman was murdered right in Piedmont Park,
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in the center of Piedmont Park, and we find out
the video cameras that you see all over the park
haven't been working since two thousand and eight teen, so
we got to jump on that video immediately find out
that if it exists, to make sure it doesn't get
taped over. Lisa. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. I mean, while it's
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great to have, there are all these nuances with it,
and we've seen it repeatedly in the cases that you
mentioned and even in the murder of Yale graduates doing
Anni La. Yes, you know, we have all these key
cards that are needed to get in. We have video
walking into the building, but there's no video on each tour.
There's no videos and hallways and you know, thankfully their
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videos are preserved, but not everybody has it, and it
usually takes a violent crime. Yeah, you're right. I'm curious too.
Alexas Terres Schuck Crime online dot com investigative reporter has
that building which has no apparent connection to hide or
her dog. Have they released a video? Have police gotten
to look at the video? Does it show her coming
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in or out? The video? There is video, it has
not been released the public. It has been reported up
until now that the building was not cooperating, that they
were not going to release anything without a search warrant.
But Jim had said that they are being very cooperative,
So that's that is a different that's a change. Jerald
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Cohen that that's really not uncommon, although you'd think with
a missing mom they would hand it right over. But
they probably don't want to get sued by everybody else
in that building. And the video could show your mistress
coming in. Are you leaving the building with a big
plasma TV that doesn't belong to you. I mean, you
could get sued for any number of reasons for releasing
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that video. So very often you will see, like with
AT and T, with Verizon, with T Mobile was serious exam.
You have to give them a warrant for a lot
of different reasons, corporate reasons, and then they'll hand it over.
We had to do that all the time. Daryl, Well,
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they're going to finally cooperate. It's not Yes, they didn't
want to cooperate. You pointed it out beautifully. I don't
want to be foods to building. So I am going
to be forced by operation of law to cooperate. When
the press, when all of the media, social media regular
beating get the ball, then they're absolutely going to immediately
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you know what law shod forget it I'm not worried
about them. I've got to find yeah, I mean, Darryl,
how many times did you and or I go over
to AT and T to get landline records? And they
wanted to give it to us? But you gotta give
them the subpoena so they see ya. Nobody can sue
(21:44):
them because they handed everything over. Pursue it to subpoena. Yes, no, absolutely.
They don't want to turn it over because they can't
turn it over. They want to turn it over, but
they can't because everybody, as you point out, is cya
and I don't want to be sued. And if we're food,
I don't want to be the one that makes us
love the cake, which makes no ya. Right now, they
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need to be pinging her cell phone that, according to
her very loving father of her son, Jim Wayne, is missing,
Her range over is missing, her pocketbook is missing. Where
is she? The cell phone needs to be triangulated to
possibly find out if it's active right now. The Apple
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Watch needs to be triangulated as well. If she was
carrying a laptop or an iPad or a mini everything
including her nav her navigational information off of her range
over all of that needs to be gotten and pronto.
She could still be found alive if that could be pinpointed.
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Take a listen to our cut number five from Katla five.
She left with her dog, and she just barked up
to us and said, I'm gonna go. We're getting further
and further away from finding Heidi. Her ex husband says
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later that Sunday, her dog was found on the twenty
eighth floor of a high rise apartment building in downtown
Los Angeles, but Heidi Plank and all other traces of
her were actually gone. People close to the missing mom
say they don't know of any connections she had with
anyone at that apartment building. A couple who lived there
held on to the dog for a week, unable to
get in touch with the owner. Heidi's ex husband eventually
(23:34):
tract a dog through its microchip. He also showed up
at the home here in mid City three days after
she disappeared and found a cell phone there. He's hoping
that cell phone will be a crucial part in this
investigation and help both the family and LAPD locate Heidi Plank. Okay,
(23:54):
back to you, Jim Wayne. This is the father of
Heidi's son, Bond tell me about that cell phone. Her
cell phone, the cell phone. I went into her, her
house with Danielle and to look around. This was after
the police report was the missing person report was done.
(24:16):
Danielle and I went into her house. I saw that
her phone was sitting there. Danielle brought it to me.
I think it was the next day she because I
was trying to get a hold of friends and family
for Heidi. So that's that's how I came in possession
of that. I also had to turn that over to
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the detectives at the LAPD so Heidi herself. That's where
I got that. You did find her cell phone, but
not at the building. It was back at her home.
At her home, yes, Okay, and Danielle, you were with
Gim when he found the cell phone. M I. She
actually had two phones, so she had a work phone
and she had a personal phone, the one that was
(25:00):
at the house. I believe it's the personal phone that
I ended up taking over to Jim. But I had
gone to her house. I'm prior. I think maybe Tuesday,
Monday or Tuesday. I'm because Bond text me and he's like,
my mom's not answering me. Have you heard from her,
and I said, no, you know, she didn't respond to
me yesterday, which I mean it was a little weird,
(25:22):
but not responding for twenty four hours is normal for me,
not for her. And so he asked me to go
to the house and chat. He says, I have a
key to the house. I'm so I went over there,
and I'm one of her phones were sitting on the
pitch encounter, which is the one that I ended up
taking over to Jim after the missing person's report was filed.
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I'm because he wanted to see if they could find
any clues in it. So the personal phone is the
one that you got from her home, correct, Sorry, Nancy
is Jim. We don't know if it's the personal or
the business. The police detectives have told me that was
her personal phone, according to Apple. Okay, well, I know,
(26:07):
all right, So have you was it on or cut off?
It was all her phone was on, but the location
services on those on her on her phones, the laptop
and her watch are all shut off. When were they
shut off? I'm sorry? When were they shut off? Location?
We don't know. We don't one of those another one
(26:30):
of those mysteries. We don't know, and if the police
do know, they haven't shared that with me. You know, les,
it's terres shuck. You can go into your phone and
go through all sorts of gyrations and cut off location services.
But why would she do that on all of her devices?
Was location service cut off when she went missing? So
(26:51):
now we have one phone and we're missing another phone?
Um gosh. So the police have searched her home to
warrant why because they couldn't ask her for consent. Take
a listen to our cut eight from casey AL nine.
Armed with a warrant and with guns drawn, federal investigators
(27:13):
and robbery homicide detectives from the LAPD entered the home
of the thirty nine year old missing football mom. Now
they went in and a source tells me that they
were expecting to possibly find a dead body. That is
not the case. What they're after that remains the big question.
Some are wondering, speculating that if possibly what they're searching
(27:36):
for our any documents paperwork related to Heidi Plank's business.
Friends and family say Heidi Plank is working for a
company that is now under a federal investigation for possible
fraud charges. These federal investigators have searched high and low.
They're even looking in plants that we've seen them go
(27:56):
into the garbage searching for any clues as to why
this mom disappeared. Okay, now, wait a minute. Her company
was under investigation, not her. Take us an OURCA nine.
This is Christino Zalaz Fox eleven. A lot of the
people who know her say they're getting calls from the SEC.
(28:19):
It seems that she was never involved in this, but
people she worked with out of a company nel Segundo,
were being investigated. It's a financial company, a financial advising company,
and they have been investigations because of misuse of funds. Now,
she was never investigated, she had nothing to do with it.
But one of the principles was sentenced in twenty twenty
(28:41):
to sometime in federal prison. That is what they're looking at. Okay,
if they per was sentenced in twenty twenty, how could
this possibly be related to Heidi. But it's an avenue
cops have to look at. To alex As Terrestria tell
me about the investigation of this busin her business that
(29:01):
she worked for, So it was her bosses. There are
two men that are in charge in this company. One
of them was sentenced. He was found guilty and sentenced
to one hundred and eighty nine months in jail, which
is over ten years. The second man was not found
(29:21):
was not criminally prosecuted. He is actually just being civilly
prosecuted because they want to recover the funds. So the
situation is is these men were accused of and this
one has been found guilty of stealing about forty million
dollars from a Native American tribe, and they are misused
this money. They used it to fund their own lifestyles,
(29:42):
to pay off other debts, to start new businesses. So
what they're hoping to what the plan had been was
by suing her boss who was who was mister Sherman,
they would recover some of this forty million dollars so
they could give it back to the victims. Time Stories
(30:11):
with Nancy Grace Wazheidi a witness. Could she somehow be
involved in testifying against a former boss that is now
being sued to the tune of forty million dollars. Danielle
Nadalney knows her better than anyone. Danielle, what was her
(30:34):
reaction to this investigation of her financial advising company? The
two guys she worked for. You know, I think that
this thing started I mean recently. I mean I don't
know that it was it was really at the forefront
of her mind recently. You know, it started years ago,
(30:54):
the investigation, so I believe it started years ago. So
it's not necessarily something that I think was a forefront
of her mind. I am Alexis terrest shut. Is the
SEC the ones that are investigating. Oh well, I can
tell you that Danielle and Dawney is absolutely correct, having
worked along with the SEC when I was at the FTEC.
(31:17):
It takes forever for a federal investigation of that magnitude,
or of any magnitude for the FEDS to go forward.
Oh my stars. The entire time I was at the FTC,
I investigated the same case as the whole time, the
whole number of years, either two or three years, and
(31:38):
very rarely do you get a movement. So Danielle's right,
that sounds like an investigation that had been started years before.
Do you really think, Jim Wayne, you're the father of
Heidi's son, do you think that has anything to do
with her disappearance? Here again we have this, you know,
the speculation and I don't want to speculate. I want
(32:02):
to deal with the facts. I'm really sorry, and I
know it. Okay, you know what, You're right good. Let
me ask you some factual questions. Was she ever named
as a defendant, not that I would know of, Okay.
Was she personally sued, not that I know of. Well.
She ever named as a witness either for the state
for a criminal prosecution, or is a civil witness and
(32:25):
the civil trial, not that I know of. Well. I
would say, based on that Daryl Cohen, that this has
nothing to do with her disappearance. I would think anything
could have something to do with her disappearance. We all
know our sterrible agreeing man from ours could have been
down and taken her. So that is possible. But is
it probable? The probability is that something came up. The
(32:49):
probability now jumps in based on this criminal case, that
maybe she was a witness, maybe they want to keep
her big mouth shut civil, maybe they civil civil? Civil? Yeah, okay,
And I don't know anything about her having a quote
big mouth, because if she wasn't called as a witness
in the criminal case, I get st our x boss.
(33:11):
I doubt that she is of any testimonial value. In
other words, she's not going to be called as a
witness in the civil case if she didn't testify in
the criminal case. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. Guys.
Take a listen to our cut number footwork, Nancy, I'm
sure you would. This is Stacy Butler case. Al nine.
Planks friends say the apartment building management has refused to
(33:32):
allow them to look in the parking garage to see
if possibly your subs park there. They also say apartment
management won't share building security tape with police unless they
get a warrant. Planks friends and family suspect foul play.
It seems to us like everything stems from that building
where her dog was found. I think something has to
have happened to her to keep her away from her son.
(33:55):
I reached out to the apartment building management, but I
didn't get a call back by deadline. The lad says
they are investigating this case. They're asking if you have
any information to please contact them. I tend to agree
back to Danielle, No, Dollney, this is Heidie's best friend.
There has to be a reason her dog, which we
(34:16):
see in the video yapping and chasing along behind her
or as she heads off to her son's football game.
There has to be a reason that her dog ends
up in that building up on the twenty eighth or
twenty ninth floor. Interesting, Danielle, go with me. She did
not take the dog to the football game. What does
(34:38):
this mean? This means she had to go back to
her place first before she went missing, to somehow get
connected to the dog. Would you agree with that, Danielle, Nancy,
I actually believe Jim can confirmed. I believe the dog
was with her at the football game. Okay, well you
just shot my theory. But I want to know that
(34:59):
did she did she had the dog, Jim, because I
thought when she got in the car, the dog didn't
get in. No, yes, Nancy, she absolutely had the dog
with her. Okay, that changes things because if you think
it through to doctor Bethany Marshall, that cuts out a
trip back to her home. I was thinking that maybe
key because one of her phones was still at the home.
(35:20):
I was wondering, did that indicate she went back to
the home. But the dog went with her to the
football game, so there was no stop at home, Nancy,
And that's so important. The question of did she go
back home. Was that the personal phone or the work phone,
because we don't know how tied she was to work,
but she was tied to her son, so the fact
that she would go anywhere without the personal phone is unlikely.
(35:42):
But I want to bring up a different related subject,
and that is her relationships. Sixty percent of patients who
come to my office talk about nothing other than their relationships.
They don't talk about their work or business problems. They
talk about their children, their spouses, they're friends, the people
they're dating. What were the interweaving patterns of the relationships
(36:07):
in Heidi's life. I think that's where we're going to
get the greatest clues. And was there an electronic pattern?
Was she dating somebody? Was she on social media? How
did she communicate with people? Did she have a love interest?
These questions not only are they important, but I'm sure
she communicated about them. And I know we have her
(36:27):
best friend and husband on the show. I know you're
not going to communicate everything about your dating life too,
maybe a former husband, even if you're really good your
best friend. What about it? Danielle Na Dalney, was she
saying anyone not? At the time that she disappeared, she'd
been dating somebody on and off, you know, the last
(36:48):
few years, and at that point it had been off
for about a month. Right, So they broke up one
month prior to her disappearance. I'm probably I mean probably
about a month. I know who did the breaking up?
Her or him, her, I believe. So she broke up
with him, And I'm not asking for his name, But
what does he do for a living? I'm I am
(37:09):
not one hundred percent sure about that. Give me your
best guess. They've been dining for years. I know he does.
He works for like he works for Facebook or something interesting.
What I need is that video from that building. Okay,
Lisa Daddio final thoughts. I think the building is the
(37:33):
key to a lot of this. So as much footage
as they can get, um, they have to come through it.
I want you to hear this. Our cut twelve from
Carlos Herrera Katie. Las Police also now concerned with this investigation.
Officers actually with the lap We're here last night serving
a search warrant at that home. The LAPD is missing moms,
(37:56):
were missing persons. Rather, you need first handled the k
but is now shifted to the Robbery Homicide Division. Detectives
say that transition is not because of evidence of a
crime has been discovered, but because it is now considered
a high profile case. To Jim Wayne, what is your
message today? My message is we all need to stay
(38:21):
away from speculation and we need to deal with the facts.
If Heidi is out there, we miss her. We want
her to come home. We need We've got a ten
year old boy that's looking for his mommy. Daniel, what's
your message? And you know my message is just that
(38:43):
you know, if anybody's seen anything, if anybody has heard anything,
she has friends miss her. It's her son's birthday tomorrow.
I'm and we just want her home. Tip line two
one nine nine six eighteen hundred. Repeat two one three
nine ninety six eighteen hundred, Heidi, where are you? Nancy
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Grace's crime Story signing up Goodbye friend,
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